Will we lose cheap shot and evasion?

littleman17 · 01-31-2006, 12:53 AM

You know those hella useful scout class skills that I use almost every fight?

Cheap shot allows me to use my back attacks during solo fights and stun heroic just as they are about to use a skill.

Evasion allows me to switch my HO in solo and has saved my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] many times while out with a tank that can't hold aggro well.

With the upcoming revamp, all scout skills will be wiped out replaced with new ones? Will we get our own new versions of these two useful skills?

Deml · 01-31-2006, 01:47 AM

I would assume we keep both of them. Cheap shot is an essential skill for a lot of rangers, especially at lower levels (pre 30ish). If they do anything with Elude, I hope it's that they give it a longer range so it might actually be used at the higher levels.

Lysanthir Ahmquissar · 01-31-2006, 01:37 PM

I can't imagine them removing Cheap Shot as it is really important for any solo player.

supersupervisor · 01-31-2006, 01:48 PM

yes. but if SOE ever wants to pull streight the classes for PVP (dont eat me - im not saying its right) they will have to get rid of cheap shot. its just too great a skill and makes the scout quitte invinsible. perhaps they can make it like charm: not when citizen of Queynos - Freeport or City betrayer. so it wouldnt be use-able in PVP but it would be in soloing. allso - they could give us one with a longer cast time and a longer stun time. anyways. beeing a ranger. i think SOE should keep our one and only stun alive. or give us a new one SMILEY

xandez · 01-31-2006, 02:18 PM

supersupervisor wrote:
yes. but if SOE ever wants to pull streight the classes for PVP (dont eat me - im not saying its right) they will have to get rid of cheap shot. its just too great a skill and makes the scout quitte invinsible.Well lotsa other classes have stuns and some classes have their means of breaking the stuns or making them immune to stuns... I think cheapshot is far from too good, especially since its our only stun.perhaps they can make it like charm: not when citizen of Queynos - Freeport or City betrayer. so it wouldnt be use-able in PVP but it would be in soloing. allso - they could give us one with a longer cast time and a longer stun time. anyways. beeing a ranger. i think SOE should keep our one and only stun alive. or give us a new one I think it will be kept alive, if not... bleh.What comes for PvP, they are making some adjustements regarding PvP dmg etc, so i think they will consider stuns also when they do that.

++Xan

supersupervisor · 01-31-2006, 04:34 PM

ah yeah? well about 2 classes i know can get resistant to stun (i probably know lots not but meh) which are templar and shadowknight - at the time they have been able to activate that we can have cheapshotted em 6 times (0.5s cast i believe). then its triple arrow - sharp shot and baybay matey (if ye have a decent bow - poison - arrows - and spell lvl). OFC they can pre-activat these skills - without a doubt ey can, i cant say anything to that, but thats 2 classes who can get resistant - 22 to go....(mebbe less if im wrong). by that - I didnt say theyd kill cheap shot - littleman did...im only sugegsting stuff...

well - if they loose cheap shot i think stiffle stun poisons will get helluvalot more populair SMILEY ..(regardless rangers will still be quitte uber in duels - but o well....)

Mentla · 01-31-2006, 05:55 PM

Lysanthir Ahmquissar wrote:
I can't imagine them removing Cheap Shot as it is really important for any solo player.

Um, are you familiar with SOE? That should read: I can't imagine them NOT removing Cheap Shot as it is really important for any solo player.

Racmo · 01-31-2006, 07:00 PM

There's a revamp coming?

RedArcher · 01-31-2006, 07:23 PM

Nooooo... not Cheap Shot. I wont make it thru a fight without that. hehe SMILEY

Bayler_x · 01-31-2006, 07:30 PM

According to a dev post in the alchemy forums, they'll be introducing stun/stifle break potions.

Quillian Feetfa · 01-31-2006, 10:59 PM

littleman17 wrote:
You know those hella useful scout class skills that I use almost every fight?

Cheap shot allows me to use my back attacks during solo fights and stun heroic just as they are about to use a skill.

Evasion allows me to switch my HO in solo and has saved my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] many times while out with a tank that can't hold aggro well.

