Developers: YOU OWE US an explaination!!!

PrinceThrakha · 07-28-2006, 06:51 PM

Dear developers,

Aall rangers out there including me are wondering...

* Why did you nerf our DPS below assasins?

* Why did you nerf our soloing abilities?

* Why do we have to spend quadrilion plats on arrows and poisons when other classes get everything for free?

(no the summoned arrows do not last long enough)

* Why do you want our class to look bad and be less fun to play?

* How are you gonna restore the confidence for our class?

If you were reading the freakin threads in this forum forum you'ld notice every second post is asking for this!

You did a good job programming this game, but then you just slap us in the face without any hint of as to why!

90% of the visitors to the ranger forum go there just to find the answers to these questions so please pay us some respect!

Please put your excuse and redemption plan in the header of the forum for everyone to scrutinize, ok?

Woodstick,

69 Ranger,

Crushbone Server

Mirdo · 07-28-2006, 06:59 PM

The dev's 'owe' us nothing. We can complain, whine, present logical and reasoned data, well constructed posts - it matters not. If they consider there's an issue they might put it on their huge list of things to do and inform us when they are ready. Although I believe there's an imbalance, to be perfectly honest, the state of this class is not a big issue for them. The only place the imbalance really shows up is in well constructed raids. That's a pretty low %age of unhappy people when compared to the overall health of the game and even the class. Posts like this are not going to get much attention from a Dev. M.

LoreLady · 07-28-2006, 07:24 PM

Mirdo wrote:The dev's 'owe' us nothing. We can complain, whine, present logical and reasoned data, well constructed posts - it matters not. If they consider there's an issue they might put it on their huge list of things to do and inform us when they are ready. Although I believe there's an imbalance, to be perfectly honest, the state of this class is not a big issue for them. The only place the imbalance really shows up is in well constructed raids. That's a pretty low %age of unhappy people when compared to the overall health of the game and even the class. Posts like this are not going to get much attention from a Dev. M.

True, by the time EoF comes out.. If I am not seeing ballance within my class I am moving on its that simple. It will show up on the charts on who is staying who is going.. Also, if I leave EQ2 im not going to be spreading the best opinions about the game cutting out several potential buyers. So far I talk about this game in praise, I leave I will tell people I stopped playing and why.. Ultimatly, it will have a large negitive effect on EQ2 than just acouple of rangers leaving.And I think that the OP is just mad because theres nothing on test.

Message Edited by LoreLady on 07-28-2006 08:24 AM

BSbon · 07-28-2006, 07:24 PM

i've never seen a dev respond to demands.

nirav21 · 07-28-2006, 07:33 PM

I think the nerfbat was there so class population will be more balanced. Since there are gazillions of rangers there.

Gareorn · 07-28-2006, 07:45 PM

Here's the current lvl 70 count from http://www.eq2census.com .

level class count

70 Ranger 1590

70 Assassin 1093

Looks like there is a ways to go before we see some balance.

LoreLady · 07-28-2006, 07:58 PM

wish there was some way to tally accounts.

Ethelwo · 07-28-2006, 09:05 PM

They are free to ruin their own lands if they so desire. Rangers no longer have a place in this game because they dont want them to have a place. Thats the only conclusion you can draw.

If you want to get all your master spells from L57 to L70 in this game you have to be evil aligned as the good aligned spells rarely ever drop and when they do the pirce is so high you cant afford them. That right there is a message of where the development teams head is at. They want everyone in the game to quit Qeynos and join Freeport and it doesnt matter what Freeport class you play you can count on the development team to hand everything to you with little or no work. You will have more dps, you will have more master spells and you will have the full support of the development team.

Coarcers rock, Chanters suck

Bruisers rock, Monks suck

Dirges rock, Troubadors suck

Assasins rock, rangers suck

Inquisitors rock, Templars suck

it goes on and on. get used to it.

