End of wis line Coule

Awlis · 04-14-2006, 09:17 PM

I am just wondering how worth it people think the 15 extra points in offensive are?

It seems alot to spend 8 points in, when we already have a HO that gives us that.. how often do we make sure that is up??

No idea if it would be possible to work out approximate dps gain.

SageGaspar · 04-14-2006, 09:53 PM

Awlis wrote:
I am just wondering how worth it people think the 15 extra points in offensive are?

It seems alot to spend 8 points in, when we already have a HO that gives us that.. how often do we make sure that is up??

No idea if it would be possible to work out approximate dps gain.

Very minimal, I don't think it's worth most people's eight points.That said, I have it, because I'm a sucker for anything that says fencer SMILEY

Krontak · 04-14-2006, 10:06 PM

I like being able to remain in defensive stance now and still be able to make contact with npcs without having to have major +pierce stats on my equip to achieve this. This + will come into play more when you start fighting orange or red npcs.

Severed Ha · 04-14-2006, 10:44 PM

I currently have it myself. I dont rely on it so much for the + to hit but for the + to defense skills. But with the combanation of the 2 I can be in Defense stance with minimal amount of effect on the + pierce/slash and such. While in turn take very little to no damage at all from some mobs due to a higher defense rating. Note though I also have set my character up to have abit more + defense items and such to help with this also.

Rokjin · 04-14-2006, 10:52 PM

I think it's pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good. It mitigates the negative effects of our stances, so for small groups, soloing and PvP it's great. Combined with 8 points in Freehand Reversal (8% riposte/360 parry), my Avoidance in offensive stance (adept 1) at level 60 is 41.8% (with crappy equipment), in Defensive (app 2) I go up to 53.9% avoidance, and am still only 5 points of slashing below the norm for the level.

Mathe · 04-15-2006, 04:41 PM

The defensive abilities are more significant than the offensive ones. However, you can't rely on using Swindler's Luck in raids, so if you have trouble hitting in a raid, Swindler's Luck won't be of help. Everyone in the raid just can't stop using CA's and Spells to let you proc it.

Severed Ha · 04-15-2006, 08:51 PM

Your right about the Raid situation... but you neglect to remember that you can stay in the Offensive Stance or even No stance while in these situations. At which point you are gaining to Defense and Offense skills with No Stance( you just lose the inturrupt and added damage from it). Or you gain back some but not all of your Defense from being in the Offensive stance. And being at a higher skill you will miss less and hit more.. this can be good and bad.. lol. Just make sure to have the anti aggro buffs and poisons going. SMILEY

Krontak · 04-17-2006, 09:35 PM

The defensive abilities are more significant than the offensive ones. However, you can't rely on using Swindler's Luck in raids, so if you have trouble hitting in a raid, Swindler's Luck won't be of help. Everyone in the raid just can't stop using CA's and Spells to let you proc it.

You need to make an HO macro, link a useablity for your HO starter and double-cross to both start and advance the HO quickly to get your swindlers luck off. It works like a charm. I've constantly got swindlers luck up on raids.

Message Edited by Krontak on 04-17-2006 10:36 AM

AegisCrown · 04-17-2006, 10:29 PM

the thing with the offensive abilities is they are [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] easy to get high up, i mean self buffed you cna get to 410 readily if not higher and with grps you cna get 500+ i mean unless your choosing it for the defensive attributes coule isnt worth the 8 points imo

04-14-2006, 09:53 PM	#2
SageGaspar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 964	Awlis wrote: I am just wondering how worth it people think the 15 extra points in offensive are? It seems alot to spend 8 points in, when we already have a HO that gives us that.. how often do we make sure that is up?? No idea if it would be possible to work out approximate dps gain. Very minimal, I don't think it's worth most people's eight points.That said, I have it, because I'm a sucker for anything that says fencer

04-14-2006, 10:06 PM	#3
Krontak Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 438	I like being able to remain in defensive stance now and still be able to make contact with npcs without having to have major +pierce stats on my equip to achieve this. This + will come into play more when you start fighting orange or red npcs. __________________

04-14-2006, 10:44 PM	#4
Severed Ha Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 128	I currently have it myself. I dont rely on it so much for the + to hit but for the + to defense skills. But with the combanation of the 2 I can be in Defense stance with minimal amount of effect on the + pierce/slash and such. While in turn take very little to no damage at all from some mobs due to a higher defense rating. Note though I also have set my character up to have abit more + defense items and such to help with this also. __________________ Severedeye 70 Swashbuckler Permafrost Severedalchemy 56 Warden(64 Alchemist) Permafrost Varity of other Severed----- characters.....(aka Alt-Aholic) AA lvl 30. Pick Pocket.. Wis 4-4-4-6-8 Str 3

04-14-2006, 10:52 PM	#5
Rokjin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 511	I think it's pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good. It mitigates the negative effects of our stances, so for small groups, soloing and PvP it's great. Combined with 8 points in Freehand Reversal (8% riposte/360 parry), my Avoidance in offensive stance (adept 1) at level 60 is 41.8% (with crappy equipment), in Defensive (app 2) I go up to 53.9% avoidance, and am still only 5 points of slashing below the norm for the level. __________________ Braznak, Swashy of Venekor, Darkshine Initiative Leanan Sidhe, Retired, Venekor Rokkah Shineteeths, Retired, Antonia Bayle

04-15-2006, 08:51 PM	#7
Severed Ha Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 128	Your right about the Raid situation... but you neglect to remember that you can stay in the Offensive Stance or even No stance while in these situations. At which point you are gaining to Defense and Offense skills with No Stance( you just lose the inturrupt and added damage from it). Or you gain back some but not all of your Defense from being in the Offensive stance. And being at a higher skill you will miss less and hit more.. this can be good and bad.. lol. Just make sure to have the anti aggro buffs and poisons going. __________________ Severedeye 70 Swashbuckler Permafrost Severedalchemy 56 Warden(64 Alchemist) Permafrost Varity of other Severed----- characters.....(aka Alt-Aholic) AA lvl 30. Pick Pocket.. Wis 4-4-4-6-8 Str 3

04-14-2006, 09:17 PM	#1
Awlis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	I am just wondering how worth it people think the 15 extra points in offensive are? It seems alot to spend 8 points in, when we already have a HO that gives us that.. how often do we make sure that is up?? No idea if it would be possible to work out approximate dps gain.

04-15-2006, 04:41 PM	#6
Mathe Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 261	The defensive abilities are more significant than the offensive ones. However, you can't rely on using Swindler's Luck in raids, so if you have trouble hitting in a raid, Swindler's Luck won't be of help. Everyone in the raid just can't stop using CA's and Spells to let you proc it.

04-17-2006, 09:35 PM	#8
Krontak Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 438	The defensive abilities are more significant than the offensive ones. However, you can't rely on using Swindler's Luck in raids, so if you have trouble hitting in a raid, Swindler's Luck won't be of help. Everyone in the raid just can't stop using CA's and Spells to let you proc it. You need to make an HO macro, link a useablity for your HO starter and double-cross to both start and advance the HO quickly to get your swindlers luck off. It works like a charm. I've constantly got swindlers luck up on raids. Message Edited by Krontak on 04-17-2006 10:36 AM __________________

04-17-2006, 10:29 PM	#9
AegisCrown Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 576	the thing with the offensive abilities is they are [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] easy to get high up, i mean self buffed you cna get to 410 readily if not higher and with grps you cna get 500+ i mean unless your choosing it for the defensive attributes coule isnt worth the 8 points imo __________________ EQ2 Flames - Swashbuckler