Enemy Mastery Strikes Now Postional or bugged?

Quillian Feetfa · 09-18-2005, 08:12 PM

Hi all,

I have checked with other Scout lines and the Mage lines, but I have noticed that all of my Enemy Mastery Strikes are only usable from the rear. Other Rangers have reported this too. I have done a /bug report on it. This changed after the Sept. 14 patch. There was nothing in the release notes about it that I could fine. Is every Ranger out there seeing the same thing? If so, /bug it and let's get it fixed. We shouldn't be the only ones that have to use those strikes positionally.

TaleraRis · 09-18-2005, 08:14 PM

I had it happen last night, too. I really hope it's not intentional.

Zutan · 09-18-2005, 08:18 PM

Mine also do this.. and it sucks.. I dont need ANOTHER attack that can only be used behind.. I need stuff I can use when soloing.. (my current backstabs are plenty for soloing and the "mastery" never has a place to be used)

Aringi · 09-19-2005, 08:18 PM

I must be in the minority that like this CA. Sure it would be better if non positional but it was vastly upgraded since the patch. I normally use this while soloing and it is a great help. The revised Strike does about 500-800 damage and ~300 pt. debuff to piercing.

I would hit the mob with cheap shot, then Creature Strike, Pouncing Attack/Shadow Lunge. With this combo I can solo yellows in Zek (Orc Mastery) with little trouble.

I'm not sure if its a bug or intended thou. I guess it would depend on the potency of the attack compared with other classes e.i. is it a better skill than Mage nukes. If it is better then I can see the positional requirement if not then I would agree that it shouldn't be positional.

Akam · 09-19-2005, 08:54 PM

I too would rather have this as it is, as opposed to a downgraded frontal version. It's great dmg, even better debuff, and is workable into the solo game with a bit of effort. But since when have Rangers been afraid of effort!? SMILEY

Ranja · 09-19-2005, 09:40 PM

I completely agree. MY master strikes now does more than 1000 in damage and debuffs for around 300. Keep it positional if making it frontal reduces the damage. Now I use it with cheap shot, crippling blade, lunging thrust, master strike = dead mob.

Saihung23 · 09-19-2005, 10:58 PM

bentgate wrote:
I completely agree. MY master strikes now does more than 1000 in damage and debuffs for around 300. Keep it positional if making it frontal reduces the damage. Now I use it with cheap shot, crippling blade, lunging thrust, master strike = dead mob.

I have to say I was very very peeved that they did this...it irritated me to no end. Especially when I could not figure out how to get cheap shot to stun heroic mobs. However, now that I read that all you need to do for cheapshot to work on Heroics is hit the ~ button to break combat immed. after cheap shot...you can stun him and get to his rear....now I am ok with it. I love the damage and debuff. Good Hunting Saihung

Samundus · 09-20-2005, 06:42 PM

i must admit, at first i was not liking the combat changese. i felt it was much harder to solo and it felt like a new class altogether and the mastery skills now postional made it all the more harder, however after a week of trial and error i love the change. you have to think now in battle and the dmg out put is much higher. thanks

Quillian Feetfa · 09-21-2005, 08:41 PM

Saihung23 wrote:

bentgate wrote:

I completely agree. MY master strikes now does more than 1000 in damage and debuffs for around 300. Keep it positional if making it frontal reduces the damage. Now I use it with cheap shot, crippling blade, lunging thrust, master strike = dead mob.

I have to say I was very very peeved that they did this...it irritated me to no end. Especially when I could not figure out how to get cheap shot to stun heroic mobs.

However, now that I read that all you need to do for cheapshot to work on Heroics is hit the ~ button to break combat immed. after cheap shot...you can stun him and get to his rear....now I am ok with it. I love the damage and debuff.

Good Hunting
Saihung

This is a bug. Everyone needs to do a /bug report on it. The Enemy Mastery strikes aren't specific to certain classes. All classes have them available. It doesn't say anywhere in the Update Notes that this was changed to a positional attack. If they were going to change it to be positional for just the Ranger class, then that doesn't seem right to me. I believe it was unintentional and needs reported. If someone has/knows an assassin, ask them if their strike is now positional too.

