Price Check ! Cut Throat Master I

[Anash]

Just got one of these off giants in Nektulos and was wondering how much its worth, what level do Assassins get this skill ? and if you are on AB give me a offer !

 

Message Edited by Anash on 11-30-2004 12:22 PM

[Garath]

We get it at level 20. No idea how much I would pay for it. 60second refresh medium damage.

[Ail Er]

Lets not forget that Cut Throat silences the target making it an absolute must for any beefy casting mob.

[Anash]

Thanks, was wondering what level and usefulness of this skill ! I have seen 2 Master scrolls drop of these giants, need a good group to kill them but its worth the XP.

 

[Dormam]

A couple of things to consider.

 

1.  Its a level 20 skill which will be outclassed by the better attacks we get at higher levels.

 

2.  Its damage is sub-par compared to our other attacks.  I certainly wouldnt use this over my shadowblade or assassin's blade to open even vs caster mobs.  Why?  In general, caster mobs have lower hps and the amount of damage between a cut throat and assassins blade is staggering.

 

3.  Used it several times and have not really seen it work effectively.  I think its duration is only about as long as a combat stun, so it might interrupt a single spell.

 

As a 24th level Assassin I have even removed Cut Throat off my hot key bar.  I find that my other attacks are more effective damage wise when compared to the power they use.  Given that, I would still probably purchase the Master 1 for the ability just to see how much improvement a Master 1 does on it.  As for a suggested price?  I dunno.  I have seen other Master 1s go between 5 gold and 50 gold on the market.  I would see how much a vendor would give me for it and then pick some type of muliplier I was happy with and try that.

[Anash]

Vendors in Nektulos was offering me around 75 silver for it. I'll list it for around 3-4 gold and see what happens.

 

[khalysta]

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Anash wrote:

Vendors in Nektulos was offering me around 75 silver for it. I'll list it for around 3-4 gold and see what happens.

 

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good luck because most assassins don't rank this very high due to its low damage and misunderstanding of the stifle effect portion.

[khalysta]

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Dormammu wrote:

A couple of things to consider.

 

2.  Its damage is sub-par compared to our other attacks.  I certainly wouldnt use this over my shadowblade or assassin's blade to open even vs caster mobs.  Why?  In general, caster mobs have lower hps and the amount of damage between a cut throat and assassins blade is staggering.

 

3.  Used it several times and have not really seen it work effectively.  I think its duration is only about as long as a combat stun, so it might interrupt a single spell.

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I use it to open occasionally especially on the scout mobs since I can avoid their high damage arts for a few seconds while I take it down.  The damage on it isnt all that bad though and rivals poisoners blade.  With shrouded strike though and the quick stealth I use this quite often just for the effect.  Even if it is minor less damage done by the mob means less power used by the priests and quicker pulls.  It might not be the best art overall but it does have its uses so I hang onto it in the secondar toolbar.

[Dormam]

/nod.  I mean I would probably pay upwards of 5 gp for it IF I had the extra Gp laying around..which I dont at the moment.  3-4 gp you should be able to find a buyer for it.

[Mjk_cz]

3-4 gold max, because i Do not use this skill, Stalk-offautocombat-ambush or poisener's blade, shrouded strike-offautocombat-shadowblade, no place for anotehr sneak attack like cut throat, it's useless skill and stiffle? **ZOMG** is that ?

[Anash]

I haven't found a buyer for 4 gold yet, even went as low as 3 gold to a few good assassins I have grouped with, guess no one likes this ability much. 

[khalysta]

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Anash wrote:

I haven't found a buyer for 4 gold yet, even went as low as 3 gold to a few good assassins I have grouped with, guess no one likes this ability much. 

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Like I said above its lack of understanding.  Most see the lower damage and don't understand the stifle on it.  So its a utility art when most focus on the big numbers.

[Nagora]

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khalysta wrote:

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Anash wrote:

I haven't found a buyer for 4 gold yet, even went as low as 3 gold to a few good assassins I have grouped with, guess no one likes this ability much. 