KnightOfTheWo · 07-28-2006, 09:15 PM

LoreLady wrote:
Mirdo wrote:The dev's 'owe' us nothing. We can complain, whine, present logical and reasoned data, well constructed posts - it matters not. If they consider there's an issue they might put it on their huge list of things to do and inform us when they are ready. Although I believe there's an imbalance, to be perfectly honest, the state of this class is not a big issue for them. The only place the imbalance really shows up is in well constructed raids. That's a pretty low %age of unhappy people when compared to the overall health of the game and even the class. Posts like this are not going to get much attention from a Dev. M.
True, by the time EoF comes out.. If I am not seeing ballance within my class I am moving on its that simple. It will show up on the charts on who is staying who is going.. Also, if I leave EQ2 im not going to be spreading the best opinions about the game cutting out several potential buyers. So far I talk about this game in praise, I leave I will tell people I stopped playing and why.. Ultimatly, it will have a large negitive effect on EQ2 than just acouple of rangers leaving.And I think that the OP is just mad because theres nothing on test.
Message Edited by LoreLady on 07-28-2006 08:24 AM
Message Edited by LoreLady on 07-28-2006 08:24 AM

This honestly isn't meant to be a flame. I'm just confused. Are you saying that if you, personally leave EQ2, it will cause some kind of domino effect with scores of other players leaving, and EQ2 as a whole will be crippled for all other players? I don't understand...

Jay · 07-28-2006, 09:17 PM

The "evil classes rock, good classes suck" idea is ridiculous. Most of those you listed don't suck at all. (Monks, are you kidding me??)

While I understand the frustration behind the OP, that's about the least likely method of getting a response that you can use. The Devs are unlikely to respond to angry demands; think of the precedent it would set. They're not going to show up like abashed children and listen to us admonish them for their wayward behavior.

LoreLady · 07-28-2006, 11:02 PM

This honestly isn't meant to be a flame. I'm just confused. Are you saying that if you, personally leave EQ2, it will cause some kind of domino effect with scores of other players leaving, and EQ2 as a whole will be crippled for all other players? I don't understand...

Dident mean for it to be a flame.. Just if I left the game, and people ask why.. There are less potential buyers.

Nak · 07-28-2006, 11:51 PM

Coarcers rock, Chanters suck

Bruisers rock, Monks suck

Dirges rock, Troubadors suck

Assasins rock, rangers suck

Inquisitors rock, Templars suck

it goes on and on. get used to it.

What is this Coarcer class? Did you mean Coercer? if so, How can a coercer rock, if an enchanter sucks? As a coercer is an enchanter If it goes on and on, does this mean defilers "rock" and mystic's "suck"? Sk's "rock" and Paladins "suck "? If your going to post about things sucking and owning, the least you could do is to look up your classes and get your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] straight you nooblet

TaleraRis · 07-28-2006, 11:59 PM

What's an explaination? SMILEY

griffit · 07-29-2006, 12:29 AM

They don't owe us an explanation, though it sure as hell would be nice. Of course I don't know what they would say"Well guys, the Devs were sitting around the office one day and John said that if we made a marginal dps class with no utility that required a lot skill/effort to play and was also very expensive that there would still be people that would play it regardless. Well I disagreed, so we got to arguing and finally we made a bet. That was just before LU #20. Well thanks to Jay42 I am out 20 bucks to John."

BedlamX · 07-29-2006, 06:05 AM

Here is my 2 cp worth: I own and opperate my own business. I provide a service to my customers. If the level of my service is becoming sub standard I get questioned by my customers and If I dont want to lose those customers I give them the explanation they require or I lose them. I am the customer here and I for one deserve an explanation for a lack luster experience with their product. They can choose to not give one and thats ok but dont expect me to put up with it. Our biggest problem is that SOE has too many customers to care about a few thousand of us unfortunate ones. If a few of us leave big deal there are a few more around the corner. SOE will never care until it hurts their bottom line. Never the less I the customer deserve some answers. For those of you who feel you dont deserve answers have too much time and money to spend to care anyway. When a few thousand rangers quit overnight thats an impact they will look at. But who am I kidding that will never happen and SOE will ignor you forever.