Thanks,

Kiluvi · 09-21-2005, 08:59 PM

They are positional for all scouts now... Bards, Rogues, and Predators.

Edit: After reading the entire thread...

They do nearly twice the damage as the mage nuke version. The mage nukes can do approximatly 800-1000dmg and the Scout Mastery spells do up to 1800-ish.

Message Edited by Kiluvian on 09-21-2005 10:01 AM

Saihung23 · 09-21-2005, 10:40 PM

Kiluvian wrote:

They are positional for all scouts now... Bards, Rogues, and Predators.

Edit: After reading the entire thread...

They do nearly twice the damage as the mage nuke version. The mage nukes can do approximatly 800-1000dmg and the Scout Mastery spells do up to 1800-ish.

Message Edited by Kiluvian on 09-21-2005 10:01 AM

I am enjoying it more and more SMILEY

Quillian Feetfa · 09-23-2005, 01:45 AM

Kiluvian wrote:

They are positional for all scouts now... Bards, Rogues, and Predators.

Edit: After reading the entire thread...

They do nearly twice the damage as the mage nuke version. The mage nukes can do approximatly 800-1000dmg and the Scout Mastery spells do up to 1800-ish.

Message Edited by Kiluvian on 09-21-2005 10:01 AM

Just out of curiosity, where did you get this information from? I haven't read anything about it being changed to a positional attack.

Q'Rast · 09-23-2005, 02:47 PM

I remember reading about the positional somewhere in the game. Maybe when i examined the CA SMILEY

Quillian Feetfa · 09-27-2005, 05:42 PM

Q'Rastih wrote:
I remember reading about the positional somewhere in the game. Maybe when i examined the CA

I have checked the CA's out and it doesn't say anything about them being positional. I'll post a screenshot of one of them later.

~Mercu · 09-27-2005, 05:51 PM

Saihung23 wrote:

However, now that I read that all you need to do for cheapshot to work on Heroics is hit the ~ button to break combat immed. after cheap shot...you can stun him and get to his rear....now I am ok with it. I love the damage and debuff.

Good Hunting
Saihung

Huh? You can stun an heroic mob now??! Can you explain this to me a liittle more?

My heroic fights involve kiting and HOs

Armeng · 09-27-2005, 05:54 PM

ya can stun heroica but as soon as you hit them it breaks, i think it also has a higher chance to break before it has timed out. I love the master strikes as is, I love the ranger class as is

~Mercu · 09-27-2005, 06:51 PM

Armengar wrote:
ya can stun heroica but as soon as you hit them it breaks, i think it also has a higher chance to break before it has timed out.

I love the master strikes as is, I love the ranger class as is

wow, ok.. I'll have to try that.

So I guess on non-heroics it doesn't break with a hit?

Saihung23 · 09-27-2005, 07:02 PM

Just a friendly Bump to get rid of another thread.

Audio · 09-28-2005, 06:21 AM

I personally like this change. More damage is always awesome. It comes in handy when one of my other positional attacks like Shadow Lunge has not refreshed and I want to keep hitting hard. The stun refreshes pretty quickly so it's still easy to use solo despite being positional.

I think it's pretty obvious that it's intended --> scouts are positional in nature, they obviously upped the damage that the mastery's do for scouts and this would be inline with positional attacks doing more damage across the board.

09-18-2005, 08:12 PM	#1
Quillian Feetfa Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Elmore, OH Posts: 98	Hi all, I have checked with other Scout lines and the Mage lines, but I have noticed that all of my Enemy Mastery Strikes are only usable from the rear. Other Rangers have reported this too. I have done a /bug report on it. This changed after the Sept. 14 patch. There was nothing in the release notes about it that I could fine. Is every Ranger out there seeing the same thing? If so, /bug it and let's get it fixed. We shouldn't be the only ones that have to use those strikes positionally. __________________

