Pre EoF AA's

dancer · 12-09-2006, 10:37 AM

What would over more dps taking putting 8 points in str or putting 8 points in int assuming you use caustic poisons? Str only affects ranged auto attack dmg right? Doing some testing dps wise and about to do another respec and see if anything makes a drastic change(s)

Message Edited by dancerfe on 12-08-2006 09:37 PM

Lev · 12-09-2006, 12:02 PM

STR affect CA dmg, and as far as I know Auto-attack as well. Int affects spell dmg, which includes poisons. But most will agree that the stats is not the reason to choose either tree. The increase in crit % is. So it is either melee crit % or poison crith % it mostly comes down to how much you are meleeing, and also prefrence

dancer · 12-09-2006, 10:50 PM

yea obviously we never melee much so, spell crit% (ie: poison crit %) is probably the way to go?

LoreLady · 12-10-2006, 01:13 AM

Umm - forgetting how much of an impact perfectionist has on snipers and rain? wow SMILEY

I personally have the str/agil line and refuse to go downt he int line - I dont like it.

dancer · 12-10-2006, 03:35 AM

ill probably switch it up eventually.. but .. turning 15 mins into every 7 1/2 mins still only makes it useable a few times a raid. Fun for show but for sustained dps .. not so sure.

Gareorn · 12-10-2006, 03:44 AM

Sniper accounts for 1% of my zone-wide parses, I forget what rain accounts for, but it's not much. Poison accounts for 13%. I'm sticking with the poison line.

Gerdos · 12-10-2006, 04:53 AM

dancerfe wrote:

ill probably switch it up eventually.. but .. turning 15 mins into every 7 1/2 mins still only makes it useable a few times a raid. Fun for show but for sustained dps .. not so sure.

With perfectionist... you'll have Sniper Shot on a 10min reuse timer, and Rain of Arrows on a 2min reuse timer.

EomerFarst · 12-10-2006, 05:22 AM

I had 4/4/8 Int and 4/4/8/8 Agi and respecced to str, I lost 6 critiical ranged points but find have RoA up every 2 minutes is much better SMILEY

With perfectionist I can critical for close 17,000 with snipers shot.

Gareorn · 12-10-2006, 06:42 AM

That's nice, but 17,000 damage every 10 minutes is only 28.3 DPS. Even if you spend half that time out of combat, it's still only 56.6 DPS.

LoreLady · 12-10-2006, 07:58 PM

snipers is a "nice to have"Rain is a HUGE boost. Being able to use rain once every min 30 instead of 2 min makes a large diffrence, as well as the damage increase.. Most mobs come in 2 these days, and unloading that every fight makes a huge diffrence in damage.

Gerdos · 12-11-2006, 01:32 AM

Unless there's a change that i'm unaware of, RoA is a 3min reuse timer, and drops to 2mins with Perfectionist.

Sniper Shot at M1, at STR capped prior to EoF, could have you hitting around 19k (with raid debuffs). With the removal of STR cap, everyone should be seeing new High Hits with Sniper Shot (more if you have perfectionist). Its just a matter of time before 20k high hits start appearing.

Rain of Arrows, is the CA of choice for rangers ... our best AE, our best DD (for the mere fact, its a quick cast, doesn't require stealth and only behind Sniper Shot for pure damage on single targets). Getting Perfectionist to improve it further isn't such a bad idea. There are pro's and con's to taking either STR or INT lines. You'll need to figure out what works best for you depending on your raid/group setups, gear and playstyle.

LoreLady · 12-11-2006, 01:38 PM

Yea, and what you said earlier is really what it comes down to.. Myself, I dont use damage poisons I use mental breach poisons because I run out of power so d*mned quickly - and even then even WITH mental breach poisons I am OOP.. And I have nearly full fabled (minus afew the odd piece of jewelrey). So for me, the poison line is useless.. To you on the other hand, it might be valuble.

Xenon Crimson · 12-11-2006, 07:23 PM

If your running oop either your raid setup is lacking regen or taking too long to kill mobs.

