The stone of the Shissar

[Sinect]

From 'Beyond the Rune' lore book from nek 3 --

 

(The final page contains two sketches of two runes. They appear as follows: 1. the Rune of Ethernere - There is an image of two triangles turned upon each other and interesecting to create a diamond at the center. 2. The Rune of Sunder - There is an image of a swirling line such as a whirlpool would create when viewed overhead or a spiraled serpent. The Rune of Sunder has a hurried note scribbled in blood all over it. "Look to the stone of the Shissar.")

 

 

----------- Shissar part caught my eye, anyone have info on the Rune of Sunder or understand why the Shissar are mentioned from this book?

[Ama]

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Sinect wrote:

From 'Beyond the Rune' lore book from nek 3 --

 

(The final page contains two sketches of two runes. They appear as follows: 1. the Rune of Ethernere - There is an image of two triangles turned upon each other and interesecting to create a diamond at the center. 2. The Rune of Sunder - There is an image of a swirling line such as a whirlpool would create when viewed overhead or a spiraled serpent. The Rune of Sunder has a hurried note scribbled in blood all over it. "Look to the stone of the Shissar.")

 

 

----------- Shissar part caught my eye, anyone have info on the Rune of Sunder or understand why the Shissar are mentioned from this book?

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Trying to figure that out in the temple of the shadowedman post.  Everling mentions that somehow his gift will be our salvation but exactly how is still a mystery imho. 

[Cusashorn]

We honestly dont know, and its not likely we ever will anytime soon. One can only assume that the Shissar were powerful enough that they knew what they were doing when they got involved with the Void. The fact that the rune even exists is proof enough that they did.

[Ama]

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Cusashorn wrote:

We honestly dont know, and its not likely we ever will anytime soon. One can only assume that the Shissar were powerful enough that they knew what they were doing when they got involved with the Void. The fact that the rune even exists is proof enough that they did.

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One strange assumption that could be possibly made Cusashorn is that the Shissar infact transcended their normal bodies.  Perhaps the Shadowedmen we are seeing are the Shissar in some altered state.  The stone of the Shissar is more of a tablet that tells how they did it and can lead to their ultimate undoing.  Course that's just another paranoid theory of mine. :smileywink:

[Cusashorn]

Possible, but you'd expect them to retain some semblance of thier physical forms if they were.

[ganng]

I think that this is the story of what the shadowed men are/were:

 

Remembrances - DyzAz

This tome bears the title of "Remembrances - DyzAz". When first looking at the text, it appears as if it is written in another language, but after careful examination it most assuredly is written in your native tongue. It's very hard to understand what is being said in this tome. It's possible it was written by a bard that was struck mad (or had one too many glasses of wine).

Log A9-Green: Several more fluctuals were enhanced after the rise of the third sun. I can feel my dizals quiver in alarm. This is definitely out of place.

Log Ce8: The placement of the spindles are out of alignment. This cannot be the case, for I adjusted them earlier between the ninth sun's setting. I am rather disturbed.

Log 99L: GxvveR and Cvxlx are delayed in their daily transference. This is unheard of. I am debating whether or not I should float over to the structure myself. If I catch them careening circles from that spire, they will get no hearth-light before sleep.

Log AA3-Blue: My budded pair concerns me. I have observed them and they appear to be different. Their glow has faded, which is a sign of the Grizzer virus. But Grizzer virus only comes about during the Lain Cycle, which is three cycles from now.

Log Reeg4: The Holy Overlord has quarantined the western house-bowl. My budded pair has become even more sick and it spreads to the other Dyzalar. Their beautiful blue glow is now light-absent, and they no longer recognize me. I fear they are dying.

Log Ff63: I have prayed to all nine of the suns for a blessing, but nothing has changed. My budded pair have now lost their healthy spherical shape. If I get too close, I can feel my glow... weakening. It is as if they are drawing my life into them. They have not even named me as their bud-source for six turns now.

Log 93: I would have never thought it to be possible, but I too have been forced to break the Tymoth Law. My budded pair deceived me into believing they had their round form again. As I was about to spread my glow around them, they changed into limbed horrors and attempted to consume me. I had no choice but to sever their lines.

Log KRV: My simulacrum showed a patch of absent light growing on my upper hemisphere. I have rubbed electrical powder onto that spot, for I do not want the others to know that I have been afflicted. It should not matter, for I see many Dyzalar with light-absent patches these turns. I have even seen the Holy Overlord trying to bandage the limb that is growing from his upper hemisphere.

