Why we need at LEAST Duels in game...

[OrdoAbCh]

I'm currently a level 45 Warlock and 44 Woodworker. I enjoy the game, but lately it seems one of 3 things are happening. (with myself included) People at my level are finding it very hard to get groups so they either roll and alt (I have 4 20+ alts). B: Log out of the game and play WoW ( I bought the game this week and have two toons to play when there is nothing going on in EQ) C: Quitting EQ2 altogether. The truth is, there really isn't a whole lot to do until either half the server reaches it's 50's and can all group epic mobs together, my guild reaches all 50's to camp epics, an expansion comes out, OR PVP enters the game. There just isn't anything to keep high levels on their toons right now. The only thing I can do is craft items to sell and watch my sales alt make me money while I play WoW. With PVP duels or an arena, at least there is a constantly evolving end game for those of us too high level to do much else without a team of others. Just my thoughts, but not having PVP of any kind in this game is going to cause EQ2 to eventually lose a great deal of people (YES, even those who currently say they don't want PVP) to other games. The fact is, most people who say they don't want PVP are saying they don't want to get ganked openly while soloing or harvesting, however, if there was an arena, or the ability to duel people, these same people WILL take part in the high end game. PVP will give a reason for high levels to stay logged in with their toons. Thanks for reading.

[Drulak]

i hear your pain , but is PvsP gonna fix it ?

for people who do not want any form of PvP bur will be in the same boat as you i do not think being able to duel will quell their angst - maybe a better solution is to increase solo content in the high end game - that way all 40+ who cannot get groups can still do things that would otherwise have them tearing out chunks of hair . - just a thought.

[Miral]

hell in the 20s i find it very hard to find a group... but pvp isnt the answer, that will just take more people out of the grouping scene and leave the pvm people stranded

[Ibis]

Grounds of Fate - Qeynos Harbor (Status: Currently Closed). Looking forward to some form of arena combat one day, but thats all I want.  I don't want a PvP server to happen.  The idea that PvP has to be considered in balance with the PvE environment sucks.  Put tons of special rules in arenas for differing forms of combat so you can tweak PvE changes within to make it fun and leave it at that. And, as usual, this is the wrong forum.

Message Edited by Ibishi on 04-06-2005 12:34 PM

[shtychk]

Yeah i really realyl want PvP in an Arena Setting... But as it stands now there are thing that have to be fix in the PvE game before they start on PvE...  & there is a LOT of tweaking needed for PvP....  However, I hope the go the Shadowbane route for PvP & dont owrry about makeing each class able to fight the others but make it designed around group vs group....

[Aumele]

The problem that will arise from this is balancing issues. For now, at least, they want to concentrate on getting the PvE aspect right. However, it probably will never be 100% right. They need to put 100% effort in the continuing effort in making new quests, fixing bugs, adding content, tweaks, etc. If they were to add PvP then soon there will be the complaints that XXXX-Class is overpowering vs. XXXX-Class. Or "XXXX-Class's spell cann't be resisted, it's no fair...fix it please!" Then they will now have to use resources in fixing that; resources that could be used for the main apart of the game.

[Dolf Goodchee]

Why not just play one of your alts until those in your guild catch up to be able to group?

[Axhine]

I would love to see them bring duels back at least.  I /feedback this all the time.

 

~ Ax ~ 40 Guardian 50 Armorer

[jeta]

I agree with this post. Although it is too early for a PvP system including guild battles or free for all PvPing, we should get duelling ASAP. The game is far too unbalanced yet for anything larger than duelling or arena battles. Duelling and arena fights are one of the best way to find out the effectiveness of certain classes over one another, and will lead to more successful balancing of powers. I say hold off on large PvP ideas, and first work on Duels/Arena Fights.

[Pidgeon]

Good vs Evil PvP.

[jeta]

As much as we want Good Vs Evil PVP, it must be held back a bit in my opinion. We need duelling and arenas to balance out the classes against eachother first. Once duelling/arenas are put in, soon after a good PvP system should be implemented

[Pheeb]

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jetau8 wrote:As much as we want Good Vs Evil PVP, it must be held back a bit in my opinion. We need duelling and arenas to balance out the classes against eachother first. Once duelling/arenas are put in, soon after a good PvP system should be implemented

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What he/she said ^^^^^^^^^^

[Big Da]

Watch out when you mention PvP there are a lot of anti-pvp trolls around! You may get caught up in an endless debate. Just take a look at the expansion ideas boards.

[Namil]

PvP should be and would most likely be Optional. Meaning the people that dont like it dont have to do it.

[GraymaneGravitic]

That usually isn't sufficient to placate the rabid anti-PVP crowd on these boards.

 

They will get upset at even having to deal with the invitations to duels that they will be stuck declining constanlty.

Kind of ironic that they don't have any condiseration at all for those of us who solo and are stuck dealing with the constants invites to group.

 

 

Personally, I don't feel passionate either way about pvp. I can live with it or without it.

[TheC]

I'd be cool with PvP arenas as long as they don't ballance the classes for PvP.

[Colin MacLaren]

If dueling is implented, the boards will be full of whiners crying about inbalances, because their Templar is always killed by a warlock in a matter of seconds.

Currently the different classes are balanced for a full six-person group or raids. There are some issues, as high elvel scouts dps and stuff, but overall SOE did a fairly good job in balancing the different sub classes.

However, this already led to seriuos imbalances while playing in a small group or soloing. There is no way to balance the classes for dueling without completely rewriting all of them.

Message Edited by Colin MacLaren on 04-08-2005 12:46 AM

[Jan It]

PvP is in development, check out the dev tracker. It won´t be open PvP though, so people expect it to be a kind of duel system. There´ll be a new combat system implemented for PvP.