09-18-2005, 08:14 PM	#2
TaleraRis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 2,083	I had it happen last night, too. I really hope it's not intentional. __________________ Gwyneth Lecarde 90 Warty Arrow Flinger 90 Sword Shiner Najena Morgasand Ka'Bael 54 Roswellian Mind Scrambler 87 Shield Polisher Najena

09-18-2005, 08:18 PM	#3
Zutan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 497	Mine also do this.. and it sucks.. I dont need ANOTHER attack that can only be used behind.. I need stuff I can use when soloing.. (my current backstabs are plenty for soloing and the "mastery" never has a place to be used) __________________

09-19-2005, 08:18 PM	#4
Aringi General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 54	I must be in the minority that like this CA. Sure it would be better if non positional but it was vastly upgraded since the patch. I normally use this while soloing and it is a great help. The revised Strike does about 500-800 damage and ~300 pt. debuff to piercing. I would hit the mob with cheap shot, then Creature Strike, Pouncing Attack/Shadow Lunge. With this combo I can solo yellows in Zek (Orc Mastery) with little trouble. I'm not sure if its a bug or intended thou. I guess it would depend on the potency of the attack compared with other classes e.i. is it a better skill than Mage nukes. If it is better then I can see the positional requirement if not then I would agree that it shouldn't be positional. __________________ Aringill Ranger of Everfrost Server Outcasted Rage

09-19-2005, 09:40 PM	#6
Ranja Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,657	I completely agree. MY master strikes now does more than 1000 in damage and debuffs for around 300. Keep it positional if making it frontal reduces the damage. Now I use it with cheap shot, crippling blade, lunging thrust, master strike = dead mob. __________________ Elbryan, 90 Half-elf Ranger Thoghmor, 70 Troll Bruiser Rotir, 90 Dark Elf Swash Terrano, 82 Dark Elf Dirge Aymon, 90, Barbarian Shadowknight The Destroyer of Worlds: http://s7.gladiatus.com/game/c.php?uid=84341

09-19-2005, 08:54 PM	#5
Akam Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 38	I too would rather have this as it is, as opposed to a downgraded frontal version. It's great dmg, even better debuff, and is workable into the solo game with a bit of effort. But since when have Rangers been afraid of effort!?

09-19-2005, 10:58 PM	#7
Saihung23 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Delaware:Home of...Home of...we got stuff! Posts: 1,527	bentgate wrote: I completely agree. MY master strikes now does more than 1000 in damage and debuffs for around 300. Keep it positional if making it frontal reduces the damage. Now I use it with cheap shot, crippling blade, lunging thrust, master strike = dead mob. I have to say I was very very peeved that they did this...it irritated me to no end. Especially when I could not figure out how to get cheap shot to stun heroic mobs. However, now that I read that all you need to do for cheapshot to work on Heroics is hit the ~ button to break combat immed. after cheap shot...you can stun him and get to his rear....now I am ok with it. I love the damage and debuff. Good Hunting Saihung __________________

09-20-2005, 06:42 PM	#8
Samundus Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 5	i must admit, at first i was not liking the combat changese. i felt it was much harder to solo and it felt like a new class altogether and the mastery skills now postional made it all the more harder, however after a week of trial and error i love the change. you have to think now in battle and the dmg out put is much higher. thanks __________________ How would you know you are dreaming, unless you awaken? How would you know death is the end until you die?

09-21-2005, 08:41 PM	#9
Quillian Feetfa Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Elmore, OH Posts: 98	Saihung23 wrote: bentgate wrote: I completely agree. MY master strikes now does more than 1000 in damage and debuffs for around 300. Keep it positional if making it frontal reduces the damage. Now I use it with cheap shot, crippling blade, lunging thrust, master strike = dead mob. I have to say I was very very peeved that they did this...it irritated me to no end. Especially when I could not figure out how to get cheap shot to stun heroic mobs. However, now that I read that all you need to do for cheapshot to work on Heroics is hit the ~ button to break combat immed. after cheap shot...you can stun him and get to his rear....now I am ok with it. I love the damage and debuff. Good Hunting Saihung This is a bug. Everyone needs to do a /bug report on it. The Enemy Mastery strikes aren't specific to certain classes. All classes have them available. It doesn't say anywhere in the Update Notes that this was changed to a positional attack. If they were going to change it to be positional for just the Ranger class, then that doesn't seem right to me. I believe it was unintentional and needs reported. If someone has/knows an assassin, ask them if their strike is now positional too. Thanks, __________________