With the upcoming revamp, all scout skills will be wiped out replaced with new ones? Will we get our own new versions of these two useful skills?

I must have missed this, but where does it say the Scout skills will be wiped out?

Marcuzs · 01-31-2006, 11:41 PM

No we don't lose either skill. However they are renamed so the icon on your hotbars after this change goes live will not work till you replace it with the one in you skills book. At least thats the way it is for cheap shot, cant say for evasion since I use Elude.

JackBurtonBTLC · 02-01-2006, 07:00 AM

I agree, I never saw anything that said, hey btw were changing all the "skill and spell lines" I don't think cheap shot is in any danger of being removed. If it was I would be shocked silly, as my scout type REQUIRES it to solo well.

Cron · 02-01-2006, 06:48 PM

What they are talking about is the fact that all scouts will get distinct skills for their own line starting on the island. What they are asking is, will the scouts all have a stun named more towards their line (maybe working somewhat differently) or are they dropping it for something else, etc.All your spells will be wiped from 1-20 as you won't be a scout/predator anymore. You will start out a Ranger. As for those of us who are high-level, Cheap Shot is the only one that would affect us.

mengal · 02-01-2006, 10:35 PM

I had leveled a ranger on the test server to 8, i dont remember having a cheap shot.

but its been a few weeks since i logged into it.

littleman17 · 02-02-2006, 12:08 AM

I meant the evasion line as a whole... I can't tell you how many times this combined with the surveil line has saved my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] in a heroic fight... Some tanks just aren't equiped with the taunting power to hold aggro after I unleash a single triple shot... hell I have pulled aggro with a single flaming shot...

Jay · 02-02-2006, 01:32 AM

LOL, of course they're not going to wipe out whole spell lines, regardless of when they originated. That'd be ridiculous. Cheap Shot will probably just get a different name for the post-20 version, but I've seen nothing that indicates any changes to characters over 20 besides possible cosmetic updates (renamed skills).

xandez · 02-02-2006, 12:54 PM

supersupervisor wrote:
ah yeah? well about 2 classes i know can get resistant to stun (i probably know lots not but meh) which are templar and shadowknight - at the time they have been able to activate that we can have cheapshotted em 6 times (0.5s cast i believe). then its triple arrow - sharp shot and baybay matey (if ye have a decent bow - poison - arrows - and spell lvl).
Try duelling with a bruiser / zerker / assassin... You'll find out that our stun is not that bad
OFC they can pre-activat these skills - without a doubt ey can, i cant say anything to that, but thats 2 classes who can get resistant - 22 to go....(mebbe less if im wrong).
You might be correct... But cheap shot is not THE stun ya know, nor its THE thingy in PvP. We dont even need to be stunned in order to loose a duel. Just root us and we are dead meat (of course after that you'd have to stay close and finish us before the root wears off).
Besides, IF they dont change stuns/roots/stifles for PvP use... eheh, it will get very boring very soon
(regardless rangers will still be quitte uber in duels - but o well....)
Yeah, we are quite nice, but we are also quite vulnerable compared to some other classes...

and what comes to the cheap shot itself, like many others above have said, were NOT gonna lose it.++Xan

Message Edited by xandez on 02-02-200609:56 AM

01-31-2006, 12:53 AM	#1
littleman17 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 675	You know those hella useful scout class skills that I use almost every fight? Cheap shot allows me to use my back attacks during solo fights and stun heroic just as they are about to use a skill. Evasion allows me to switch my HO in solo and has saved my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] many times while out with a tank that can't hold aggro well. With the upcoming revamp, all scout skills will be wiped out replaced with new ones? Will we get our own new versions of these two useful skills? __________________ Faynar: Level 71 Ranger Daynar: Level 57 Bruiser Tulnar: Level 61 Necromancer Kulnar: Level 50 Templar Bronar: Level 43 Paladin Vronar: Level 40 Defiler Everfrost FTW!

