PotM Questions

Jeger_Wulf · 01-17-2007, 08:40 PM

I just got PotM, and have some questions for those who have used it a while.

1. I have never seen a Master of it on the broker. Do Masters exist?

2. Reading the spell, it seems I am basically useless while running it. Do I read correctly?

3. What group compositions make up for pulling myself out of the fight? I ordinarily group with a zerker, templar, and inquisitor. I am assuming that PotM would not be useful in that group. Sometimes we add a swashbuckler - I am assuming I should still DPS and not cast PotM. If we add a necro, would PotM pay off then?

4. If I start PotM and we get an add, can I break the spell so I can cast charm or mez?

Thanks for your help. SMILEY

zel · 01-17-2007, 09:06 PM

1. Yes, have had mine for months. It is glorious.

2. You are the absolute opposite of useless. You are rooted, but still can cast anything. Any spell, whether damage or debuff, will proc. With the AA to get PoTM up to 30 seconds, I can cast and drop my AoE spells no less than 15 times. That's 15 procs times however many mobs there are.

3. Any class that uses spells will benefit. CA's are not affected. In your normal group it would only really benefit you. Personally I only use it if I know the fight will be longer than 30 seconds or if it is a tougher named, as most fights are <30 seconds anyway.

4. Yes, you can break at any time. Mezz will proc and break if PoTM is active, but charm should work fine. Haven't personally used charm in over a year though, so I couldn't speak specifically on that.

aelder~ · 01-17-2007, 09:13 PM

In addition to being rooted you do not do any autoattack damage during the duration so be prepared to spam your spells for the extent. You can also cast Jester's Cap on yourself or another caster to speed up recovery.

Jeger_Wulf · 01-17-2007, 09:34 PM

Thanks for all the info and grats on your Master.

>2. You are the absolute opposite of useless. You are rooted, but still can cast anything.

Nice.

iirc the description reads that you are rooted and you are dazed. Does being dazed only stop auto-attack, then?

Cuz · 01-17-2007, 09:37 PM

zel wrote:

4. Yes, you can break at any time. Mezz will proc and break if PoTM is active, but charm should work fine. Haven't personally used charm in over a year though, so I couldn't speak specifically on that.

Actually I don't think it does. I think the proc happens before the mezz is applied. Like with Aria, you can actually mezz a mob to death :p

As for when to use PotM, even if my group is all melee and healer, I'll use it against groups. If you toggle our group debuffs on and off a few times you can actually make up for the fact that we suck at aoe dpsing.

Jeger_Wulf · 01-17-2007, 11:32 PM

> If you toggle our group debuffs on and off a few times you
> can actually make up for the fact that we suck at aoe dpsing.

Sweet.

I have hated my AoE DPS. It's so embarassing when we are hunting grouped mobs. It'll be nice to have something else to do.

Rampagious · 01-17-2007, 11:36 PM

I hate precision, it [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing kills my dps SMILEY

Cuz · 01-17-2007, 11:41 PM

Rampagious wrote:

I hate precision, it [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing kills my dps

Haha you have better gear than I do then :p

Rampagious · 01-17-2007, 11:42 PM

Well, seriously speaking, unless the encounter has 4+ mobs I lose over 100 dps

Cuz · 01-17-2007, 11:45 PM

Rampagious wrote:

Well, seriously speaking, unless the encounter has 4+ mobs I lose over 100 dps

Really? If there's 2 I'm preatty sure my DPS goes up...

Rampagious · 01-17-2007, 11:48 PM

Yeah its pretty [Removed for Content], I miss out on a chance to auto attack for over 1k, makes a pretty big deal.

Jeger_Wulf · 01-18-2007, 12:11 AM

So when do you find it useful Rampagious? One caster in group? Two? ...

Rampagious · 01-18-2007, 12:36 AM

Oh its always useful when there is one or more casters in group. I was just saying that it hurts me dps if the encounter doesn't have 4+ mobs.

Cuz · 01-18-2007, 12:48 AM

Hehe both your weapons do about the same damage as my 1handed dagger, so yeah I guess you would lose out on DPS SMILEY

Jeger_Wulf · 01-18-2007, 01:12 AM

Who gets the aggro on the PotM damage? If your tank is having trouble keeping mobs off the casters, should you not use it?

Rampagious · 01-18-2007, 01:23 AM

The person who procs the spell gets the agro, and yeah - if the tank can't keep agro off the casters don't use it on AE mobs I guess - or you could use it and then Jester the tank to help with agro.

Jeger_Wulf · 01-18-2007, 02:24 AM

> The person who procs the spell gets the agro, and
> yeah - if the tank can't keep agro off the casters don't
> use it on AE mobs I guess - or you could use it and
> then Jester the tank to help with agro.