Drainlo · 07-29-2006, 08:11 AM

BedlamX wrote:
Here is my 2 cp worth: I own and opperate my own business. I provide a service to my customers. If the level of my service is becoming sub standard I get questioned by my customers and If I dont want to lose those customers I give them the explanation they require or I lose them.

I am the customer here and I for one deserve an explanation for a lack luster experience with their product. They can choose to not give one and thats ok but dont expect me to put up with it. Our biggest problem is that SOE has too many customers to care about a few thousand of us unfortunate ones. If a few of us leave big deal there are a few more around the corner. SOE will never care until it hurts their bottom line. Never the less I the customer deserve some answers. For those of you who feel you dont deserve answers have too much time and money to spend to care anyway. When a few thousand rangers quit overnight thats an impact they will look at. But who am I kidding that will never happen and SOE will ignor you forever.

I agree. It's my opinion SOE cares nothing about its customers.

Scarrlette · 07-30-2006, 05:18 AM

It's silly to think that the devs are purposely messing over any class. They want all the classes to play as they intended them too, it may or may not be what all the players want, but such is life.

Devs don't typically respond well to demands. The only thing that they owe anyone, is to do their job to the best of their ability.

And, as stated in the forum rules, things that devs are mostly likely not going to respond to:

Threads addressed to a “Red Name” or "devs." If we responded to them, then you would see hundreds of posts trying to get our attention this way. Threads with a name in the title will almost never see an official response.

And with that, I'm going to have to lock this thread.

07-28-2006, 07:24 PM	#3
LoreLady Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	Mirdo wrote:The dev's 'owe' us nothing. We can complain, whine, present logical and reasoned data, well constructed posts - it matters not. If they consider there's an issue they might put it on their huge list of things to do and inform us when they are ready. Although I believe there's an imbalance, to be perfectly honest, the state of this class is not a big issue for them. The only place the imbalance really shows up is in well constructed raids. That's a pretty low %age of unhappy people when compared to the overall health of the game and even the class. Posts like this are not going to get much attention from a Dev. M. True, by the time EoF comes out.. If I am not seeing ballance within my class I am moving on its that simple. It will show up on the charts on who is staying who is going.. Also, if I leave EQ2 im not going to be spreading the best opinions about the game cutting out several potential buyers. So far I talk about this game in praise, I leave I will tell people I stopped playing and why.. Ultimatly, it will have a large negitive effect on EQ2 than just acouple of rangers leaving.And I think that the OP is just mad because theres nothing on test. Message Edited by LoreLady on 07-28-2006 08:24 AM Message Edited by LoreLady on 07-28-2006 08:24 AM __________________ RIP Oakleaf 1949-2006

07-28-2006, 07:24 PM	#4
BSbon General Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 605	i've never seen a dev respond to demands. __________________ Click Here for Amazing Superteam Comics updated Tuesday and Thursday " width="360" height="81">

07-28-2006, 07:33 PM	#5
nirav21 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 99	I think the nerfbat was there so class population will be more balanced. Since there are gazillions of rangers there. __________________ Nisox 70 Ranger on Nagafen

07-28-2006, 07:45 PM	#6
Gareorn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,144	Here's the current lvl 70 count from http://www.eq2census.com . level class count 70 Ranger 1590 70 Assassin 1093 Looks like there is a ways to go before we see some balance. __________________ Leader of the vast right-wing conspiricy... Hiding from the world's smartest woman in a bunker under a Hooter's restaurant.

