Just Came back! I'm Lost Plse Help.....

cucumbe · 12-18-2005, 07:58 PM

I am a level 31 Ranger, I haven't played since launch, what has changed? Any ideas as to what moves are best to use would help really good.... and what about solo quests at my level? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

xandez · 12-18-2005, 09:59 PM

Well a LOT has changed... spell lvls actually mean something now (adept3 is always better than adept1, from the same spell/CA of course)

Spells / CAs no longer grow with you and they no longer have con colors, except white = you can use the spell, red = cannot use it, grey = you have a more powerful version in your book already, pls use it SMILEY
(some self buffs mainly are still better with eg. master 1 than the newer spell versions as adept1)

Same thing with armour, white means you can use it, red = you cant, grey = dunno exactly but i think its not good if you wear grey armor (not sure does it affect mitigation / avoidance?)

We also got stances, offensive stance for bow attacks (which i recommend), defensive stance (to be used in tougher melee battles) and melee offensive stance (i never use this, but i suppose it has its uses, mainly if ya like to melee a lot)

Our snares actually work now, we have also nice snaring CA:s (hmm from lvl 44 (?) leg shot) and our backshot attacks (culling the herd and better, lvl 40+ anyway) Also lvl 52 thorny trap is a group root, which makes some dmg when it lands. The higher lvl ranger has some nice CA:s, so its worthvile to make some lvls SMILEY

I sugges you clear your hotkeys and fool around somewhere to learn things again, since the whole combat thingy is changed a lot. Basically we do the same things as before, start with bow attacks and finish with melee. Kiting is also possible, some say its not as viable as before, some (like me) say its has as much or even more potential than before, go figure SMILEY

But, read some threads from the ranger forum here... im sure you'll find great info there.

Soloareas.. hmm well they kinda have made most areas a lot more solo friendly. Like TS, and EL for example. I'd recommend EL for you definitely, it has some quests to do (some nice soloquest line also) and lotsa solo mobs.

Hope this helps atleast some.

++Xan

Message Edited by xandez on 12-18-2005 07:01 PM

Bayler_x · 12-19-2005, 12:59 AM

Also, if you didn't use poisons before, you'll definitely want to start now; poisons are a *huge* part of ranger damage output. Use EQ2Alchemy to browse, talk to some alchemists, or just search on the broker. Combat arts that put us into stealth now automatically turn off autoattack. Tracking shows a dot where your target is on your map. Shards are gone. When you die, you just lose a small amount of xp, take damage to your equipment, and lose your poison/totem effects. Food isn't cancelled by death though. Speaking of food, different foods now give stat bonuses. Fish is for AGI, I think. Steaks are for STR. That's all I remember; but you can inspect foods and find out what they do. You can sell stuff while offline by putting it in your house vault. You can access it by clicking on your door from within your house. You'll need a market bulletinboard to sell, too.

cucumbe · 12-19-2005, 03:09 AM

awesome thanks for the answers.... What about Quests? My armor is pretty old, are there any solo quests i could do to get some better stuff?

jarlaxle8 · 12-19-2005, 03:19 PM

i think one very important change for Rangers (or scouts in general): Cheap Shot for the win! :smileyvery-happy: it now stuns all mobs without up arrows for the full 6 seconds, and others for 2 seconds (read description of spell). pretty important when soloing. pull the mob with big bow hits, some more while it is charging you. then debuff - cheap shot it, back up, pump in some more arrows (or do some backstabbing).

check out your offencive and defensive stance. they can be toggled, either one or the other (or none of both). with my defensive stance i can get my avoidance to 60%. with the offensive i can kick butt. :smileywink: the mellee one is the level 18 offensive stance. when you get the upgraded ones that one is not worth using anymore imo. you may have a ranged proc instead of mellee proc on the higher ones, but your mellee (and bow) skills get a greater increase with the higher offencive stances.

'Hunt' now is the only stealth skill for general out of combat use. it scales to your level, so it never will grey out.

the deaggro CA 'Evade' now has a whole CA line. so you will get upgraded versions of that skill every 14 levels as well.

the 'Makeshift Arrows' skill now has a whole line too. the higher ones make higher arrows.

some bow combat arts can't be used while moving anymore. but (i think) they increased the range on the bow arts. and damage / cast time / recast time has been adjusted.

as xandez said, clear the hotbars and check out the skills when filling the bars again.

stun poison (Touch of the Beholder) is very useful on tough mobs.

another thing is that avoidance is now influenced by the armor type. heavier armor gives less avoidance. although it may not be much.

the con system of the mobs has changed a bit. now some heroics are ^^^. epics are ^^^ as well, but are marked as 'epic x 2' (or x3 or x4).

don't have any gear quest tips for you. i tend to buy most stuff, and just do quests as i go along; so i end up selling most rewards.

well, that's all which comes to mind now. hope it helps and welcome back :smileyhappy:

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Ryilan Nightbreeze
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cucumbe · 12-19-2005, 08:12 PM

I can't seem to find my defensive stances, what are they called?

