So, a ranger that doesnt use his bow?

lus · 03-02-2006, 02:11 PM

Well, I finally talked my friend to join me in eq2 since we are both fed up with wow. He played a hunter there and back in daoc he played a scout, basicly, he loves the class.Anyways, the thing is that he can barely use his bow when soloing due the mobs getting to him at once and evenso he has far better attacks as a melee than in range.I've been reading a bit about rangers but dont really get the touch of it. Are rangers a melee class with a decent range ability? or whats up?

justright · 03-02-2006, 02:17 PM

lusse wrote:Well, I finally talked my friend to join me in eq2 since we are both fed up with wow. He played a hunter there and back in daoc he played a scout, basicly, he loves the class.Anyways, the thing is that he can barely use his bow when soloing due the mobs getting to him at once and evenso he has far better attacks as a melee than in range.I've been reading a bit about rangers but dont really get the touch of it. Are rangers a melee class with a decent range ability? or whats up?

To tell you the truth, no one knows atm. They completely messed us up in the last update and have given no indication about their view on the result.So any reply to this question would be pure speculation.

Carna · 03-02-2006, 02:21 PM

In WoW the devs test class changes before they roll them out, and actually on occassion respond to customer feedback and change implementation before release if customer consensus suggests the devs may have gone awry.

In EQ2, somebody at SOE has a bright idea on monday morning. It on the test server on Friday... which is to test for code that will take a server down, crash the client etc., it's obviously not for testing balance issues, as they have people that will pay them to test that... on the next Friday the "bright idea" is on the live servers.... 6 months later, after a broad consensus of the playerbase consistently tell SOE that said bright idea might actually have been an incredibly good idea, it gets rolled back.

Have you played an SOE game before?... I'm thinking of going back and trying the new content in the WoW expansion myself. There's always DnD online to check out too.

Loktha · 03-02-2006, 02:27 PM

This came straight from wikipedia.

Rangers tend to be skilled warriors with dark personalities. Often rangers are veterans of wars, or have lived in the woods their entire lives. They tend to be rather stoic, accepting what fate throws at them rather than rage against it. In many stories or games where elves exist, elves are (or would be) the best rangers due to their natural way of life.

Rangers tend to be poor soldiers due to not often dealing with people. Their perception and cunning are better suited as a front-line leader (Lieutenant - Captain) or as a solo fighter against a small number (1-3) of fighters at a time.

Rangers skills in books and games can include and are not limited to:

Skilled with the bow, usually because they use them so often, for the hunting of wild animals. It has been noted that this might also be a play on their seclusion: they would rather be far away from things rather than close.
They tend to be well versed in other forms of combat however, most notably dual-wielding short swords or long knives. In Dungeons and Dragons 3.0, rangers get a free feat for dual-wielding weapons. This has been changed in 3.5 to make it an option instead.
Stealth
Detecting or laying traps
Taming, calming or charming animals
Tracking and leaving no trail to be tracked
Knowledge of herbs for medical and poisonous uses
The art of healing (magical or medical) due to their self reliance
Land and nature related magic and enchantments or the ability to recognize them or resistance to them
In some definitions, rangers may have some understanding of the divine arts, though not as great an understanding as that of a druid. Rangers' connection to druids is often compared to that of clerics and paladins; the one being a magic-user, the other more of a martial artist, but both still sharing mutual interests.

lus · 03-02-2006, 02:40 PM

I played eq1 for a few years as a monk, therefor I play a monk here too. WoW is not a better game in any way. They are different and shouldnt be compared but the fact that all that wow is about is pure grind of factions and honor. In eq1 for example, you do grind, but you get AA at the same time. In wow, you get 0 until you reach exalted and then you get your reward, which will most likely suck cause it took you so long that way better items are now out.When the expansion gets here, i'll pick up my priest again (he's geared from top to toe with epics from mc and bwl, wont bother with aq) and bring to 70 just to try it out, but the game itself feels old and boring. The pvp in wow is non-existant as its all about battlegrounds, in eq2 world pvp is at its best and beats wow in any way cause of that reason. Now, I wont make this trhread that was about rangers into a eq2 vs wow but its hard not too SMILEY

anyways, so what people are saying is that rangers arent as skilled with bows as they should be? Can a ranger kill something with range only? or atleast snaring/rooting in melee so he can go back in range? or is it all about melee?