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Like I said above its lack of understanding.  Most see the lower damage and don't understand the stifle on it.  So its a utility art when most focus on the big numbers.

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It's not just because people misunderstand it.  The truth is Master 1s are a waste of money at lower levels.  People want far too much money for a skill that, let's face it, is outclassed in another few levels.  A Master 1 is only good for about 1-2 weeks of RL time before you replace it (and that might be an overestimate). 

Some guy wanted like 3-4 gold for a Pierce Master 1 on Unrest.  I offered a gold but he wouldn't take it.  Truth is, I try to avoid using the skill at Adept 1, because the damage is so poor compared to the power cost.  Why would I spend more than a gold on a borderline skill?  Even if the skill does much better damage at Master 1, it's still not worth more than about a gold to me when it's going to be replaced in no time flat. 

People are just asking way too much for skills which are only really special because they say Master 1.  I wouldn't even waste the time/money getting most of these skills up to Adept 3, let alone Master 1. 

Message Edited by Nagorak3 on 12-02-2004 01:38 AM

[Jounar]

Well said Nagorak3.

 

Just because its a master scroll dosent mean its a needed scroll. I wouldnt pay more than 1 gold for that particular skill for the simple reasion it sucks and will be replaced in a few levels. At my level (21) caster mobs drop very fast and I would rather hit them for 2-300 damage and have them nearly dead than hit them for 60 damage and them not being able to cast for a little while.

 

The only time I will go mad getting master scrolls is when they are for a skill I wont be upgrading for a long time or are damm good skills.

[Mjk_cz]

Fully agreed Nagorak3. I think you are right, i WILL NEVER pay more than one gold for such skills. Tho I might pay more if it something exclusive and nice like assassin's blade.

[Anash]

I can sell it to the vendor for over a gold, like 1g 20s or something, but no one wants it still

 

[Mjk_cz]

I think, best way is to sell it to vendor then, because I would never pay 1G 20 silvers for skill which is not useful. In combat there is no space for it, I go for damage in parties, DPS not some kind of stiffle effects with low dmg. This skill is immediately beaten by poisoners blade.

[Dormam]

"I think, best way is to sell it to vendor then, because I would never pay 1G 20 silvers for skill which is not useful. In combat there is no space for it, I go for damage in parties, DPS not some kind of stiffle effects with low dmg. This skill is immediately beaten by poisoners blade. "

 

Bah, what else would you spend your money on?  I got over 10 gp right now and top notch equipment.  Money in this game is nothing as I can make 2-3 gp a night easy just killing yard trash in nek in a group.  Btw, do you know for certain that app1 or maybe even adept 1 poisoners blade outperforms cut throat master 1?  I certainly would buy it just to see if that were the case.

 

I have bought a lot of my adepts and dont mine paying a bit more if the price is a little high, but its the only offer on the market.  Am I going to miss the money?  Not really.

 

That being said, I usually try to sell something at a price 2 days tops.  I price it one day, if it doesnt sell, reduce it the next day and if it still doesnt sell, off to the vendor it goes.

[Nagora]

If you were on Unrest I'd pay up to 1.5 g for Cutthroat as I think it is useful in certain situations.  I was talking about Pierce when I sited the 1g.  If I were you I'd check vendor prices and then just charge a couple extra silver over that.  The skill may not be worth a million gold, but it is nice to sell to a player if possible. 

[Anash]

Just a FYI I started up my merchant and forgot it was even on there and I had it listed for 6g and someone bought it, I was pretty amazed and has given up hope.

[Mjk_cz]

Okok, I agree, i could buy it for 1.5G just to see the difference, but if you ask me for what to spend money ? Houseitems!, Pets!, Equipment!, or give them to poor

[Heretici]

just browsing the boards looking for what people are pricing master spells. It is interesting to note how low people are offering these spells. Consider the following: how many spells actually fall into peoples possession per server, how much the npc vender gives you and in addition the actual type of spell. I have seen Master spells on my server go for more than 2 platnumn, although I do not know this spell or its affiliation it suprises me how low people are offering it up.