Jesters cap

Warond · 03-08-2006, 08:37 PM

Hows it work exactly? I know if I cast it on myself at adept 1, then check my PoM timer it's got about 20 seconds shaved off it, which makes it a 1min 10 recast. So, if I cast PoM, then cap on myself, the cap will be gone before PoM timer is back, does that mean it didn't do anything? And what about if you cast cap, and then PoM, will the recast be reduced and stay that way before cap runs out?

ForgottenFoundling · 03-08-2006, 09:12 PM

Warondom wrote:Hows it work exactly? I know if I cast it on myself at adept 1, then check my PoM timer it's got about 20 seconds shaved off it, which makes it a 1min 10 recast. So, if I cast PoM, then cap on myself, the cap will be gone before PoM timer is back, does that mean it didn't do anything? And what about if you cast cap, and then PoM, will the recast be reduced and stay that way before cap runs out?

You cast the spell and then everything you use while the spell is up has its recast reduced.

***edited to remove incorrect info.

Message Edited by ForgottenFoundling on 03-10-200605:47 PM

Sanju · 03-08-2006, 09:27 PM

ForgottenFoundling wrote: They reduced CoQ and CoO to 25s cast time so that we could take advantage of our spell.

I thought the patch notes read that this was in PvP only. Haven't checked in game, though.

VericSauvari · 03-08-2006, 09:30 PM

ForgottenFoundling wrote:
Warondom wrote:Hows it work exactly? I know if I cast it on myself at adept 1, then check my PoM timer it's got about 20 seconds shaved off it, which makes it a 1min 10 recast. So, if I cast PoM, then cap on myself, the cap will be gone before PoM timer is back, does that mean it didn't do anything? And what about if you cast cap, and then PoM, will the recast be reduced and stay that way before cap runs out?
You cast the spell and then everything you use while the spell is up has its recast reduced. They reduced CoQ and CoO to 25s cast time so that we could take advantage of our spell.

eh? i just got up and this confused me greatly

pera · 03-08-2006, 09:44 PM

Jesters is currently bugged with no word from the devs atm it is only redcucing the recast time by about 26%(adept III) and 28%(master I) so yeah you shoudl see potm go down to about 56 seconds i believe instead of 1min 10 seconds. The best example and easies to see is escape 15 min recast time shoudl get redcued to 9min 45 seconds instead its being reduced to 11 min. You can see they error quite easly if you just cast jesters on your self then just exame your spells you'll see what the recast time would be if you were to cast the spell with jesters on.Basicly the way it is working, for some reason the devs coded the formula to be "No using Jesters Cap will increase your recast times by %reduction", where %reduction is what ever your reduction is at the quality level of spell. Instead it SHOULD be "reduces the recast timers of abilits" The logic is completely backwards with the way it currently is. (Tmod + Tmod * %reduction = T) instead of ( T - T * %reduction = Tmod )I really hope the devs fix this, so far they seem to just of ignoring the issue.

Iggyopalus · 03-10-2006, 01:06 PM

hmmm this is actually news to me, just got the spell the other night and had been just casting it on others rather than really testing it out, I thought it lowerd all recast timers for the duration of the spell, then once it was over they reset, and thus was only good for spells that had recast timers of about 30s or less, but if it lowers the recast for spells cast during that time and doesn't reset after it ends that's much better than i thought it was. I'll have to test it out. SMILEY

pera · 03-10-2006, 09:12 PM

Iggyopalus wrote:
hmmm this is actually news to me, just got the spell the other night and had been just casting it on others rather than really testing it out, I thought it lowerd all recast timers for the duration of the spell, then once it was over they reset, and thus was only good for spells that had recast timers of about 30s or less, but if it lowers the recast for spells cast during that time and doesn't reset after it ends that's much better than i thought it was. I'll have to test it out.

Correct the workings of Jester's Cap reduce the "Recast" timers of all Ability or Item with in the 30 second duration of the player Jester's Cap is on.With this said, the Item must finish its "Cast" timer before Jester's Cap's duration expires. For example the ability "Call of Ro" has a 30 second cast timer. If you were to have jester's Cap on your self, then cast Call of Ro, jester's would expire before Call of Ro would finish its cast timer; therfore the recast timer on Call of Ro would not be reduced. Now on the other hand if you were to cast Jesters on a person that is currently casting Call of X, and the call finishes its cast timer before jester's expire, say you cansted it in the last 10 seconds on the Call timer, it would reduce the recast of the player's call that jester's was on.Now it is possible if your quick and in an area with out too much lag and have the AP, Allegro's at at least 4 points or higher, to cast Jester's on your self and queue up Call of x. With allegro reducing the cast timer of Call of X (29.2seconds @4points) it is possible for the cast timer of Call to finish before the 30 second duration of Call has expired.This example just using Call because its an easy spell to use and everyone has it, but the simple rulles of Jester's Cap is is reduces the recast timers on all abilites/items that FINISHED casting before Jester's Cap's 30 sec duration expired.

