Vanish

big da · 04-21-2005, 09:19 AM

Anyone notice if this was not working as well for them? Was in Lavastorm and EF and seems things were seeing though my invis that hadn't before and on a wierd sort of basis. 2 mobs standing close ..same mob and lvl and one saw and other didnt Knda random. going to test the damage next and see if they have been reduced. Nikodimus 48 Assassin Najena

IsmeldaLasomb · 04-21-2005, 09:27 AM

Stealth nerf on it : Casting time is now 1s.

Not other effect noticed till now.

TwoBy · 04-21-2005, 03:59 PM

Yeah, I was in Lavastorm last night running around looking for the banners and quest updates for Lost Legend of Lavastorm and noticed that even my level 40 Adept 2 training sneak which was an upgrade to Vanish was having the same problems. Creatures that had not previously seen through it, were seeing through it.

Amise · 04-21-2005, 05:28 PM

Guessing they just added see invis mobs back into the game. Or rather, see stealth mobs. Didn't seem to have the same problem running round in LS using Fury group invis.

scivias · 04-21-2005, 06:27 PM

Experienced the same thing, funnyly enough several times one of two identical mobs in an encounter could see me, while the other could not. And I highly doubt that those crawlers have any see invis ability. I just guess it was some sort of bug, but it hasnt happened lately to me anyway.

Kven · 04-21-2005, 06:38 PM

IsmeldaLasombra wrote:

Stealth nerf on it : Casting time is now 1s.

Not other effect noticed till now.

I just love it when people jump so fast to cry 'NERF'. The Live Update prior to this one had in the notes to fix Vanish... They removed the re-cast timers, and made it 1s from the original 'instant' cast time. Vanish was the only one to make it without getting the 1s cast time. I reported it the same day it went in. They finally fixed it.

May want to try thinking before you post.

Syanis · 04-21-2005, 07:35 PM

I currently have Vanish Master 1. I used to be able to stealth anywhere and NOTHING would see me. I have nice screen shots of Vision of Vox even and Venekor and me /poking em under their belly. Now though Alot of mobs See through my stealth. Doesn't matter which I use. Also Sometimes I'll stop to check a mob or type something to guildies or such next to mobs that don't see through my stealth and get randomly attacked by something a moment earlier didn't show as seeing me.

I find this absurd when this stealth nerf kicked in. letting mobs see me. I believe it was actually LU #6 since I've been noticeing it since then. Also our out of combat stealths were instant. How was that a balance issue? It couldn't be used anymore to toggle stealth atacks. It wasn't like it gave us some huge advantage. Simply not in combat see a mob comming thats agro... pop it and your safe.

Long as SoE does these meaningless nerfs instead of fixing real *$%#&! EQ2 will continue downhill. I the last month I've lost a dozen friends from eq2 and don't blame em. SoE... Stop it!

Flitch Flea 49 Assassin

khalysta · 04-21-2005, 08:54 PM

Before they changed lavastorm all that saw stealth was the wanderers in the temple. Earlier this week(pre-patch) though I noticed a few giants now by sol eye saw sneak but I was able to avoid them so it wasn't a huge issue anyways.

ZaranilShadowfie · 04-21-2005, 09:26 PM

Eolorn's Vanishing is still instant cast which now makes it worth having chose for the level 40 training. I'm assuming the +10 to assassination helps a lot with sneaking too since I seem to be sneaking with that as well as ever. I think 1 second cast time traded for the removal of a recast is far from a nerf. It's gotta be hard for any dev to focus on our issues when we complain about every single thing with out even stopping to think.

Kven · 04-21-2005, 10:04 PM

I think the 1 second cast time is fine by me. Previously, waiting 60s for a refresh once you dropped it was horrid!

And in regards to Lavastorm, generally speaking the only ones I've seen that can see through a ttimes are an occasional goblin (mainly the roaming lookouts) or giants near Solusek's Eye entrance. I personally haven't seen any of the hallway roamers in Temple of Solusek Ro see through, but just lucky I guess.

big da · 04-21-2005, 10:25 PM

The point is ... we are assassins.. More of our spells are stealth related than any others. We should be the master of stealth. We already get a penalty in our movement when in stealth that people with group and other invis spells don't get and I dont give a &%&^ how fast i can recast a spell that doesnt work. I just get frustrated with what looks like a stealth nerf haha pun intended. Oh and our fury took people all around lava deactivating the towers for efreeti quest and didn't have any problems as far as i know. Now before the fanboys like zara whatever start defending Sony's every move let me explain that in RL im 56 yrs old. I enjoy playing these games with my son, nephew and some friends. In truth this kinda thing is not earth shaking and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it but you invest time and effort in your character and i would like to play the character i thought i was playing

Galveniz · 04-21-2005, 10:50 PM

BFD!! Why did they have to change vanish!?!? WHY SOE !?!?! WHY!!!