[Tradeskill_Addict]

PvP-duelling  wont help players who find EQ2 allready boring.

 

maybe the *fun* will last a week or 2 but logging on just to play kind of (extremly!) dumbed down unreal tournament Norrathian style?

 

personally I am still dreaming about a warzone-expansion where everyone who is interested in PvP can have it on a large scale in special zones - be it instanced or not - while others who dont buy/download it wont even know PvP exists and therefore dont whine about it

Message Edited by Tradeskill_Addict on 04-08-2005 03:24 AM

[Homesli]

Well one I think a PvP server would be great for all of those that want the full city war but have the knowledge that classes are only tweaked by PvE performance and not PvP.Two not sure what kind of PvP they are adding but it is already coming, so says the Smedman.And three I do not see this as anything more than a bandaid fix on a bigger issue. Mentoring should help ease off some of this to one help you go back and do some things you may have missed and two let you help out friends and play backwards without having to create multiple alts.I am not sure they will be able to put content in fast enough to keep all the higher level guys happy but I am sure it is coming also. They just need the quests etc for the level 50+ which may be at expansion time to see the plus levels at least. I also wanted to say I play WoW some here and there. I don't find it as social as EQ2, which is honestly kind of sad to me since I don't think EQ2 is anywhere near as social as SWG was for me. WoW is having the exact same issue really as you see more WoW people here saying they were level 60 and didn't have anything to do and WoW has PvP. The one thing we do have going for us is that we are getting regular updates with new stuff as well as fixes on our game.I really hope people aren't just leaving after hitting 50 but also for not being out all of five months, I think the game has a great base for some long term potential.

[Big Da]

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=41509#M41509

 

seems like duels may be coming!

Message Edited by Big Dave on 04-08-2005 11:48 AM

[Omegafoxx]

Personaly, i think the servers are underpopulated. That seems to be the bigger issue with not being able to find groups. There are so many servers, and im pretty sure everyone whos level 40-50 should know the others in their level range by name or at least grouped with them 2 or more times in the past. The servers are split so much that its hard to find groups.

[Mie]

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OrdoAbChao wrote:
I'm currently a level 45 Warlock and 44 Woodworker.
I enjoy the game, but lately it seems one of 3 things are happening. (with myself included)

People at my level are finding it very hard to get groups so they either roll and alt (I have 4 20+ alts).
B: Log out of the game and play WoW ( I bought the game this week and have two toons to play when there is nothing going on in EQ)
C: Quitting EQ2 altogether.

The truth is, there really isn't a whole lot to do until either half the server reaches it's 50's and can all group epic mobs together, my guild reaches all 50's to camp epics, an expansion comes out, OR PVP enters the game.

There just isn't anything to keep high levels on their toons right now. The only thing I can do is craft items to sell and watch my sales alt make me money while I play WoW.

With PVP duels or an arena, at least there is a constantly evolving end game for those of us too high level to do much else without a team of others.

Just my thoughts, but not having PVP of any kind in this game is going to cause EQ2 to eventually lose a great deal of people (YES, even those who currently say they don't want PVP) to other games.

The fact is, most people who say they don't want PVP are saying they don't want to get ganked openly while soloing or harvesting, however, if there was an arena, or the ability to duel people, these same people WILL take part in the high end game.

PVP will give a reason for high levels to stay logged in with their toons.

Thanks for reading.

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Do you know why hardly find groups? They created so many solo instant , solo mob. If I can solo, camping what ever I like. Why should I switch on LFG flag ?

[Jan It]

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Omegafoxx wrote:Personaly, i think the servers are underpopulated. That seems to be the bigger issue with not being able to find groups. There are so many servers, and im pretty sure everyone whos level 40-50 should know the others in their level range by name or at least grouped with them 2 or more times in the past. The servers are split so much that its hard to find groups.

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[darthlaro]

Dueling should be put in eq2. I remember when I was on eq dueling didnt really decrease groupoing numbers and it was something that was a lot of fun.  I have friends who think diablo 2 is better than eq2 just because PvP is alowed in diablo 2.

[ganjookie]

WALLAAAAH!!  Arena style PvP http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=desert&message.id=2#M2

[Dracko]

Arena pvp would be the best. Its a same we have to wait 5 months for it in new Exp pack.

AA points woild be a pluss to give reason to log on really. Been 50 for awile now and its getting very dull.

[Dovifat]

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TheCoZ wrote:

I'd be cool with PvP arenas as long as they don't ballance the classes for PvP.

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I agree, but everyone who played other MMORPGs before knows this aint gonna happen. The invention of any form of PvP will take the whining to a whole new level, the boards are already flooded with constantly repeating class envy, whine/love aso threads. Take a look at the WoW PvP board, or the VN Boards of DaoC for some taste of what to expect. As much as SOE  ( and some players ) may deny it, at some point they will cater to the massive whining and take action. It takes no genius to predict that there will be large backlashs into the PvE environment as well. I dont see, how duels could solve the issue of not finding groups/nothing to do in the long term anyway. As others above have already pointed out, it may be either: - underpopulation of the servers ( I experience that as well ) - lacking PvE content at your level - lacking social skills of yours All three of which have nothing at all to do with Dueling, or PvP in general. Starting to merge some servers would be the obvious choice, but i guess SOE isn't ready yet to admit they lost a lot of subscribers.

Message Edited by Dovifat on 05-06-2005 07:28 AM

[Malkant]

Well... to answer all PVP questions... check the newest info realease about the first expansion pack. (not the adventure packs, that's something different)

 

http://www.sonyonline.com/corp/press_releases/052005_Flames_Splitpaw.html

 

that should satisfy your PVP needs.. =)   for now

[initoci]

PvP is coming out with Desert of Flames