ForgottenFoundling · 03-11-2006, 04:48 AM

Bah, I missed the "pvp" part for CoQ and CoO when perusing the update notes. My bad for the erroneous info (although I wish they reduced it on live too...).

Teneann · 03-12-2006, 08:39 PM

Correct the workings of Jester's Cap reduce the "Recast" timers of all Ability or Item with in the 30 second duration of the player Jester's Cap is on.

Jesters cap has a duration of 90 seconds not 30.

Teneann · 03-13-2006, 03:15 AM

my bad... I was thinking the recast timer on another person. Teach me to post while half asleep

vinterskugge · 03-13-2006, 04:14 PM

Best macro ever:

/target Brigand

/usea Jester's Cap

/assist Tank

Substitute in names and it works great. I have four of these on my hotbar so I can alternate through group members and save a lot of clicking.

Warond · 03-13-2006, 09:11 PM

Why the brigand? o.o

VericSauvari · 03-13-2006, 10:50 PM

Warondom wrote:Why the brigand? o.o

dispatch and debuffs

Bumblethither · 03-13-2006, 11:02 PM

going to be getting updated to target raid/group friend

jaz · 03-14-2006, 10:03 PM

I have Jesters Cap Master 1...40% reduction in recast timer. I have my Allegro at Rank 3, which is a 2.5% casting time reduction. So did the following to see if one of you math wizz's could figure out if this is indeed working as intended. I cast jesters followed immediatly by CoR. When i zoned to Ro my recast timer on CoR was 42minutes rather than 60, a good reduction, but is it 40%? I also did this with evac which went from 15min normal to 11minutes. the last test was on PoM with a normal recast of 1min30sec which went to 1min 3 sec. Note that the recast on PoM starts after the spell is completed. So given these 3 songs and thier recast who can figure out if it is working properly?

Hype Mini'me

67 Troub

Egheedah Da'Gimped

61 Warlock

pera · 03-14-2006, 11:27 PM

jazbo wrote:
I have Jesters Cap Master 1...40% reduction in recast timer. I have my Allegro at Rank 3, which is a 2.5% casting time reduction. So did the following to see if one of you math wizz's could figure out if this is indeed working as intended. I cast jesters followed immediatly by CoR. When i zoned to Ro my recast timer on CoR was 42minutes rather than 60, a good reduction, but is it 40%? I also did this with evac which went from 15min normal to 11minutes. the last test was on PoM with a normal recast of 1min30sec which went to 1min 3 sec. Note that the recast on PoM starts after the spell is completed. So given these 3 songs and thier recast who can figure out if it is working properly?

None of them are working correctly (CoR, Evac, PoM)This is what the times should be at "Reduces ability recast time by 40%"CoR = 60min base -> 3600sec - (3600sec * 0.40) = 36 minEvac = 15min base -> 900sec - (900sec * 0.40) = 9 minPoM = 1min 30sec base ->90sec - (90sec * 0.40) = 54secIn its current state the spell discriptoin should read "If not using Jester's Cap all recast timers are increased by 40%"

Message Edited by perano on 03-14-200601:33 PM

Zoolin · 03-14-2006, 11:34 PM

I have Jester's Cap at Adept I. It says 30%, but when in use, spell timers are reduced 23%. A 10 second recast reads as 7.7 second recast and so on.

jjhac · 03-19-2006, 11:47 PM

Exaclty what level is this spell?

pera · 03-20-2006, 04:47 AM

jjhacke wrote:
Exaclty what level is this spell?

level 65 teaching

03-08-2006, 08:37 PM	#1
Warond Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 83	Hows it work exactly? I know if I cast it on myself at adept 1, then check my PoM timer it's got about 20 seconds shaved off it, which makes it a 1min 10 recast. So, if I cast PoM, then cap on myself, the cap will be gone before PoM timer is back, does that mean it didn't do anything? And what about if you cast cap, and then PoM, will the recast be reduced and stay that way before cap runs out? __________________ src="http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/4936/gdfgj1yb.jpg" border="0" width="314" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"> ~Puka