It wasn't hurting anyone the way it was. And now, yes, I still seem to get agros from further away and through it.

Y_Sli · 04-21-2005, 11:13 PM

I noticed it in Lavastorm a couple days ago. It seems pretty random which mobs can suddenly see through. One friends idea that he was tossing around was that they can see invis after they get trained. This would explain the randomness of it. I haven't tested it out though.

IsmeldaLasomb · 04-22-2005, 11:27 AM

Kvenau wrote:

IsmeldaLasombra wrote:

Stealth nerf on it : Casting time is now 1s.

Not other effect noticed till now.

I just love it when people jump so fast to cry 'NERF'. The Live Update prior to this one had in the notes to fix Vanish... They removed the re-cast timers, and made it 1s from the original 'instant' cast time. Vanish was the only one to make it without getting the 1s cast time. I reported it the same day it went in. They finally fixed it.

May want to try thinking before you post.

Sorry for the word but anything changing a skill to something a litte less performant can be called a nerf, even if it is a fix. Anyway anything SOE fix is somewhat nerfed, as when they fixed Assassin's Mark, fixing a part that require stealth to work ok, but also reducing damage and aoe on it. So i call a cow a cow.

Otherwise i think this skill (Vanish) is too powerfull with it's no time to refresh. I prefered the 0s casting time with 1mn refresh. Making it very handy to hide in urge and to use more cautiously than now. It is more ever too powerful due to the fact you can attack while stealthed with it. It's true that attack require to be stealthed only and do not care the way you did it but it makes other hide a bit useless even with that "longer" casting time.

Now i still think that 1s casting is a nerf.

SideNote : I am not the one that one stared you for your remark on my post. I never one star anyone. I only put 5 stars to people when i think their idea is good SMILEY

Message Edited by IsmeldaLasombra on 04-22-2005 09:32 AM

04-21-2005, 09:27 AM	#2
IsmeldaLasomb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 71	Stealth nerf on it : Casting time is now 1s. Not other effect noticed till now. __________________ Zaebosia Assamite, Assassin - Outfitter Befana Lasombra, Defiler - Sage Erzebeth, Enchanter - Scholar

04-21-2005, 03:59 PM	#3
TwoBy Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 102	Yeah, I was in Lavastorm last night running around looking for the banners and quest updates for Lost Legend of Lavastorm and noticed that even my level 40 Adept 2 training sneak which was an upgrade to Vanish was having the same problems. Creatures that had not previously seen through it, were seeing through it. __________________ Nibbles 60 Ratonga Assassin 60 Jeweler Shadowcraft Steamfont Server

04-21-2005, 06:27 PM	#5
scivias Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 475	Experienced the same thing, funnyly enough several times one of two identical mobs in an encounter could see me, while the other could not. And I highly doubt that those crawlers have any see invis ability. I just guess it was some sort of bug, but it hasnt happened lately to me anyway. __________________

04-21-2005, 09:26 PM	#9
ZaranilShadowfie Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 110	Eolorn's Vanishing is still instant cast which now makes it worth having chose for the level 40 training. I'm assuming the +10 to assassination helps a lot with sneaking too since I seem to be sneaking with that as well as ever. I think 1 second cast time traded for the removal of a recast is far from a nerf. It's gotta be hard for any dev to focus on our issues when we complain about every single thing with out even stopping to think. __________________

04-21-2005, 10:50 PM	#12
Galveniz Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 9	BFD!! Why did they have to change vanish!?!? WHY SOE !?!?! WHY!!! It wasn't hurting anyone the way it was. And now, yes, I still seem to get agros from further away and through it. __________________

04-21-2005, 09:19 AM	#1
big da Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 37	Anyone notice if this was not working as well for them? Was in Lavastorm and EF and seems things were seeing though my invis that hadn't before and on a wierd sort of basis. 2 mobs standing close ..same mob and lvl and one saw and other didnt Knda random. going to test the damage next and see if they have been reduced. Nikodimus 48 Assassin Najena

04-21-2005, 05:28 PM	#4
Amise Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 473	Guessing they just added see invis mobs back into the game. Or rather, see stealth mobs. Didn't seem to have the same problem running round in LS using Fury group invis.