Log BlueGreenBlue: The Holy Overlord has lifted the quarantine from all house-bowls. We are free to walk upon the ground as we please. It is no longer difficult to approach the others, for we will take the form of the Dyzalar. When they approach, we can offer them the gift of light-absence.

Log 42hg: The true-limbed ones are pleased by our effeciency. The Dyzalar have been deceased. We are the transcended now. All life, all existence, all being. It is all ours to decease. They have told us where to find more existence to consume. We leave this husk behind.

[Ama]

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Cusashorn wrote:

Possible, but you'd expect them to retain some semblance of thier physical forms if they were.

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Unfortunately I never played EQ1 so i'm in the dark here but sometimes a shot in the dark hits its mark. :smileywink:

Basically "What If" the Shissar wanted to completely transcend their physical forms.  They created new forms that would be completely superior to their old ones.  However they still retained their knowledge/skills while gaining new ones during the transcendance.

However if this is the case then my theory about "Lord Chardith" being the creator or a "Great Soldier of The Void" is shot down.  :smileysad:

The story of my character revolves around things experienced 1000 years in the past *EQOA 500 years before EQ1 EQ2 500 years after EQ1 I believe*.  So far I have only found a couple of things that link his experiences and all.

[Cusashorn]

A race of cobra snake men.

[Kryussius]

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Cusashorn wrote:

Possible, but you'd expect them to retain some semblance of thier physical forms if they were.

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Why?

[Cusashorn]

I dont know. You'd just think they'd want to resemble some of thier original physical appearance, thats all.

[Sinect]

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Sinect wrote:

From 'Beyond the Rune' lore book from nek 3 --

 

(The final page contains two sketches of two runes. They appear as follows: 1. the Rune of Ethernere - There is an image of two triangles turned upon each other and interesecting to create a diamond at the center. 2. The Rune of Sunder - There is an image of a swirling line such as a whirlpool would create when viewed overhead or a spiraled serpent. The Rune of Sunder has a hurried note scribbled in blood all over it. "Look to the stone of the Shissar.")

 

 

----------- Shissar part caught my eye, anyone have info on the Rune of Sunder or understand why the Shissar are mentioned from this book?

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Trying to figure that out in the temple of the shadowedman post.  Everling mentions that somehow his gift will be our salvation but exactly how is still a mystery imho. 

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Yea, this lore is written by Lord Rikatus Everling. Anyone ever heard of the Rune of Sunder before?

 

[Kryussius]

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Cusashorn wrote:

I dont know. You'd just think they'd want to resemble some of thier original physical appearance, thats all.

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I dunno.  Most examples in sci-fi / fantasy of beings becoming another higher level of being tend to have them take on whole new forms - usually of some type of energy.On the other hand, coming to a higher level of existence is likely jarring and I can see how some would cling to a familiar form as well.Anyway, was just curious your thoughts behind that.

[Ama]

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Cusashorn wrote:

A race of cobra snake men.

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Actually lookin at that picture i'm starting to see a resemblance.  It's very very minor but I do believe it is there if you look hard enough.

• The shadowedmen have deffinate claws on them which it seems the Shissar do.  Also our Shadowedmen are covered in a dark veil so maybe we can't see their scales.
• Looking at the "Hood" of the Shissar it's possible it became a complete circle protecting a "Weakness" they may have had. 
• Looking at the face it looks like an Iksar to a point however if you put "horns" on it then "distort" the face you eventually get a "Shadowed" being. 

One thing that I really have no clue about in the EQ world itself is the "Essence of Magic". Basically what is magic itself and how does it differ in nature?  What differs between a necromancers magic *negating the reanimation of the undead* and a warlocks spells of disease/poison? 

The main reason I ask that is what if the Shissar "created" a new magic which in essence created the void.  Or perhaps the Shissar "tapped into" an ancient magic that lay dormant thus transforming them giving them new abilities?  Sadly at this time all we can do is speculate on the "Origins of the Shadowedmen" and the shadowed beings such as the lamia and nightblood. 

[Cusashorn]

Those aren't claws. They're 5 digit hands.