03-08-2006, 09:12 PM	#2
ForgottenFoundling Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 373	Warondom wrote:Hows it work exactly? I know if I cast it on myself at adept 1, then check my PoM timer it's got about 20 seconds shaved off it, which makes it a 1min 10 recast. So, if I cast PoM, then cap on myself, the cap will be gone before PoM timer is back, does that mean it didn't do anything? And what about if you cast cap, and then PoM, will the recast be reduced and stay that way before cap runs out? You cast the spell and then everything you use while the spell is up has its recast reduced. *edited to remove incorrect info. Message Edited by ForgottenFoundling on 03-10-200605:47 PM __________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Poofe Fromage the Fragrant - Erudite Troubadour 80 / Tailor 80 - Qeynos - ButcherBlock/Highkeep**

03-08-2006, 09:27 PM	#3
Sanju Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 305	ForgottenFoundling wrote: They reduced CoQ and CoO to 25s cast time so that we could take advantage of our spell. I thought the patch notes read that this was in PvP only. Haven't checked in game, though. __________________

03-08-2006, 09:30 PM	#4
VericSauvari Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 302	ForgottenFoundling wrote: Warondom wrote:Hows it work exactly? I know if I cast it on myself at adept 1, then check my PoM timer it's got about 20 seconds shaved off it, which makes it a 1min 10 recast. So, if I cast PoM, then cap on myself, the cap will be gone before PoM timer is back, does that mean it didn't do anything? And what about if you cast cap, and then PoM, will the recast be reduced and stay that way before cap runs out? You cast the spell and then everything you use while the spell is up has its recast reduced. They reduced *CoQ and CoO* to 25s cast time so that we could take advantage of our spell. eh? i just got up and this confused me greatly __________________ (boycott pay-2-pwn (RMT) !

03-08-2006, 09:44 PM	#5
pera Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 433	Jesters is currently bugged with no word from the devs atm it is only redcucing the recast time by about 26%(adept III) and 28%(master I) so yeah you shoudl see potm go down to about 56 seconds i believe instead of 1min 10 seconds. The best example and easies to see is escape 15 min recast time shoudl get redcued to 9min 45 seconds instead its being reduced to 11 min. You can see they error quite easly if you just cast jesters on your self then just exame your spells you'll see what the recast time would be if you were to cast the spell with jesters on.Basicly the way it is working, for some reason the devs coded the formula to be "No using Jesters Cap will increase your recast times by %reduction", where %reduction is what ever your reduction is at the quality level of spell. Instead it SHOULD be "reduces the recast timers of abilits" The logic is completely backwards with the way it currently is. (Tmod + Tmod * %reduction = T) instead of ( T - T * %reduction = Tmod )I really hope the devs fix this, so far they seem to just of ignoring the issue. __________________ - Igus 70 Dirge, Second Dawn Best Quote Ever: "BREAKING: New York subways smell funny"

03-10-2006, 01:06 PM	#6
Iggyopalus Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20	hmmm this is actually news to me, just got the spell the other night and had been just casting it on others rather than really testing it out, I thought it lowerd all recast timers for the duration of the spell, then once it was over they reset, and thus was only good for spells that had recast timers of about 30s or less, but if it lowers the recast for spells cast during that time and doesn't reset after it ends that's much better than i thought it was. I'll have to test it out.

03-10-2006, 09:12 PM	#7
pera Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 433	Iggyopalus wrote: hmmm this is actually news to me, just got the spell the other night and had been just casting it on others rather than really testing it out, I thought it lowerd all recast timers for the duration of the spell, then once it was over they reset, and thus was only good for spells that had recast timers of about 30s or less, but if it lowers the recast for spells cast during that time and doesn't reset after it ends that's much better than i thought it was. I'll have to test it out. Correct the workings of Jester's Cap reduce the "Recast" timers of all Ability or Item with in the 30 second duration of the player Jester's Cap is on.With this said, the Item must finish its "Cast" timer before Jester's Cap's duration expires. For example the ability "Call of Ro" has a 30 second cast timer. If you were to have jester's Cap on your self, then cast Call of Ro, jester's would expire before Call of Ro would finish its cast timer; therfore the recast timer on Call of Ro would not be reduced. Now on the other hand if you were to cast Jesters on a person that is currently casting Call of X, and the call finishes its cast timer before jester's expire, say you cansted it in the last 10 seconds on the Call timer, it would reduce the recast of the player's call that jester's was on.Now it is possible if your quick and in an area with out too much lag and have the AP, Allegro's at at least 4 points or higher, to cast Jester's on your self and queue up Call of x. With allegro reducing the cast timer of Call of X (29.2seconds @4points) it is possible for the cast timer of Call to finish before the 30 second duration of Call has expired.This example just using Call because its an easy spell to use and everyone has it, but the simple rulles of Jester's Cap is is reduces the recast timers on all abilites/items that FINISHED casting before Jester's Cap's 30 sec duration expired. __________________ - Igus 70 Dirge, Second Dawn Best Quote Ever: "BREAKING: New York subways smell funny"