Dasanhgul · 12-19-2005, 08:34 PM

http://www.freewebs.com/ryokousha/Games/EQ2/eq2-class-progression-tables.html

(1 SMILEY Survival Instincts --> (32) Adroit --> (46) Dance of Leaves --> (60) Dance of Trees

jarlaxle8 · 12-19-2005, 08:35 PM

cumbom wrote:
I can't seem to find my defensive stances, what are they called?

the first in the defensive stance line is 'Survival Instincts' (lvl1 SMILEY

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to inform yourself what spells/CAs are around, check these lists. you can find em under 'Classes' of eq2players.com (as well as all CAs/spells of any class). to the right of these pages you have the classes listed under 'Careers'.

http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/index.vm?classId=31
http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/index.vm?classId=38
http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/index.vm?classId=39

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Ryilan Nightbreeze
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edit: lol. been beaten to it :smileyvery-happy:

Message Edited by jarlaxle888 on 12-19-2005 04:39 PM

Dasanhgul · 12-19-2005, 08:42 PM

I trust Vyaelin's EQ2 Class Skill Progression Tables more than I do any Spell List that comes out of EQ2Players...

Once again, here ya go:

http://www.freewebs.com/ryokousha/Games/EQ2/eq2-class-progression-tables.html

jarlaxle8 · 12-19-2005, 08:51 PM

Dasanhgul wrote:

I trust Vyaelin's EQ2 Class Skill Progression Tables more than I do any Spell List that comes out of EQ2Players...

Once again, here ya go:

http://www.freewebs.com/ryokousha/Games/EQ2/eq2-class-progression-tables.html

probably a question of having more options to look something up. and what class you are/want to be. not all classes are in that list (yet).

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Ryilan Nightbreeze
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Message Edited by jarlaxle888 on 12-19-2005 04:52 PM

Dasanhgul · 12-19-2005, 08:59 PM

jarlaxle888 wrote:

Dasanhgul wrote:

I trust Vyaelin's EQ2 Class Skill Progression Tables more than I do any Spell List that comes out of EQ2Players...

Once again, here ya go:

http://www.freewebs.com/ryokousha/Games/EQ2/eq2-class-progression-tables.html

probably a question of having more options to look something up. and what class you are/want to be. not all classes are in that list (yet).

--------------------------
Ryilan Nightbreeze
--------------------------

Message Edited by jarlaxle888 on 12-19-2005 04:52 PM

Ranger forum... its has the info rangers need.

:robottongue: to the other classes... peace out !

jarlaxle8 · 12-19-2005, 11:36 PM

Dasanhgul wrote:
Ranger forum... its has the info rangers need.

:robottongue: to the other classes... peace out !

he! i know Rangers rule. but give alts a chance, hehe :smileyvery-happy: anyway, i was just writing my post with the eq2player links when you posted. but i still thought it's good to submit my post anyway to give those listings too, cause they list em level wise; which in some cases may be prefered. -------------------------- Ryilan Nightbreeze --------------------------

Dasanhgul · 12-20-2005, 12:54 PM

jarlaxle888 wrote:

Dasanhgul wrote:

Ranger forum... its has the info rangers need.

:robottongue: to the other classes... peace out !

he! i know Rangers rule. but give alts a chance, hehe :smileyvery-happy:
anyway, i was just writing my post with the eq2player links when you posted. but i still thought it's good to submit my post anyway to give those listings too, cause they list em level wise; which in some cases may be prefered.

--------------------------
Ryilan Nightbreeze
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Great input... I dont know about the Ranger Spell list in EQ2Players, but for many other classes, spells are missing, wrong names, spells from other classes, just one big mess.

cucumbe · 12-21-2005, 08:34 PM

I was playing SWG, and when considering coming back to EQ2 the only reason I almost didn't was that I feel really bad giving SOE my money... I still do, its like rewarding a company for wasting your time! But what I have seen of EQ2 so far is making me happier.... Its evident that this game is basically a less cartooney version of WoW, and you know what, that is Aces with me! I am really enjoying this game now.

