Positional attacks

x82nd77 · 03-10-2006, 05:35 AM

Had a question for all you feather wearing scout types. As an assassin I have noticed that every other attack I get needs me to be in stealth from behind. I knew that alot of our attacks were like that but not quite that many.... anyways...

How are you set as far as positional attacks? I know you are being billed as chain tanks with your wisdom line, and was hoping that you had more frontal attacks.

I am an avid soloer and am getting frustrated with waiting for my one cheapshot to refresh to use any of my good skills.

Keldo · 03-10-2006, 05:39 AM

We have:- 1 backstab which requires behind- 2 attacks which require flank or behind- 1 attack which requires flank or front- 1 stealth attack- 6 non positional single target attacks- 2 ranged attacks- 2 PB AE attacks

Luk · 03-10-2006, 07:14 AM

Keldoth wrote:We have:- 1 backstab which requires behind- 2 attacks which require flank or behind- 1 attack which requires flank or front- 1 stealth attack (has a 4 second stun, hard to time when you are soloing/tanking)- 6 non positional single target attacks- 2 ranged attacks- 2 PB AE attacks (1 has a 2 second stun)

Added in our stuns so you can see what we have to work with. Note it is possible to get into stealth and get the stealth attack off (and therefore the stun) while tanking or soloing, you just need to be either lucky or be able to time it well.

x82nd77 · 03-10-2006, 08:14 AM

You mentioned stuns, I have also read about mezes... how many do you get and compaired to cheap shot how useful are they soloing? Do they have that stupid 2sec stipulation?

Ahmuntar · 03-10-2006, 08:34 AM

We have a 30sec mez and it does come in handy when soloing. We can mez the mob than go stealth attack that stuns go behind the mob and do our backstab and two other attacks that need to be behind or flanking the mob. Usually we can have the mob half dead with that combo. Then stun and do all other CA that don't matter where you are positioned and finish off the mob. I have killed yellow ^^^ without taken much or no damage at all.

Message Edited by Ahmuntar on 03-09-200607:34 PM

x82nd77 · 03-10-2006, 08:58 AM

Thank you for all the information! That really solves it for me, now I guess the only question I have left is where I get my feather for my cap... :smileytongue:

Thanks again!

Iseabeil · 03-10-2006, 12:36 PM

The main problem with mez in my eyes is the very limited range on it. Having to be in melee range makes it lose some usability as ye wont be able to AE or use hurricane without having to run around a lot (bad in aggro areas) and atleast for me, lag has made me accidently attack when re-mezzing and managing to toss a poison proc on it.

The short range and longer recast then duration makes it look quite bad when compairing to other classes crowd control at higher levels (it usually stands up better at lower levels tho).

Luk · 03-10-2006, 01:05 PM

our 2 AE's will not break mezz unless you target the mezzed mob, hurricane however will break any and every mezz in the game, it is classed as targeting each mob in front of you and hitting them.

Writer Cal · 03-10-2006, 02:43 PM

Licit wrote:
Added in our stuns so you can see what we have to work with. Note it is possible to get into stealth and get the stealth attack off (and therefore the stun) while tanking or soloing, you just need to be either lucky or be able to time it well.

-- Cheap Shot, run through mob, Cats Paw, Kidney Blow, Lie Low, and Ambuscade.

That's been working real well for me lately. I can't delay on hitting any of them or I'll miss the last one, and a lag spike totally kills it. The timing took a little practice, but I can pull it off most of the time now. I'll usually pull that about halfway through the fight, and I often end up finishing the mob before or right after Ambuscade wears off.

Keldo · 03-10-2006, 03:49 PM

If you take the intel AA line 'boot dagger' you can solo without being touched like this ->Stealth -> Shanghai -> Flurry Mit Debuff -> Flank Mit Debuff -> cheap shot -> 2 misc attacks -> boot dagger -> Shanghai for 14 seconds of stun vs no arrow or down arrow targetsFor ^ or higher you can either swathe stun or cheap shot (2 sec) and get boot dagger + shanghai for 4 seconds of stun as well. This also works with slip away of course but its a longer refresh.