01-31-2006, 01:47 AM	#2
Deml Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 324	I would assume we keep both of them. Cheap shot is an essential skill for a lot of rangers, especially at lower levels (pre 30ish). If they do anything with Elude, I hope it's that they give it a longer range so it might actually be used at the higher levels. __________________

01-31-2006, 01:37 PM	#3
Lysanthir Ahmquissar Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: England, UK Posts: 41	I can't imagine them removing Cheap Shot as it is really important for any solo player. __________________ Lady Lysanthir Ahmquissar Ranger and Jeweller Extraordinaire Band of Brothers, Splitpaw

01-31-2006, 01:48 PM	#4
supersupervisor Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 63	yes. but if SOE ever wants to pull streight the classes for PVP (dont eat me - im not saying its right) they will have to get rid of cheap shot. its just too great a skill and makes the scout quitte invinsible. perhaps they can make it like charm: not when citizen of Queynos - Freeport or City betrayer. so it wouldnt be use-able in PVP but it would be in soloing. allso - they could give us one with a longer cast time and a longer stun time. anyways. beeing a ranger. i think SOE should keep our one and only stun alive. or give us a new one __________________ Angelofpain 70 Conjuror Splitpaw server Angeloftears 70 Warlock Splitpaw server Darknesses 60 Ranger Splitpaw server Flywithme 51 Berzerker Splitpaw server Fireforged 63 swashbuckler Darathar server Iceforged 25 monk Darathar Server

01-31-2006, 02:18 PM	#5
xandez Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,044	supersupervisor wrote: yes. but if SOE ever wants to pull streight the classes for PVP (dont eat me - im not saying its right) they will have to get rid of cheap shot. its just too great a skill and makes the scout quitte invinsible.Well lotsa other classes have stuns and some classes have their means of breaking the stuns or making them immune to stuns... I think cheapshot is far from too good, especially since its our only stun.perhaps they can make it like charm: not when citizen of Queynos - Freeport or City betrayer. so it wouldnt be use-able in PVP but it would be in soloing. allso - they could give us one with a longer cast time and a longer stun time. anyways. beeing a ranger. i think SOE should keep our one and only stun alive. or give us a new one I think it will be kept alive, if not... bleh.What comes for PvP, they are making some adjustements regarding PvP dmg etc, so i think they will consider stuns also when they do that. ++Xan __________________ One can survive everything, nowadays, except death, and live down everything except a good reputation.

01-31-2006, 04:34 PM	#6
supersupervisor Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 63	ah yeah? well about 2 classes i know can get resistant to stun (i probably know lots not but meh) which are templar and shadowknight - at the time they have been able to activate that we can have cheapshotted em 6 times (0.5s cast i believe). then its triple arrow - sharp shot and baybay matey (if ye have a decent bow - poison - arrows - and spell lvl). OFC they can pre-activat these skills - without a doubt ey can, i cant say anything to that, but thats 2 classes who can get resistant - 22 to go....(mebbe less if im wrong). by that - I didnt say theyd kill cheap shot - littleman did...im only sugegsting stuff... well - if they loose cheap shot i think stiffle stun poisons will get helluvalot more populair ..(regardless rangers will still be quitte uber in duels - but o well....) __________________ Angelofpain 70 Conjuror Splitpaw server Angeloftears 70 Warlock Splitpaw server Darknesses 60 Ranger Splitpaw server Flywithme 51 Berzerker Splitpaw server Fireforged 63 swashbuckler Darathar server Iceforged 25 monk Darathar Server

01-31-2006, 05:55 PM	#7
Mentla Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 682	Lysanthir Ahmquissar wrote: I can't imagine them removing Cheap Shot as it is really important for any solo player. Um, are you familiar with SOE? That should read: I can't imagine them NOT removing Cheap Shot as it is really important for any solo player. __________________

01-31-2006, 07:00 PM	#8
Racmo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 126	There's a revamp coming?