07-28-2006, 07:58 PM	#7
LoreLady Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	wish there was some way to tally accounts. __________________ RIP Oakleaf 1949-2006

07-28-2006, 06:51 PM	#1
PrinceThrakha Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 9	Dear developers, Aall rangers out there including me are wondering... * Why did you nerf our DPS below assasins? * Why did you nerf our soloing abilities? * Why do we have to spend quadrilion plats on arrows and poisons when other classes get everything for free? (no the summoned arrows do not last long enough) * Why do you want our class to look bad and be less fun to play? * How are you gonna restore the confidence for our class? If you were reading the freakin threads in this forum forum you'ld notice every second post is asking for this! You did a good job programming this game, but then you just slap us in the face without any hint of as to why! 90% of the visitors to the ranger forum go there just to find the answers to these questions so please pay us some respect! Please put your excuse and redemption plan in the header of the forum for everyone to scrutinize, ok? Woodstick, 69 Ranger, Crushbone Server

07-28-2006, 06:59 PM	#2
Mirdo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 395	The dev's 'owe' us nothing. We can complain, whine, present logical and reasoned data, well constructed posts - it matters not. If they consider there's an issue they might put it on their huge list of things to do and inform us when they are ready. Although I believe there's an imbalance, to be perfectly honest, the state of this class is not a big issue for them. The only place the imbalance really shows up is in well constructed raids. That's a pretty low %age of unhappy people when compared to the overall health of the game and even the class. Posts like this are not going to get much attention from a Dev. M.

07-28-2006, 09:05 PM	#8
Ethelwo General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 212	They are free to ruin their own lands if they so desire. Rangers no longer have a place in this game because they dont want them to have a place. Thats the only conclusion you can draw. If you want to get all your master spells from L57 to L70 in this game you have to be evil aligned as the good aligned spells rarely ever drop and when they do the pirce is so high you cant afford them. That right there is a message of where the development teams head is at. They want everyone in the game to quit Qeynos and join Freeport and it doesnt matter what Freeport class you play you can count on the development team to hand everything to you with little or no work. You will have more dps, you will have more master spells and you will have the full support of the development team. Coarcers rock, Chanters suck Bruisers rock, Monks suck Dirges rock, Troubadors suck Assasins rock, rangers suck Inquisitors rock, Templars suck it goes on and on. get used to it.

07-28-2006, 09:15 PM	#9
KnightOfTheWo General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 304	LoreLady wrote: Mirdo wrote:The dev's 'owe' us nothing. We can complain, whine, present logical and reasoned data, well constructed posts - it matters not. If they consider there's an issue they might put it on their huge list of things to do and inform us when they are ready. Although I believe there's an imbalance, to be perfectly honest, the state of this class is not a big issue for them. The only place the imbalance really shows up is in well constructed raids. That's a pretty low %age of unhappy people when compared to the overall health of the game and even the class. Posts like this are not going to get much attention from a Dev. M. True, by the time EoF comes out.. If I am not seeing ballance within my class I am moving on its that simple. It will show up on the charts on who is staying who is going.. Also, if I leave EQ2 im not going to be spreading the best opinions about the game cutting out several potential buyers. So far I talk about this game in praise, I leave I will tell people I stopped playing and why.. Ultimatly, it will have a large negitive effect on EQ2 than just acouple of rangers leaving.And I think that the OP is just mad because theres nothing on test. Message Edited by LoreLady on 07-28-2006 08:24 AM Message Edited by LoreLady on 07-28-2006 08:24 AM This honestly isn't meant to be a flame. I'm just confused. Are you saying that if you, personally leave EQ2, it will cause some kind of domino effect with scores of other players leaving, and EQ2 as a whole will be crippled for all other players? I don't understand... __________________

07-28-2006, 09:17 PM	#10
Jay General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,137	The "evil classes rock, good classes suck" idea is ridiculous. Most of those you listed don't suck at all. (Monks, are you kidding me??) While I understand the frustration behind the OP, that's about the least likely method of getting a response that you can use. The Devs are unlikely to respond to angry demands; think of the precedent it would set. They're not going to show up like abashed children and listen to us admonish them for their wayward behavior. __________________

07-28-2006, 11:02 PM	#11
LoreLady Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,039	This honestly isn't meant to be a flame. I'm just confused. Are you saying that if you, personally leave EQ2, it will cause some kind of domino effect with scores of other players leaving, and EQ2 as a whole will be crippled for all other players? I don't understand... Dident mean for it to be a flame.. Just if I left the game, and people ask why.. There are less potential buyers. __________________ RIP Oakleaf 1949-2006