03-11-2006, 04:48 AM	#8
ForgottenFoundling Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 373	Bah, I missed the "pvp" part for CoQ and CoO when perusing the update notes. My bad for the erroneous info (although I wish they reduced it on live too...). __________________ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Poofe Fromage the Fragrant - Erudite Troubadour 80 / Tailor 80 - Qeynos - ButcherBlock/Highkeep

03-12-2006, 08:39 PM	#9
Teneann Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18	Correct the workings of Jester's Cap reduce the "Recast" timers of all Ability or Item with in the 30 second duration of the player Jester's Cap is on. Jesters cap has a duration of 90 seconds not 30.

03-13-2006, 03:15 AM	#10
Teneann Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18	my bad... I was thinking the recast timer on another person. Teach me to post while half asleep

03-13-2006, 04:14 PM	#11
vinterskugge Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 696	Best macro ever: /target Brigand /usea Jester's Cap /assist Tank Substitute in names and it works great. I have four of these on my hotbar so I can alternate through group members and save a lot of clicking.

03-13-2006, 09:11 PM	#12
Warond Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 83	Why the brigand? o.o __________________ src="http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/4936/gdfgj1yb.jpg" border="0" width="314" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us"> ~Puka

03-13-2006, 10:50 PM	#13
VericSauvari Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 302	Warondom wrote:Why the brigand? o.o dispatch and debuffs __________________ (boycott pay-2-pwn (RMT) !

03-13-2006, 11:02 PM	#14
Bumblethither Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 50	going to be getting updated to target raid/group friend __________________ "The power of stupid people cannot be overcome because they are so many, and their votes count just as much as ours." Albert Einstein

03-14-2006, 10:03 PM	#15
jaz Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 10	I have Jesters Cap Master 1...40% reduction in recast timer. I have my Allegro at Rank 3, which is a 2.5% casting time reduction. So did the following to see if one of you math wizz's could figure out if this is indeed working as intended. I cast jesters followed immediatly by CoR. When i zoned to Ro my recast timer on CoR was 42minutes rather than 60, a good reduction, but is it 40%? I also did this with evac which went from 15min normal to 11minutes. the last test was on PoM with a normal recast of 1min30sec which went to 1min 3 sec. Note that the recast on PoM starts after the spell is completed. So given these 3 songs and thier recast who can figure out if it is working properly? Hype Mini'me 67 Troub Egheedah Da'Gimped 61 Warlock

03-14-2006, 11:27 PM	#16
pera Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 433	jazbo wrote: I have Jesters Cap Master 1...40% reduction in recast timer. I have my Allegro at Rank 3, which is a 2.5% casting time reduction. So did the following to see if one of you math wizz's could figure out if this is indeed working as intended. I cast jesters followed immediatly by CoR. When i zoned to Ro my recast timer on CoR was 42minutes rather than 60, a good reduction, but is it 40%? I also did this with evac which went from 15min normal to 11minutes. the last test was on PoM with a normal recast of 1min30sec which went to 1min 3 sec. Note that the recast on PoM starts after the spell is completed. So given these 3 songs and thier recast who can figure out if it is working properly? None of them are working correctly (CoR, Evac, PoM)This is what the times should be at "Reduces ability recast time by 40%"CoR = 60min base -> 3600sec - (3600sec * 0.40) = 36 minEvac = 15min base -> 900sec - (900sec * 0.40) = 9 minPoM = 1min 30sec base ->90sec - (90sec * 0.40) = 54secIn its current state the spell discriptoin should read "If not using Jester's Cap all recast timers are increased by 40%" Message Edited by perano on 03-14-200601:33 PM __________________ - Igus 70 Dirge, Second Dawn Best Quote Ever: "BREAKING: New York subways smell funny"

03-14-2006, 11:34 PM	#17
Zoolin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 22	I have Jester's Cap at Adept I. It says 30%, but when in use, spell timers are reduced 23%. A 10 second recast reads as 7.7 second recast and so on.

03-19-2006, 11:47 PM	#18
jjhac Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4	Exaclty what level is this spell?

03-20-2006, 04:47 AM	#19
pera Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 433	jjhacke wrote: Exaclty what level is this spell? level 65 teaching __________________ - Igus 70 Dirge, Second Dawn Best Quote Ever: "BREAKING: New York subways smell funny"