09-21-2005, 08:59 PM	#10
Kiluvi General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 69	They are positional for all scouts now... Bards, Rogues, and Predators. Edit: After reading the entire thread... They do nearly twice the damage as the mage nuke version. The mage nukes can do approximatly 800-1000dmg and the Scout Mastery spells do up to 1800-ish. Message Edited by Kiluvian on 09-21-2005 10:01 AM __________________ Kiluvian Stormrage Lvl 70 Ranger

09-21-2005, 10:40 PM	#11
Saihung23 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Delaware:Home of...Home of...we got stuff! Posts: 1,527	Kiluvian wrote: They are positional for all scouts now... Bards, Rogues, and Predators. Edit: After reading the entire thread... They do nearly twice the damage as the mage nuke version. The mage nukes can do approximatly 800-1000dmg and the Scout Mastery spells do up to 1800-ish. Message Edited by Kiluvian on 09-21-2005 10:01 AM I am enjoying it more and more __________________

09-23-2005, 01:45 AM	#12
Quillian Feetfa Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Elmore, OH Posts: 98	Kiluvian wrote: They are positional for all scouts now... Bards, Rogues, and Predators. Edit: After reading the entire thread... They do nearly twice the damage as the mage nuke version. The mage nukes can do approximatly 800-1000dmg and the Scout Mastery spells do up to 1800-ish. Message Edited by Kiluvian on 09-21-2005 10:01 AM Just out of curiosity, where did you get this information from? I haven't read anything about it being changed to a positional attack. __________________

09-23-2005, 02:47 PM	#13
Q'Rast General Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 3	I remember reading about the positional somewhere in the game. Maybe when i examined the CA

09-27-2005, 05:42 PM	#14
Quillian Feetfa Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Elmore, OH Posts: 98	Q'Rastih wrote: I remember reading about the positional somewhere in the game. Maybe when i examined the CA I have checked the CA's out and it doesn't say anything about them being positional. I'll post a screenshot of one of them later. __________________

09-27-2005, 05:51 PM	#15
~Mercu Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 109	Saihung23 wrote: However, now that I read that all you need to do for cheapshot to work on Heroics is hit the ~ button to break combat immed. after cheap shot...you can stun him and get to his rear....now I am ok with it. I love the damage and debuff. Good Hunting Saihung Huh? You can stun an heroic mob now??! Can you explain this to me a liittle more? My heroic fights involve kiting and HOs

09-27-2005, 05:54 PM	#16
Armeng General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 66	ya can stun heroica but as soon as you hit them it breaks, i think it also has a higher chance to break before it has timed out. I love the master strikes as is, I love the ranger class as is __________________ Fayah,(retired) others

09-27-2005, 06:51 PM	#17
~Mercu Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 109	Armengar wrote: ya can stun heroica but as soon as you hit them it breaks, i think it also has a higher chance to break before it has timed out. I love the master strikes as is, I love the ranger class as is wow, ok.. I'll have to try that. So I guess on non-heroics it doesn't break with a hit?

09-27-2005, 07:02 PM	#18
Saihung23 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Delaware:Home of...Home of...we got stuff! Posts: 1,527	Just a friendly Bump to get rid of another thread. __________________

09-28-2005, 06:21 AM	#19
Audio Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 88	I personally like this change. More damage is always awesome. It comes in handy when one of my other positional attacks like Shadow Lunge has not refreshed and I want to keep hitting hard. The stun refreshes pretty quickly so it's still easy to use solo despite being positional. I think it's pretty obvious that it's intended --> scouts are positional in nature, they obviously upped the damage that the mastery's do for scouts and this would be inline with positional attacks doing more damage across the board.