If I had Jester's SMILEY

Rampagious · 01-18-2007, 02:58 AM

Heh well, you suck! SMILEY

Blakeavon · 01-18-2007, 07:16 PM

Precision is brilliant... especially now i have maxed it out in AA points making it last for 30 sec. i am sure the fact that it raises of INT by 70 or 80 for that time. so that would help casters, healers, pally/Sks and no to mention your own dps. in maxing it out i also took all the AA's so all my song nukes are a lot faster. sure autoattack is off but just looking at the procs as they hit is amazing.of course dont ask me for logged dps records cos i cant stand sitting there tearing apart every fight. and fretting who out dps's who or crying that i did 20 less dps this fight then last.ultimately you have those who can play a class, or those who just push the buttons in time... a person can prove with numbers there worth yet i fail to see the higher the numbers means the beater the player. we are a support class which means there are some things we bring to group that cant be recorded

Jeger_Wulf · 01-18-2007, 08:02 PM

Woohoo!!! Got my PotM Master last night. Been watching the broker for a long time and have not seen one, but there it was. SMILEY

chorpie · 01-20-2007, 05:55 AM

I have a guildie (Troub) that hits the top 10 parse almost every time. I know that he uses PotM on fights. You have a dot, 2 insta cast buffs, and numerous spells, if you're REALLY worried about it, park in the middle of the mobs before you cast - but you're far from useless. If being parked renders you useless, you should look at upgrading your spells SMILEY

At any rate, we're not a DPS class, we're a utility class - what does DPS truly matter?

Jeger_Wulf · 01-20-2007, 06:47 AM

> what does DPS truly matter?

Hehe, when I am playing my troubadour, I agree. When I am on my Warlock or Swashie, I point out the best form of crowd control is a dead mob. SMILEY

01-17-2007, 08:40 PM	#1
Jeger_Wulf Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 505	I just got PotM, and have some questions for those who have used it a while. 1. I have never seen a Master of it on the broker. Do Masters exist? 2. Reading the spell, it seems I am basically useless while running it. Do I read correctly? 3. What group compositions make up for pulling myself out of the fight? I ordinarily group with a zerker, templar, and inquisitor. I am assuming that PotM would not be useful in that group. Sometimes we add a swashbuckler - I am assuming I should still DPS and not cast PotM. If we add a necro, would PotM pay off then? 4. If I start PotM and we get an add, can I break the spell so I can cast charm or mez? Thanks for your help. __________________ Karc Shadowwalker 80 Illusionist, Najena Jeger Wulf 80 Troubadour, Najena Foster Suncaller 7x Warlock, Najena

01-17-2007, 09:13 PM	#3
aelder~ Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 74	In addition to being rooted you do not do any autoattack damage during the duration so be prepared to spam your spells for the extent. You can also cast Jester's Cap on yourself or another caster to speed up recovery. __________________ Aelder Silmaril Troubador of Absolution on Guk

01-17-2007, 09:34 PM	#4
Jeger_Wulf Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 505	Thanks for all the info and grats on your Master. >2. You are the absolute opposite of useless. You are rooted, but still can cast anything. Nice. iirc the description reads that you are rooted and you are dazed. Does being dazed only stop auto-attack, then? __________________ Karc Shadowwalker 80 Illusionist, Najena Jeger Wulf 80 Troubadour, Najena Foster Suncaller 7x Warlock, Najena

01-17-2007, 09:37 PM	#5
Cuz Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 825	zel wrote: 4. Yes, you can break at any time. Mezz will proc and break if PoTM is active, but charm should work fine. Haven't personally used charm in over a year though, so I couldn't speak specifically on that. Actually I don't think it does. I think the proc happens before the mezz is applied. Like with Aria, you can actually mezz a mob to death :p As for when to use PotM, even if my group is all melee and healer, I'll use it against groups. If you toggle our group debuffs on and off a few times you can actually make up for the fact that we suck at aoe dpsing. __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------ one immature posted ------------------------------------------------------------

01-17-2007, 11:32 PM	#6
Jeger_Wulf Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 505	> If you toggle our group debuffs on and off a few times you > can actually make up for the fact that we suck at aoe dpsing. Sweet. I have hated my AoE DPS. It's so embarassing when we are hunting grouped mobs. It'll be nice to have something else to do. __________________ Karc Shadowwalker 80 Illusionist, Najena Jeger Wulf 80 Troubadour, Najena Foster Suncaller 7x Warlock, Najena

01-17-2007, 09:06 PM	#2
zel Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	1. Yes, have had mine for months. It is glorious. 2. You are the absolute opposite of useless. You are rooted, but still can cast anything. Any spell, whether damage or debuff, will proc. With the AA to get PoTM up to 30 seconds, I can cast and drop my AoE spells no less than 15 times. That's 15 procs times however many mobs there are. 3. Any class that uses spells will benefit. CA's are not affected. In your normal group it would only really benefit you. Personally I only use it if I know the fight will be longer than 30 seconds or if it is a tougher named, as most fights are <30 seconds anyway. 4. Yes, you can break at any time. Mezz will proc and break if PoTM is active, but charm should work fine. Haven't personally used charm in over a year though, so I couldn't speak specifically on that.