04-21-2005, 06:38 PM	#6
Kven Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 202	IsmeldaLasombra wrote: Stealth nerf on it : Casting time is now 1s. Not other effect noticed till now. I just love it when people jump so fast to cry 'NERF'. The Live Update prior to this one had in the notes to fix Vanish... They removed the re-cast timers, and made it 1s from the original 'instant' cast time. Vanish was the only one to make it without getting the 1s cast time. I reported it the same day it went in. They finally fixed it. May want to try thinking before you post.

04-21-2005, 07:35 PM	#7
Syanis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 60	I currently have Vanish Master 1. I used to be able to stealth anywhere and NOTHING would see me. I have nice screen shots of Vision of Vox even and Venekor and me /poking em under their belly. Now though Alot of mobs See through my stealth. Doesn't matter which I use. Also Sometimes I'll stop to check a mob or type something to guildies or such next to mobs that don't see through my stealth and get randomly attacked by something a moment earlier didn't show as seeing me. I find this absurd when this stealth nerf kicked in. letting mobs see me. I believe it was actually LU #6 since I've been noticeing it since then. Also our out of combat stealths were instant. How was that a balance issue? It couldn't be used anymore to toggle stealth atacks. It wasn't like it gave us some huge advantage. Simply not in combat see a mob comming thats agro... pop it and your safe. Long as SoE does these meaningless nerfs instead of fixing real *$%#&! EQ2 will continue downhill. I the last month I've lost a dozen friends from eq2 and don't blame em. SoE... Stop it! Flitch Flea 49 Assassin

04-21-2005, 08:54 PM	#8
khalysta Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 490	Before they changed lavastorm all that saw stealth was the wanderers in the temple. Earlier this week(pre-patch) though I noticed a few giants now by sol eye saw sneak but I was able to avoid them so it wasn't a huge issue anyways.

04-21-2005, 10:04 PM	#10
Kven Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 202	I think the 1 second cast time is fine by me. Previously, waiting 60s for a refresh once you dropped it was horrid! And in regards to Lavastorm, generally speaking the only ones I've seen that can see through a ttimes are an occasional goblin (mainly the roaming lookouts) or giants near Solusek's Eye entrance. I personally haven't seen any of the hallway roamers in Temple of Solusek Ro see through, but just lucky I guess.

04-21-2005, 10:25 PM	#11
big da Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 37	The point is ... we are assassins.. More of our spells are stealth related than any others. We should be the master of stealth. We already get a penalty in our movement when in stealth that people with group and other invis spells don't get and I dont give a &%&^ how fast i can recast a spell that doesnt work. I just get frustrated with what looks like a stealth nerf haha pun intended. Oh and our fury took people all around lava deactivating the towers for efreeti quest and didn't have any problems as far as i know. Now before the fanboys like zara whatever start defending Sony's every move let me explain that in RL im 56 yrs old. I enjoy playing these games with my son, nephew and some friends. In truth this kinda thing is not earth shaking and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it but you invest time and effort in your character and i would like to play the character i thought i was playing

04-21-2005, 11:13 PM	#13
Y_Sli General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 25	I noticed it in Lavastorm a couple days ago. It seems pretty random which mobs can suddenly see through. One friends idea that he was tossing around was that they can see invis after they get trained. This would explain the randomness of it. I haven't tested it out though.

04-22-2005, 11:27 AM	#14
IsmeldaLasomb Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 71	Kvenau wrote: IsmeldaLasombra wrote: Stealth nerf on it : Casting time is now 1s. Not other effect noticed till now. I just love it when people jump so fast to cry 'NERF'. The Live Update prior to this one had in the notes to fix Vanish... They removed the re-cast timers, and made it 1s from the original 'instant' cast time. Vanish was the only one to make it without getting the 1s cast time. I reported it the same day it went in. They finally fixed it. May want to try thinking before you post. Sorry for the word but anything changing a skill to something a litte less performant can be called a nerf, even if it is a fix. Anyway anything SOE fix is somewhat nerfed, as when they fixed Assassin's Mark, fixing a part that require stealth to work ok, but also reducing damage and aoe on it. So i call a cow a cow. Otherwise i think this skill (Vanish) is too powerfull with it's no time to refresh. I prefered the 0s casting time with 1mn refresh. Making it very handy to hide in urge and to use more cautiously than now. It is more ever too powerful due to the fact you can attack while stealthed with it. It's true that attack require to be stealthed only and do not care the way you did it but it makes other hide a bit useless even with that "longer" casting time. Now i still think that 1s casting is a nerf. SideNote : I am not the one that one stared you for your remark on my post. I never one star anyone. I only put 5 stars to people when i think their idea is good Message Edited by IsmeldaLasombra on 04-22-2005 09:32 AM __________________ Zaebosia Assamite, Assassin - Outfitter Befana Lasombra, Defiler - Sage Erzebeth, Enchanter - Scholar