07-28-2006, 11:51 PM	#12
Nak General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 140	Coarcers rock, Chanters suck Bruisers rock, Monks suck Dirges rock, Troubadors suck Assasins rock, rangers suck Inquisitors rock, Templars suck it goes on and on. get used to it. What is this Coarcer class? Did you mean Coercer? if so, How can a coercer rock, if an enchanter sucks? As a coercer is an enchanter If it goes on and on, does this mean defilers "rock" and mystic's "suck"? Sk's "rock" and Paladins "suck "? If your going to post about things sucking and owning, the least you could do is to look up your classes and get your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] straight you nooblet

07-28-2006, 11:59 PM	#13
TaleraRis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 2,083	What's an explaination? __________________ Gwyneth Lecarde 90 Warty Arrow Flinger 90 Sword Shiner Najena Morgasand Ka'Bael 54 Roswellian Mind Scrambler 87 Shield Polisher Najena

07-29-2006, 12:29 AM	#14
griffit General Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 48	They don't owe us an explanation, though it sure as hell would be nice. Of course I don't know what they would say"Well guys, the Devs were sitting around the office one day and John said that if we made a marginal dps class with no utility that required a lot skill/effort to play and was also very expensive that there would still be people that would play it regardless. Well I disagreed, so we got to arguing and finally we made a bet. That was just before LU #20. Well thanks to Jay42 I am out 20 bucks to John."

07-29-2006, 06:05 AM	#15
BedlamX Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 81	Here is my 2 cp worth: I own and opperate my own business. I provide a service to my customers. If the level of my service is becoming sub standard I get questioned by my customers and If I dont want to lose those customers I give them the explanation they require or I lose them. I am the customer here and I for one deserve an explanation for a lack luster experience with their product. They can choose to not give one and thats ok but dont expect me to put up with it. Our biggest problem is that SOE has too many customers to care about a few thousand of us unfortunate ones. If a few of us leave big deal there are a few more around the corner. SOE will never care until it hurts their bottom line. Never the less I the customer deserve some answers. For those of you who feel you dont deserve answers have too much time and money to spend to care anyway. When a few thousand rangers quit overnight thats an impact they will look at. But who am I kidding that will never happen and SOE will ignor you forever.

07-29-2006, 08:11 AM	#16
Drainlo Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: here? Posts: 28	BedlamX wrote: Here is my 2 cp worth: I own and opperate my own business. I provide a service to my customers. If the level of my service is becoming sub standard I get questioned by my customers and If I dont want to lose those customers I give them the explanation they require or I lose them. I am the customer here and I for one deserve an explanation for a lack luster experience with their product. They can choose to not give one and thats ok but dont expect me to put up with it. Our biggest problem is that SOE has too many customers to care about a few thousand of us unfortunate ones. If a few of us leave big deal there are a few more around the corner. SOE will never care until it hurts their bottom line. Never the less I the customer deserve some answers. For those of you who feel you dont deserve answers have too much time and money to spend to care anyway. When a few thousand rangers quit overnight thats an impact they will look at. But who am I kidding that will never happen and SOE will ignor you forever. I agree. It's my opinion SOE cares nothing about its customers. __________________ signature?

07-30-2006, 05:18 AM	#17
Scarrlette Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 135	It's silly to think that the devs are purposely messing over any class. They want all the classes to play as they intended them too, it may or may not be what all the players want, but such is life. Devs don't typically respond well to demands. The only thing that they owe anyone, is to do their job to the best of their ability. And, as stated in the forum rules, things that devs are mostly likely not going to respond to: Threads addressed to a “Red Name” or "devs." If we responded to them, then you would see hundreds of posts trying to get our attention this way. Threads with a name in the title will almost never see an official response. And with that, I'm going to have to lock this thread. __________________