Colbie · 12-11-2006, 07:30 PM

That's what I'm saying...oop? WOW! That's a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] long fight!

LoreLady · 12-12-2006, 12:19 AM

Xenon Crimson wrote:If your running oop either your raid setup is lacking regen or taking too long to kill mobs.

Let me put this into prospective, my guild does labs in less than an hour tops - there is minimal downtime.. So.. at 50 FT (max) comes at 50 points every 6 seconds.. That comes to 8 mana per second, thats LESS than one shocking thrust - thats assuming you have full FT..Regen is nearly pointless to have, I still parse well for my gear.. Our old assassin used mental breach poisons for the SAME reasons.. Its not because of our amount of power - self buffed I have 500-550 (somewhere in there) agil, and nearly a full set of fabled.. Its just the pace I go..Its not that we dont do dps as a guild, its just that we choose to have little downtime.

Message Edited by LoreLady on 12-11-2006 11:20 AM

Gareorn · 12-12-2006, 01:07 AM

LoreLady wrote:

Xenon Crimson wrote:
If your running oop either your raid setup is lacking regen or taking too long to kill mobs.

Let me put this into prospective, my guild does labs in less than an hour tops - there is minimal downtime.. So.. at 50 FT (max) comes at 50 points every 6 seconds.. That comes to 8 mana per second, thats LESS than one shocking thrust - thats assuming you have full FT..

Regen is nearly pointless to have, I still parse well for my gear.. Our old assassin used mental breach poisons for the SAME reasons.. Its not because of our amount of power - self buffed I have 500-550 (somewhere in there) agil, and nearly a full set of fabled.. Its just the pace I go..

Its not that we dont do dps as a guild, its just that we choose to have little downtime.

Message Edited by LoreLady on 12-11-200611:20 AM

I know where you are coming from. On Lab runs we chain pull too (that zone is so dang big). The other place where I run oom is the Harla Dar instance. But instead of using mental breach all the time, I run caustic. When I run out of power, I switch to mental breach. In no time at all, I'm back at full power. Then I switch back to Caustic. It's a little more expensive this way, but since I regain power so fast with mental breach, I use the exceptional version to save on cash and I get the little extra damage from the caustics. I'm procing for ~1500 these days with caustic and the 10% increase we get from the eoF AAs.

We all do it differently, and there is no real right way. I see assassins and swashies using vitality breach all the time. But they take a beating from the AE attacks so it makes sense for them.

LoreLady · 12-13-2006, 06:20 AM

Yea - a friend of mine provides me with my poisons, so I dont want to use them up quickly.. They are free, and he understands my arrow woe's and I am not going to start using that tactic.. Espessally since the agreement is, I give him a batch of beholder totems, he gives me a batch of poisons..Again, its all in what works best and what situation your in.. I LOVE the STR line and wont swap my aa's out of it to the int line, as well with that - I am not going to use a boost to my caustic untill maybe the end.. I am finding myself switching stances much MUCH more frequently, and see the halved recast to snaring shot a HUGE boost to dps. Although if you compare us player vs player equally, you are going to get "slightly" higher on more single targets.. But come AE's, will be much higher per fight its all preferance.. Yes you can take into account a 50% crit rate with poisons with 10% extra damage, but theres also 33% recast reduction and 15% damage for perfectionist - as well as a 5% increase, and a .8s cast time reduction.. When it comes down to it, the overall zonewide dps should come to about the same.. But then again, it is always "nice" to see some 20k crits from sniper *wink* SMILEY

12-10-2006, 01:13 AM	#4
LoreLady Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	Umm - forgetting how much of an impact perfectionist has on snipers and rain? wow I personally have the str/agil line and refuse to go downt he int line - I dont like it. __________________ RIP Oakleaf 1949-2006

12-10-2006, 03:44 AM	#6
Gareorn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,144	Sniper accounts for 1% of my zone-wide parses, I forget what rain accounts for, but it's not much. Poison accounts for 13%. I'm sticking with the poison line. __________________ Leader of the vast right-wing conspiricy... Hiding from the world's smartest woman in a bunker under a Hooter's restaurant.