01-31-2006, 07:23 PM	#9
RedArcher Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 48	Nooooo... not Cheap Shot. I wont make it thru a fight without that. hehe

01-31-2006, 07:30 PM	#10
Bayler_x General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 415	According to a dev post in the alchemy forums, they'll be introducing stun/stifle break potions. __________________ Lokimor Human Coercer / Sage Venekor

01-31-2006, 10:59 PM	#11
Quillian Feetfa Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Elmore, OH Posts: 98	littleman17 wrote: You know those hella useful scout class skills that I use almost every fight? Cheap shot allows me to use my back attacks during solo fights and stun heroic just as they are about to use a skill. Evasion allows me to switch my HO in solo and has saved my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] many times while out with a tank that can't hold aggro well. With the upcoming revamp, all scout skills will be wiped out replaced with new ones? Will we get our own new versions of these two useful skills? I must have missed this, but where does it say the Scout skills will be wiped out? __________________

01-31-2006, 11:41 PM	#12
Marcuzs Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 164	No we don't lose either skill. However they are renamed so the icon on your hotbars after this change goes live will not work till you replace it with the one in you skills book. At least thats the way it is for cheap shot, cant say for evasion since I use Elude. __________________

02-01-2006, 07:00 AM	#13
JackBurtonBTLC Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 207	I agree, I never saw anything that said, hey btw were changing all the "skill and spell lines" I don't think cheap shot is in any danger of being removed. If it was I would be shocked silly, as my scout type REQUIRES it to solo well.

02-01-2006, 06:48 PM	#14
Cron General Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 170	What they are talking about is the fact that all scouts will get distinct skills for their own line starting on the island. What they are asking is, will the scouts all have a stun named more towards their line (maybe working somewhat differently) or are they dropping it for something else, etc.All your spells will be wiped from 1-20 as you won't be a scout/predator anymore. You will start out a Ranger. As for those of us who are high-level, Cheap Shot is the only one that would affect us. __________________

02-01-2006, 10:35 PM	#15
mengal Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14	I had leveled a ranger on the test server to 8, i dont remember having a cheap shot. but its been a few weeks since i logged into it.

02-02-2006, 12:08 AM	#16
littleman17 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 675	I meant the evasion line as a whole... I can't tell you how many times this combined with the surveil line has saved my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] in a heroic fight... Some tanks just aren't equiped with the taunting power to hold aggro after I unleash a single triple shot... hell I have pulled aggro with a single flaming shot... __________________ Faynar: Level 71 Ranger Daynar: Level 57 Bruiser Tulnar: Level 61 Necromancer Kulnar: Level 50 Templar Bronar: Level 43 Paladin Vronar: Level 40 Defiler Everfrost FTW!

02-02-2006, 01:32 AM	#17
Jay General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,137	LOL, of course they're not going to wipe out whole spell lines, regardless of when they originated. That'd be ridiculous. Cheap Shot will probably just get a different name for the post-20 version, but I've seen nothing that indicates any changes to characters over 20 besides possible cosmetic updates (renamed skills). __________________

02-02-2006, 12:54 PM	#18
xandez Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,044	supersupervisor wrote: ah yeah? well about 2 classes i know can get resistant to stun (i probably know lots not but meh) which are templar and shadowknight - at the time they have been able to activate that we can have cheapshotted em 6 times (0.5s cast i believe). then its triple arrow - sharp shot and baybay matey (if ye have a decent bow - poison - arrows - and spell lvl). Try duelling with a bruiser / zerker / assassin... You'll find out that our stun is not that bad OFC they can pre-activat these skills - without a doubt ey can, i cant say anything to that, but thats 2 classes who can get resistant - 22 to go....(mebbe less if im wrong). You might be correct... But cheap shot is not THE stun ya know, nor its THE thingy in PvP. We dont even need to be stunned in order to loose a duel. Just root us and we are dead meat (of course after that you'd have to stay close and finish us before the root wears off). Besides, IF they dont change stuns/roots/stifles for PvP use... eheh, it will get very boring very soon (regardless rangers will still be quitte uber in duels - but o well....) Yeah, we are quite nice, but we are also quite vulnerable compared to some other classes... and what comes to the cheap shot itself, like many others above have said, were NOT gonna lose it.++Xan Message Edited by xandez on 02-02-200609:56 AM __________________ One can survive everything, nowadays, except death, and live down everything except a good reputation.