12-18-2005, 07:58 PM	#1
cucumbe Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19	I am a level 31 Ranger, I haven't played since launch, what has changed? Any ideas as to what moves are best to use would help really good.... and what about solo quests at my level? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! __________________

12-18-2005, 09:59 PM	#2
xandez Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,044	Well a LOT has changed... spell lvls actually mean something now (adept3 is always better than adept1, from the same spell/CA of course) Spells / CAs no longer grow with you and they no longer have con colors, except white = you can use the spell, red = cannot use it, grey = you have a more powerful version in your book already, pls use it (some self buffs mainly are still better with eg. master 1 than the newer spell versions as adept1) Same thing with armour, white means you can use it, red = you cant, grey = dunno exactly but i think its not good if you wear grey armor (not sure does it affect mitigation / avoidance?) We also got stances, offensive stance for bow attacks (which i recommend), defensive stance (to be used in tougher melee battles) and melee offensive stance (i never use this, but i suppose it has its uses, mainly if ya like to melee a lot) Our snares actually work now, we have also nice snaring CA:s (hmm from lvl 44 (?) leg shot) and our backshot attacks (culling the herd and better, lvl 40+ anyway) Also lvl 52 thorny trap is a group root, which makes some dmg when it lands. The higher lvl ranger has some nice CA:s, so its worthvile to make some lvls I sugges you clear your hotkeys and fool around somewhere to learn things again, since the whole combat thingy is changed a lot. Basically we do the same things as before, start with bow attacks and finish with melee. Kiting is also possible, some say its not as viable as before, some (like me) say its has as much or even more potential than before, go figure But, read some threads from the ranger forum here... im sure you'll find great info there. Soloareas.. hmm well they kinda have made most areas a lot more solo friendly. Like TS, and EL for example. I'd recommend EL for you definitely, it has some quests to do (some nice soloquest line also) and lotsa solo mobs. Hope this helps atleast some. ++Xan Message Edited by xandez on 12-18-2005 07:01 PM __________________ One can survive everything, nowadays, except death, and live down everything except a good reputation.

12-19-2005, 12:59 AM	#3
Bayler_x General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 415	Also, if you didn't use poisons before, you'll definitely want to start now; poisons are a huge part of ranger damage output. Use EQ2Alchemy to browse, talk to some alchemists, or just search on the broker. Combat arts that put us into stealth now automatically turn off autoattack. Tracking shows a dot where your target is on your map. Shards are gone. When you die, you just lose a small amount of xp, take damage to your equipment, and lose your poison/totem effects. Food isn't cancelled by death though. Speaking of food, different foods now give stat bonuses. Fish is for AGI, I think. Steaks are for STR. That's all I remember; but you can inspect foods and find out what they do. You can sell stuff while offline by putting it in your house vault. You can access it by clicking on your door from within your house. You'll need a market bulletinboard to sell, too. __________________ Lokimor Human Coercer / Sage Venekor

12-19-2005, 03:09 AM	#4
cucumbe Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19	awesome thanks for the answers.... What about Quests? My armor is pretty old, are there any solo quests i could do to get some better stuff? __________________

12-19-2005, 03:19 PM	#5
jarlaxle8 General Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 512	i think one very important change for Rangers (or scouts in general): Cheap Shot for the win! :smileyvery-happy: it now stuns all mobs without up arrows for the full 6 seconds, and others for 2 seconds (read description of spell). pretty important when soloing. pull the mob with big bow hits, some more while it is charging you. then debuff - cheap shot it, back up, pump in some more arrows (or do some backstabbing). check out your offencive and defensive stance. they can be toggled, either one or the other (or none of both). with my defensive stance i can get my avoidance to 60%. with the offensive i can kick butt. :smileywink: the mellee one is the level 18 offensive stance. when you get the upgraded ones that one is not worth using anymore imo. you may have a ranged proc instead of mellee proc on the higher ones, but your mellee (and bow) skills get a greater increase with the higher offencive stances. 'Hunt' now is the only stealth skill for general out of combat use. it scales to your level, so it never will grey out. the deaggro CA 'Evade' now has a whole CA line. so you will get upgraded versions of that skill every 14 levels as well. the 'Makeshift Arrows' skill now has a whole line too. the higher ones make higher arrows. some bow combat arts can't be used while moving anymore. but (i think) they increased the range on the bow arts. and damage / cast time / recast time has been adjusted. as xandez said, clear the hotbars and check out the skills when filling the bars again. stun poison (Touch of the Beholder) is very useful on tough mobs. another thing is that avoidance is now influenced by the armor type. heavier armor gives less avoidance. although it may not be much. the con system of the mobs has changed a bit. now some heroics are ^^^. epics are ^^^ as well, but are marked as 'epic x 2' (or x3 or x4). don't have any gear quest tips for you. i tend to buy most stuff, and just do quests as i go along; so i end up selling most rewards. well, that's all which comes to mind now. hope it helps and welcome back :smileyhappy: -------------------------- Ryilan Nightbreeze -------------------------- __________________