01-17-2007, 11:36 PM	#7
Rampagious Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 188	I hate precision, it [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing kills my dps __________________ Rampagious - Dissolution

01-17-2007, 11:41 PM	#8
Cuz Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 825	Rampagious wrote: I hate precision, it [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing kills my dps Haha you have better gear than I do then :p __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------ one immature posted ------------------------------------------------------------

01-17-2007, 11:42 PM	#9
Rampagious Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 188	Well, seriously speaking, unless the encounter has 4+ mobs I lose over 100 dps __________________ Rampagious - Dissolution

01-17-2007, 11:45 PM	#10
Cuz Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 825	Rampagious wrote: Well, seriously speaking, unless the encounter has 4+ mobs I lose over 100 dps Really? If there's 2 I'm preatty sure my DPS goes up... __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------ one immature posted ------------------------------------------------------------

01-17-2007, 11:48 PM	#11
Rampagious Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 188	Yeah its pretty [Removed for Content], I miss out on a chance to auto attack for over 1k, makes a pretty big deal. __________________ Rampagious - Dissolution

01-18-2007, 12:11 AM	#12
Jeger_Wulf Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 505	So when do you find it useful Rampagious? One caster in group? Two? ... __________________ Karc Shadowwalker 80 Illusionist, Najena Jeger Wulf 80 Troubadour, Najena Foster Suncaller 7x Warlock, Najena

01-18-2007, 12:36 AM	#13
Rampagious Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 188	Oh its always useful when there is one or more casters in group. I was just saying that it hurts me dps if the encounter doesn't have 4+ mobs. __________________ Rampagious - Dissolution

01-18-2007, 12:48 AM	#14
Cuz Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 825	Hehe both your weapons do about the same damage as my 1handed dagger, so yeah I guess you would lose out on DPS __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------ one immature posted ------------------------------------------------------------

01-18-2007, 01:12 AM	#15
Jeger_Wulf Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 505	Who gets the aggro on the PotM damage? If your tank is having trouble keeping mobs off the casters, should you not use it? __________________ Karc Shadowwalker 80 Illusionist, Najena Jeger Wulf 80 Troubadour, Najena Foster Suncaller 7x Warlock, Najena

01-18-2007, 01:23 AM	#16
Rampagious Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 188	The person who procs the spell gets the agro, and yeah - if the tank can't keep agro off the casters don't use it on AE mobs I guess - or you could use it and then Jester the tank to help with agro. __________________ Rampagious - Dissolution

01-18-2007, 02:24 AM	#17
Jeger_Wulf Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 505	> The person who procs the spell gets the agro, and > yeah - if the tank can't keep agro off the casters don't > use it on AE mobs I guess - or you could use it and > then Jester the tank to help with agro. If I had Jester's __________________ Karc Shadowwalker 80 Illusionist, Najena Jeger Wulf 80 Troubadour, Najena Foster Suncaller 7x Warlock, Najena

01-18-2007, 02:58 AM	#18
Rampagious Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 188	Heh well, you suck! __________________ Rampagious - Dissolution

01-18-2007, 07:16 PM	#19
Blakeavon Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 152	Precision is brilliant... especially now i have maxed it out in AA points making it last for 30 sec. i am sure the fact that it raises of INT by 70 or 80 for that time. so that would help casters, healers, pally/Sks and no to mention your own dps. in maxing it out i also took all the AA's so all my song nukes are a lot faster. sure autoattack is off but just looking at the procs as they hit is amazing.of course dont ask me for logged dps records cos i cant stand sitting there tearing apart every fight. and fretting who out dps's who or crying that i did 20 less dps this fight then last.ultimately you have those who can play a class, or those who just push the buttons in time... a person can prove with numbers there worth yet i fail to see the higher the numbers means the beater the player. we are a support class which means there are some things we bring to group that cant be recorded

01-18-2007, 08:02 PM	#20
Jeger_Wulf Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 505	Woohoo!!! Got my PotM Master last night. Been watching the broker for a long time and have not seen one, but there it was. __________________ Karc Shadowwalker 80 Illusionist, Najena Jeger Wulf 80 Troubadour, Najena Foster Suncaller 7x Warlock, Najena

01-20-2007, 05:55 AM	#21
chorpie Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 11	I have a guildie (Troub) that hits the top 10 parse almost every time. I know that he uses PotM on fights. You have a dot, 2 insta cast buffs, and numerous spells, if you're REALLY worried about it, park in the middle of the mobs before you cast - but you're far from useless. If being parked renders you useless, you should look at upgrading your spells At any rate, we're not a DPS class, we're a utility class - what does DPS truly matter? __________________ Aram Spellfire - 70 Wizard - Butcherblock Dissonant Spellfire - 70 Troubador - Butcherblock Extortio Oneshotted - 70 Coercer - Butcherblock

01-20-2007, 06:47 AM	#22
Jeger_Wulf Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 505	> what does DPS truly matter? Hehe, when I am playing my troubadour, I agree. When I am on my Warlock or Swashie, I point out the best form of crowd control is a dead mob. __________________ Karc Shadowwalker 80 Illusionist, Najena Jeger Wulf 80 Troubadour, Najena Foster Suncaller 7x Warlock, Najena