[TheWays]

I believe the stone of the shissar and the rune of sunder are 1 and the same, I also do not believe the stone of the shissar to actually be created by the shissar, but simply the parent name for the first civilization to behold the rune of sunder.  It is said in the journal within Rikantus chambers in Nek 3 that these 2 ancient runes were discovered to be the oldest runes on Norrath and in the possesion of the shissar (they were found in the ruins of the capital city of Chelsith), but not of shissar origin.The stone of the Shissar may be more than the rune of sunder, perhaps a way to use the magic of the rune much the way Rikantus and Valdoartus learned how to use the magic of the Rune of "Ethemere", perhaps even a weaponized version of the rune.  The stone of the Shissar could also just be a clue as to where the shissar found the rune of sunder, or it could just be a recipe on how to bake declicious iksarian flank steaks with cracked sunder seasoning.The point is, the Shissar have as much to do with the Rune of Sunder as Ben Franklin does with electricity.  Just because they discovered it, studied it, experimented with it, and catalogued it does not mean they invented it.As far as the shissar becomming the shadowed men.  Thats a bit far fetched, I understand the connection between the lamias and the dryads, but not everything in the void comes from our mortal plane, and we should try to stretch them so that they do.

[Gukkor2]

Hrm...Ethernere is the name of the realm of the dead, iirc, where mortal souls are gathered up and distributed to whichever plane they are to spend their afterlife on.  As I understand it, it's supposed to be a rather unpleasant place, not unlike the Fugue Plain in the Forgotten Realms D&D campaign cosmology.  It seems very likely to me that the beings of the Void have some sort of connection to Ethernere.  Perhaps the Void IS Ethernere, or at least a part of it, or vice versa.  Whichever the case, I do think there's a relation.

[DreamerClou]

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ganng wrote:

I think that this is the story of what the shadowed men are/were:

 

Remembrances - DyzAz

This tome bears the title of "Remembrances - DyzAz". When first looking at the text, it appears as if it is written in another language, but after careful examination it most assuredly is written in your native tongue. It's very hard to understand what is being said in this tome. It's possible it was written by a bard that was struck mad (or had one too many glasses of wine).

Log A9-Green: Several more fluctuals were enhanced after the rise of the third sun. I can feel my dizals quiver in alarm. This is definitely out of place.

Log Ce8: The placement of the spindles are out of alignment. This cannot be the case, for I adjusted them earlier between the ninth sun's setting. I am rather disturbed.

Log 99L: GxvveR and Cvxlx are delayed in their daily transference. This is unheard of. I am debating whether or not I should float over to the structure myself. If I catch them careening circles from that spire, they will get no hearth-light before sleep.

Log AA3-Blue: My budded pair concerns me. I have observed them and they appear to be different. Their glow has faded, which is a sign of the Grizzer virus. But Grizzer virus only comes about during the Lain Cycle, which is three cycles from now.

Log Reeg4: The Holy Overlord has quarantined the western house-bowl. My budded pair has become even more sick and it spreads to the other Dyzalar. Their beautiful blue glow is now light-absent, and they no longer recognize me. I fear they are dying.

Log Ff63: I have prayed to all nine of the suns for a blessing, but nothing has changed. My budded pair have now lost their healthy spherical shape. If I get too close, I can feel my glow... weakening. It is as if they are drawing my life into them. They have not even named me as their bud-source for six turns now.

Log 93: I would have never thought it to be possible, but I too have been forced to break the Tymoth Law. My budded pair deceived me into believing they had their round form again. As I was about to spread my glow around them, they changed into limbed horrors and attempted to consume me. I had no choice but to sever their lines.

Log KRV: My simulacrum showed a patch of absent light growing on my upper hemisphere. I have rubbed electrical powder onto that spot, for I do not want the others to know that I have been afflicted. It should not matter, for I see many Dyzalar with light-absent patches these turns. I have even seen the Holy Overlord trying to bandage the limb that is growing from his upper hemisphere.

Log BlueGreenBlue: The Holy Overlord has lifted the quarantine from all house-bowls. We are free to walk upon the ground as we please. It is no longer difficult to approach the others, for we will take the form of the Dyzalar. When they approach, we can offer them the gift of light-absence.

Log 42hg: The true-limbed ones are pleased by our effeciency. The Dyzalar have been deceased. We are the transcended now. All life, all existence, all being. It is all ours to decease. They have told us where to find more existence to consume. We leave this husk behind.

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Wow, that passage is very creepy.  It really tells us so much, and at the same time, so little.