12-10-2006, 04:53 AM	#7
Gerdos Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 236	dancerfe wrote: ill probably switch it up eventually.. but .. turning 15 mins into every 7 1/2 mins still only makes it useable a few times a raid. Fun for show but for sustained dps .. not so sure. With perfectionist... you'll have Sniper Shot on a 10min reuse timer, and Rain of Arrows on a 2min reuse timer.

12-10-2006, 05:22 AM	#8
EomerFarst General Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 180	I had 4/4/8 Int and 4/4/8/8 Agi and respecced to str, I lost 6 critiical ranged points but find have RoA up every 2 minutes is much better With perfectionist I can critical for close 17,000 with snipers shot.

12-10-2006, 06:42 AM	#9
Gareorn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,144	That's nice, but 17,000 damage every 10 minutes is only 28.3 DPS. Even if you spend half that time out of combat, it's still only 56.6 DPS. __________________ Leader of the vast right-wing conspiricy... Hiding from the world's smartest woman in a bunker under a Hooter's restaurant.

12-09-2006, 10:37 AM	#1
dancer General Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 39	What would over more dps taking putting 8 points in str or putting 8 points in int assuming you use caustic poisons? Str only affects ranged auto attack dmg right? Doing some testing dps wise and about to do another respec and see if anything makes a drastic change(s) Message Edited by dancerfe on 12-08-2006 09:37 PM

12-09-2006, 12:02 PM	#2
Lev General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 171	STR affect CA dmg, and as far as I know Auto-attack as well. Int affects spell dmg, which includes poisons. But most will agree that the stats is not the reason to choose either tree. The increase in crit % is. So it is either melee crit % or poison crith % it mostly comes down to how much you are meleeing, and also prefrence

12-09-2006, 10:50 PM	#3
dancer General Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 39	yea obviously we never melee much so, spell crit% (ie: poison crit %) is probably the way to go?

12-10-2006, 03:35 AM	#5
dancer General Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 39	ill probably switch it up eventually.. but .. turning 15 mins into every 7 1/2 mins still only makes it useable a few times a raid. Fun for show but for sustained dps .. not so sure.

12-10-2006, 07:58 PM	#10
LoreLady Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	snipers is a "nice to have"Rain is a HUGE boost. Being able to use rain once every min 30 instead of 2 min makes a large diffrence, as well as the damage increase.. Most mobs come in 2 these days, and unloading that every fight makes a huge diffrence in damage. __________________ RIP Oakleaf 1949-2006

12-11-2006, 01:32 AM	#11
Gerdos Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 236	Unless there's a change that i'm unaware of, RoA is a 3min reuse timer, and drops to 2mins with Perfectionist. Sniper Shot at M1, at STR capped prior to EoF, could have you hitting around 19k (with raid debuffs). With the removal of STR cap, everyone should be seeing new High Hits with Sniper Shot (more if you have perfectionist). Its just a matter of time before 20k high hits start appearing. Rain of Arrows, is the CA of choice for rangers ... our best AE, our best DD (for the mere fact, its a quick cast, doesn't require stealth and only behind Sniper Shot for pure damage on single targets). Getting Perfectionist to improve it further isn't such a bad idea. There are pro's and con's to taking either STR or INT lines. You'll need to figure out what works best for you depending on your raid/group setups, gear and playstyle.

12-11-2006, 01:38 PM	#12
LoreLady Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	Yea, and what you said earlier is really what it comes down to.. Myself, I dont use damage poisons I use mental breach poisons because I run out of power so d*mned quickly - and even then even WITH mental breach poisons I am OOP.. And I have nearly full fabled (minus afew the odd piece of jewelrey). So for me, the poison line is useless.. To you on the other hand, it might be valuble. __________________ RIP Oakleaf 1949-2006

12-11-2006, 07:23 PM	#13
Xenon Crimson Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 12	If your running oop either your raid setup is lacking regen or taking too long to kill mobs.