03-10-2006, 05:39 AM	#2
Keldo General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 528	We have:- 1 backstab which requires behind- 2 attacks which require flank or behind- 1 attack which requires flank or front- 1 stealth attack- 6 non positional single target attacks- 2 ranged attacks- 2 PB AE attacks __________________ Katsuki [70 Swashbuckler] Katsu2 [70 Brigand] Blackburrow.Bane

03-10-2006, 12:36 PM	#7
Iseabeil Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 661	The main problem with mez in my eyes is the very limited range on it. Having to be in melee range makes it lose some usability as ye wont be able to AE or use hurricane without having to run around a lot (bad in aggro areas) and atleast for me, lag has made me accidently attack when re-mezzing and managing to toss a poison proc on it. The short range and longer recast then duration makes it look quite bad when compairing to other classes crowd control at higher levels (it usually stands up better at lower levels tho). __________________

03-10-2006, 02:43 PM	#9
Writer Cal Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 700	Licit wrote: Added in our stuns so you can see what we have to work with. Note it is possible to get into stealth and get the stealth attack off (and therefore the stun) while tanking or soloing, you just need to be either lucky or be able to time it well. -- Cheap Shot, run through mob, Cats Paw, Kidney Blow, Lie Low, and Ambuscade. That's been working real well for me lately. I can't delay on hitting any of them or I'll miss the last one, and a lag spike totally kills it. The timing took a little practice, but I can pull it off most of the time now. I'll usually pull that about halfway through the fight, and I often end up finishing the mob before or right after Ambuscade wears off. __________________ ~Daenee~ Member of the Tom Tobey Fan Club since 2010. Homeshow Designs: Deluxe Seaside Cottage Reckoning Goes Corporate

03-10-2006, 03:49 PM	#10
Keldo General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 528	If you take the intel AA line 'boot dagger' you can solo without being touched like this ->Stealth -> Shanghai -> Flurry Mit Debuff -> Flank Mit Debuff -> cheap shot -> 2 misc attacks -> boot dagger -> Shanghai for 14 seconds of stun vs no arrow or down arrow targetsFor ^ or higher you can either swathe stun or cheap shot (2 sec) and get boot dagger + shanghai for 4 seconds of stun as well. This also works with slip away of course but its a longer refresh. __________________ Katsuki [70 Swashbuckler] Katsu2 [70 Brigand] Blackburrow.Bane

03-10-2006, 05:35 AM	#1
x82nd77 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 392	Had a question for all you feather wearing scout types. As an assassin I have noticed that every other attack I get needs me to be in stealth from behind. I knew that alot of our attacks were like that but not quite that many.... anyways... How are you set as far as positional attacks? I know you are being billed as chain tanks with your wisdom line, and was hoping that you had more frontal attacks. I am an avid soloer and am getting frustrated with waiting for my one cheapshot to refresh to use any of my good skills.

03-10-2006, 07:14 AM	#3
Luk General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 897	Keldoth wrote:We have:- 1 backstab which requires behind- 2 attacks which require flank or behind- 1 attack which requires flank or front- 1 stealth attack (has a 4 second stun, hard to time when you are soloing/tanking)- 6 non positional single target attacks- 2 ranged attacks- 2 PB AE attacks (1 has a 2 second stun) Added in our stuns so you can see what we have to work with. Note it is possible to get into stealth and get the stealth attack off (and therefore the stun) while tanking or soloing, you just need to be either lucky or be able to time it well.

03-10-2006, 08:14 AM	#4
x82nd77 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 392	You mentioned stuns, I have also read about mezes... how many do you get and compaired to cheap shot how useful are they soloing? Do they have that stupid 2sec stipulation?

03-10-2006, 08:34 AM	#5
Ahmuntar Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 7	We have a 30sec mez and it does come in handy when soloing. We can mez the mob than go stealth attack that stuns go behind the mob and do our backstab and two other attacks that need to be behind or flanking the mob. Usually we can have the mob half dead with that combo. Then stun and do all other CA that don't matter where you are positioned and finish off the mob. I have killed yellow ^^^ without taken much or no damage at all. Message Edited by Ahmuntar on 03-09-200607:34 PM

03-10-2006, 08:58 AM	#6
x82nd77 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 392	Thank you for all the information! That really solves it for me, now I guess the only question I have left is where I get my feather for my cap... :smileytongue: Thanks again!

03-10-2006, 01:05 PM	#8
Luk General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 897	our 2 AE's will not break mezz unless you target the mezzed mob, hurricane however will break any and every mezz in the game, it is classed as targeting each mob in front of you and hitting them.