KudLenka · 03-02-2006, 02:48 PM

My ranger is half/half - i can get most mobs (one v or no v) of same level near half their health bar with my bow (T3 legendary imbued) - except for few really fast enemies i can fire off two ranged CAs. then other half i can melee or i can use cheap shot, back off a bit and fire another ranged CA. Or i can kite with the autoattack which takes longer and consumes expensive arrows but when i want, i can in many instances use bow only - its just not the most effective way. My ranger is only lvl 28 now so it may change later on - considering the combat arts available on high levels, rangers still have many powerfull bow attacks. With the achievement abilities, you can even use point blank shot with a bow which stuns opponent giving you another chance to back off and use ranged CAs

Dojoc · 03-02-2006, 03:41 PM

is a fragged CYLON SMILEY

Ranja · 03-02-2006, 09:57 PM

lusse wrote:Well, I finally talked my friend to join me in eq2 since we are both fed up with wow. He played a hunter there and back in daoc he played a scout, basicly, he loves the class.Anyways, the thing is that he can barely use his bow when soloing due the mobs getting to him at once and evenso he has far better attacks as a melee than in range.I've been reading a bit about rangers but dont really get the touch of it. Are rangers a melee class with a decent range ability? or whats up?

Waht level is he? A ranger does not feel very rangery until about 28 when he gets several nice bow attacks. Until then his melee attacks are as powerful if not more so than the couple of bow attacks he has. Yes we were nerfed bad but at level 61, I ahve at least 10 bow attacks I can think of while I only have 4 melee attacks of worth. So the higher you get the more you will use your bow.

Elbryan61 Ranger

Star · 03-02-2006, 10:13 PM

lusse wrote:anyways, so what people are saying is that rangers arent as skilled with bows as they should be? Can a ranger kill something with range only? or atleast snaring/rooting in melee so he can go back in range? or is it all about melee?

At 63 I can take a mob entirely ranged doing what I've heard people on the forums call "Half Kiting". Basically hit the mob with a big hit then snare it. Stun, back up, shoot a CA. When stun breaks kite the mob with ranged AA till the stun recycles. Once it's back up stun, back peddle, Ranged CA. It's a pain if you ask me.

I can also get away with a repeated stuns and the use of thorny trap, but you don't get thorny trap till 52. I dunno, right now the solo game is anoying to say the least. I've always hated kiting myself and never did it before this LU, now I feel like I have to to be able to solo at a decent rate. And that's against no arrow and down arrow mobs.

03-02-2006, 02:27 PM	#4
Loktha Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 6	This came straight from wikipedia. Rangers tend to be skilled warriors with dark personalities. Often rangers are veterans of wars, or have lived in the woods their entire lives. They tend to be rather stoic, accepting what fate throws at them rather than rage against it. In many stories or games where elves exist, elves are (or would be) the best rangers due to their natural way of life. Rangers tend to be poor soldiers due to not often dealing with people. Their perception and cunning are better suited as a front-line leader (Lieutenant - Captain) or as a solo fighter against a small number (1-3) of fighters at a time. Rangers skills in books and games can include and are not limited to: Skilled with the bow, usually because they use them so often, for the hunting of wild animals. It has been noted that this might also be a play on their seclusion: they would rather be far away from things rather than close. They tend to be well versed in other forms of combat however, most notably dual-wielding short swords or long knives. In Dungeons and Dragons 3.0, rangers get a free feat for dual-wielding weapons. This has been changed in 3.5 to make it an option instead. Stealth Detecting or laying traps Taming, calming or charming animals Tracking and leaving no trail to be tracked Knowledge of herbs for medical and poisonous uses The art of healing (magical or medical) due to their self reliance Land and nature related magic and enchantments or the ability to recognize them or resistance to them In some definitions, rangers may have some understanding of the divine arts, though not as great an understanding as that of a druid. Rangers' connection to druids is often compared to that of clerics and paladins; the one being a magic-user, the other more of a martial artist, but both still sharing mutual interests.

03-02-2006, 02:40 PM	#5
lus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8	I played eq1 for a few years as a monk, therefor I play a monk here too. WoW is not a better game in any way. They are different and shouldnt be compared but the fact that all that wow is about is pure grind of factions and honor. In eq1 for example, you do grind, but you get AA at the same time. In wow, you get 0 until you reach exalted and then you get your reward, which will most likely suck cause it took you so long that way better items are now out.When the expansion gets here, i'll pick up my priest again (he's geared from top to toe with epics from mc and bwl, wont bother with aq) and bring to 70 just to try it out, but the game itself feels old and boring. The pvp in wow is non-existant as its all about battlegrounds, in eq2 world pvp is at its best and beats wow in any way cause of that reason. Now, I wont make this trhread that was about rangers into a eq2 vs wow but its hard not too anyways, so what people are saying is that rangers arent as skilled with bows as they should be? Can a ranger kill something with range only? or atleast snaring/rooting in melee so he can go back in range? or is it all about melee?