12-11-2006, 07:30 PM	#14
Colbie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 20	That's what I'm saying...oop? WOW! That's a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] long fight! __________________ Colbie 70 Ranger of The Bekwen Alliance 70 Woodworker KoS Achievments - STR 2 Agi 4,6,4,8,2 Int 6,4,4,8,2 (50) EoF Achievments - PS(5),TV(5),Sel(5),RoA(5),DA(1) CP(5) DoT(3),Snar(5),Foc(5),HR(5),Ext(1) (50)

12-12-2006, 12:19 AM	#15
LoreLady Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	Xenon Crimson wrote:If your running oop either your raid setup is lacking regen or taking too long to kill mobs. Let me put this into prospective, my guild does labs in less than an hour tops - there is minimal downtime.. So.. at 50 FT (max) comes at 50 points every 6 seconds.. That comes to 8 mana per second, thats LESS than one shocking thrust - thats assuming you have full FT..Regen is nearly pointless to have, I still parse well for my gear.. Our old assassin used mental breach poisons for the SAME reasons.. Its not because of our amount of power - self buffed I have 500-550 (somewhere in there) agil, and nearly a full set of fabled.. Its just the pace I go..Its not that we dont do dps as a guild, its just that we choose to have little downtime. Message Edited by LoreLady on 12-11-2006 11:20 AM __________________ RIP Oakleaf 1949-2006

12-12-2006, 01:07 AM	#16
Gareorn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,144	LoreLady wrote: Xenon Crimson wrote: If your running oop either your raid setup is lacking regen or taking too long to kill mobs. Let me put this into prospective, my guild does labs in less than an hour tops - there is minimal downtime.. So.. at 50 FT (max) comes at 50 points every 6 seconds.. That comes to 8 mana per second, thats LESS than one shocking thrust - thats assuming you have full FT.. Regen is nearly pointless to have, I still parse well for my gear.. Our old assassin used mental breach poisons for the SAME reasons.. Its not because of our amount of power - self buffed I have 500-550 (somewhere in there) agil, and nearly a full set of fabled.. Its just the pace I go.. Its not that we dont do dps as a guild, its just that we choose to have little downtime. Message Edited by LoreLady on 12-11-200611:20 AM I know where you are coming from. On Lab runs we chain pull too (that zone is so dang big). The other place where I run oom is the Harla Dar instance. But instead of using mental breach all the time, I run caustic. When I run out of power, I switch to mental breach. In no time at all, I'm back at full power. Then I switch back to Caustic. It's a little more expensive this way, but since I regain power so fast with mental breach, I use the exceptional version to save on cash and I get the little extra damage from the caustics. I'm procing for ~1500 these days with caustic and the 10% increase we get from the eoF AAs. We all do it differently, and there is no real right way. I see assassins and swashies using vitality breach all the time. But they take a beating from the AE attacks so it makes sense for them. __________________ Leader of the vast right-wing conspiricy... Hiding from the world's smartest woman in a bunker under a Hooter's restaurant.

12-13-2006, 06:20 AM	#17
LoreLady Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	Yea - a friend of mine provides me with my poisons, so I dont want to use them up quickly.. They are free, and he understands my arrow woe's and I am not going to start using that tactic.. Espessally since the agreement is, I give him a batch of beholder totems, he gives me a batch of poisons..Again, its all in what works best and what situation your in.. I LOVE the STR line and wont swap my aa's out of it to the int line, as well with that - I am not going to use a boost to my caustic untill maybe the end.. I am finding myself switching stances much MUCH more frequently, and see the halved recast to snaring shot a HUGE boost to dps. Although if you compare us player vs player equally, you are going to get "slightly" higher on more single targets.. But come AE's, will be much higher per fight its all preferance.. Yes you can take into account a 50% crit rate with poisons with 10% extra damage, but theres also 33% recast reduction and 15% damage for perfectionist - as well as a 5% increase, and a .8s cast time reduction.. When it comes down to it, the overall zonewide dps should come to about the same.. But then again, it is always "nice" to see some 20k crits from sniper wink __________________ RIP Oakleaf 1949-2006