12-19-2005, 08:12 PM	#6
cucumbe Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19	I can't seem to find my defensive stances, what are they called? __________________

12-19-2005, 08:34 PM	#7
Dasanhgul Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Freeport Posts: 308	http://www.freewebs.com/ryokousha/Games/EQ2/eq2-class-progression-tables.html (1 Survival Instincts --> (32) Adroit --> (46) Dance of Leaves --> (60) Dance of Trees

12-19-2005, 08:35 PM	#8
jarlaxle8 General Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 512	cumbom wrote: I can't seem to find my defensive stances, what are they called? the first in the defensive stance line is 'Survival Instincts' (lvl1. to inform yourself what spells/CAs are around, check these lists. you can find em under 'Classes' of eq2players.com (as well as all CAs/spells of any class). to the right of these pages you have the classes listed under 'Careers'. http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/index.vm?classId=31 http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/index.vm?classId=38 http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/index.vm?classId=39 -------------------------- Ryilan Nightbreeze -------------------------- edit: lol. been beaten to it :smileyvery-happy: Message Edited by jarlaxle888 on 12-19-2005 04:39 PM __________________

12-19-2005, 08:42 PM	#9
Dasanhgul Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Freeport Posts: 308	I trust Vyaelin's EQ2 Class Skill Progression Tables more than I do any Spell List that comes out of EQ2Players... Once again, here ya go: http://www.freewebs.com/ryokousha/Games/EQ2/eq2-class-progression-tables.html

12-19-2005, 08:51 PM	#10
jarlaxle8 General Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 512	Dasanhgul wrote: I trust Vyaelin's EQ2 Class Skill Progression Tables more than I do any Spell List that comes out of EQ2Players... Once again, here ya go: http://www.freewebs.com/ryokousha/Games/EQ2/eq2-class-progression-tables.html probably a question of having more options to look something up. and what class you are/want to be. not all classes are in that list (yet). -------------------------- Ryilan Nightbreeze -------------------------- Message Edited by jarlaxle888 on 12-19-2005 04:52 PM __________________

12-19-2005, 08:59 PM	#11
Dasanhgul Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Freeport Posts: 308	jarlaxle888 wrote: Dasanhgul wrote: I trust Vyaelin's EQ2 Class Skill Progression Tables more than I do any Spell List that comes out of EQ2Players... Once again, here ya go: http://www.freewebs.com/ryokousha/Games/EQ2/eq2-class-progression-tables.html probably a question of having more options to look something up. and what class you are/want to be. not all classes are in that list (yet). -------------------------- Ryilan Nightbreeze -------------------------- Message Edited by jarlaxle888 on 12-19-2005 04:52 PM Ranger forum... its has the info rangers need. :robottongue: to the other classes... peace out !

12-19-2005, 11:36 PM	#12
jarlaxle8 General Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 512	Dasanhgul wrote: Ranger forum... its has the info rangers need. :robottongue: to the other classes... peace out ! he! i know Rangers rule. but give alts a chance, hehe :smileyvery-happy: anyway, i was just writing my post with the eq2player links when you posted. but i still thought it's good to submit my post anyway to give those listings too, cause they list em level wise; which in some cases may be prefered. -------------------------- Ryilan Nightbreeze -------------------------- __________________

12-20-2005, 12:54 PM	#13
Dasanhgul Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Freeport Posts: 308	jarlaxle888 wrote: Dasanhgul wrote: Ranger forum... its has the info rangers need. :robottongue: to the other classes... peace out ! he! i know Rangers rule. but give alts a chance, hehe :smileyvery-happy: anyway, i was just writing my post with the eq2player links when you posted. but i still thought it's good to submit my post anyway to give those listings too, cause they list em level wise; which in some cases may be prefered. -------------------------- Ryilan Nightbreeze -------------------------- Great input... I dont know about the Ranger Spell list in EQ2Players, but for many other classes, spells are missing, wrong names, spells from other classes, just one big mess.

12-21-2005, 08:34 PM	#14
cucumbe Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19	I was playing SWG, and when considering coming back to EQ2 the only reason I almost didn't was that I feel really bad giving SOE my money... I still do, its like rewarding a company for wasting your time! But what I have seen of EQ2 so far is making me happier.... Its evident that this game is basically a less cartooney version of WoW, and you know what, that is Aces with me! I am really enjoying this game now. __________________