03-02-2006, 02:48 PM	#6
KudLenka Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 100	My ranger is half/half - i can get most mobs (one v or no v) of same level near half their health bar with my bow (T3 legendary imbued) - except for few really fast enemies i can fire off two ranged CAs. then other half i can melee or i can use cheap shot, back off a bit and fire another ranged CA. Or i can kite with the autoattack which takes longer and consumes expensive arrows but when i want, i can in many instances use bow only - its just not the most effective way. My ranger is only lvl 28 now so it may change later on - considering the combat arts available on high levels, rangers still have many powerfull bow attacks. With the achievement abilities, you can even use point blank shot with a bow which stuns opponent giving you another chance to back off and use ranged CAs __________________

03-02-2006, 09:57 PM	#8
Ranja Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,657	lusse wrote:Well, I finally talked my friend to join me in eq2 since we are both fed up with wow. He played a hunter there and back in daoc he played a scout, basicly, he loves the class.Anyways, the thing is that he can barely use his bow when soloing due the mobs getting to him at once and evenso he has far better attacks as a melee than in range.I've been reading a bit about rangers but dont really get the touch of it. Are rangers a melee class with a decent range ability? or whats up? Waht level is he? A ranger does not feel very rangery until about 28 when he gets several nice bow attacks. Until then his melee attacks are as powerful if not more so than the couple of bow attacks he has. Yes we were nerfed bad but at level 61, I ahve at least 10 bow attacks I can think of while I only have 4 melee attacks of worth. So the higher you get the more you will use your bow. Elbryan61 Ranger __________________ Elbryan, 90 Half-elf Ranger Thoghmor, 70 Troll Bruiser Rotir, 90 Dark Elf Swash Terrano, 82 Dark Elf Dirge Aymon, 90, Barbarian Shadowknight The Destroyer of Worlds: http://s7.gladiatus.com/game/c.php?uid=84341

03-02-2006, 10:13 PM	#9
Star Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 481	lusse wrote:anyways, so what people are saying is that rangers arent as skilled with bows as they should be? Can a ranger kill something with range only? or atleast snaring/rooting in melee so he can go back in range? or is it all about melee? At 63 I can take a mob entirely ranged doing what I've heard people on the forums call "Half Kiting". Basically hit the mob with a big hit then snare it. Stun, back up, shoot a CA. When stun breaks kite the mob with ranged AA till the stun recycles. Once it's back up stun, back peddle, Ranged CA. It's a pain if you ask me. I can also get away with a repeated stuns and the use of thorny trap, but you don't get thorny trap till 52. I dunno, right now the solo game is anoying to say the least. I've always hated kiting myself and never did it before this LU, now I feel like I have to to be able to solo at a decent rate. And that's against no arrow and down arrow mobs. __________________

03-02-2006, 02:11 PM	#1
lus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8	Well, I finally talked my friend to join me in eq2 since we are both fed up with wow. He played a hunter there and back in daoc he played a scout, basicly, he loves the class.Anyways, the thing is that he can barely use his bow when soloing due the mobs getting to him at once and evenso he has far better attacks as a melee than in range.I've been reading a bit about rangers but dont really get the touch of it. Are rangers a melee class with a decent range ability? or whats up?

03-02-2006, 02:17 PM	#2
justright Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 94	lusse wrote:Well, I finally talked my friend to join me in eq2 since we are both fed up with wow. He played a hunter there and back in daoc he played a scout, basicly, he loves the class.Anyways, the thing is that he can barely use his bow when soloing due the mobs getting to him at once and evenso he has far better attacks as a melee than in range.I've been reading a bit about rangers but dont really get the touch of it. Are rangers a melee class with a decent range ability? or whats up? To tell you the truth, no one knows atm. They completely messed us up in the last update and have given no indication about their view on the result.So any reply to this question would be pure speculation.

03-02-2006, 02:21 PM	#3
Carna Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 515	In WoW the devs test class changes before they roll them out, and actually on occassion respond to customer feedback and change implementation before release if customer consensus suggests the devs may have gone awry. In EQ2, somebody at SOE has a bright idea on monday morning. It on the test server on Friday... which is to test for code that will take a server down, crash the client etc., it's obviously not for testing balance issues, as they have people that will pay them to test that... on the next Friday the "bright idea" is on the live servers.... 6 months later, after a broad consensus of the playerbase consistently tell SOE that said bright idea might actually have been an incredibly good idea, it gets rolled back. Have you played an SOE game before?... I'm thinking of going back and trying the new content in the WoW expansion myself. There's always DnD online to check out too.

03-02-2006, 03:41 PM	#7
Dojoc General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 252	is a fragged CYLON