[Sinect]

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TheWays wrote:
I believe the stone of the shissar and the rune of sunder are 1 and the same, I also do not believe the stone of the shissar to actually be created by the shissar, but simply the parent name for the first civilization to behold the rune of sunder.  It is said in the journal within Rikantus chambers in Nek 3 that these 2 ancient runes were discovered to be the oldest runes on Norrath and in the possesion of the shissar (they were found in the ruins of the capital city of Chelsith), but not of shissar origin.

The stone of the Shissar may be more than the rune of sunder, perhaps a way to use the magic of the rune much the way Rikantus and Valdoartus learned how to use the magic of the Rune of "Ethemere", perhaps even a weaponized version of the rune.  The stone of the Shissar could also just be a clue as to where the shissar found the rune of sunder, or it could just be a recipe on how to bake declicious iksarian flank steaks with cracked sunder seasoning.

The point is, the Shissar have as much to do with the Rune of Sunder as Ben Franklin does with electricity.  Just because they discovered it, studied it, experimented with it, and catalogued it does not mean they invented it.

As far as the shissar becomming the shadowed men.  Thats a bit far fetched, I understand the connection between the lamias and the dryads, but not everything in the void comes from our mortal plane, and we should try to stretch them so that they do.

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Which journal? I must have missed that

[Vyrance]

i just think it means we'll be running into the shissar in one of the future expansions and in their normal forms, not any transcended form.

[Cusashorn]

But they went Boom when the moon exploded....

[Rabid-Othmir]

How do we know they didn't spread out or even fully leave Luclin before everything went to hell?

[Cusashorn]

We dont, but as xenophobic and self-centered as they were, I'm not putting off the option that they chose to completely ignore any and all warnings that something might be happening.

[ganng]

The shissar are not the shadowed men as a matter of fact I think the things we call shadowed men are not shadowed men at all...

 

Let me explain, in EQ1 "shadowed men" were invisible humanoids while the lore primer in EQ2 states that they evolved from their previous form to the swirling masses we see today I think it is wrong in this assumption.  In the passage I posted from the remembrances series I feel clearly shows where these impostors we call shadowed men came from additionally the passage refers to the true limed ones.  These true limed ones are in fact the invisible shadowed men we knew from EQ1 and as a matter of fact have returned to our world of EQ2 in the OoB.  As such the things we called shadowed men from the OoLS were these tainted energy orb beings that grew dark, sprouted limbs in their upper hemisphere and search the worlds in a effort to infiltrate and spread the gift of unlight.

 

Asside from this have we discovered much in the OoB that links back into the Everling story?  I only ask because the OoLS plays a large role in the Everling story and if this saga is to continue it would seem logical that the OoB would be a great place for it to continue onto.

[Vyrance]

the Shissar fled to Luclin to escape the doom of the Greenmist.  the Shissar could have escaped back to Kunark to avoid the doom of the moon exploding also.  not to mention that the Gods were gone from Norrath during the time the moon exploded, the Shissar could have returned back to Kunark, or elsewhere on Norrath, without fear of the Greenmist coming for them again.so its very possible that they will be seen again.

Message Edited by Vyrance on 12-16-2006 11:49 AM

[Cusashorn]

The Shissar would *NEVER* risk anything that could lead to them being exposed to the Greenmist again. That stuff nearly turned thier whole race extinct. It has them so scared that they would never EVER risk moving back to a place where it can get to them. They've become paranoid that the gods are still out to get them. Besides. The gods were absent when the greenmist killed the Ogres....

[Vyrance]

the Greenmist retaliated against actions done to what it was protecting, i guess you could say.and you cant really say the shissar would never return back to Norrath.  with the moon exploding, why would they stay and die?  if they wanted to live, and could do something about it, they may have returned to Norrath.

[Cusashorn]

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't put it past them to choose to ignore any warning signs that something was about to happen.

[Sinect]

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Cusashorn wrote:

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't put it past them to choose to ignore any warning signs that something was about to happen.

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I understand what your saying and Im not disagreeing with you. There are tons of possibilities that could lead to different conclusions. Anyone have any info that their entire race was on luclin?

[Kryussius]

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Cusashorn wrote:

The Shissar would *NEVER* risk anything that could lead to them being exposed to the Greenmist again. That stuff nearly turned thier whole race extinct. It has them so scared that they would never EVER risk moving back to a place where it can get to them. They've become paranoid that the gods are still out to get them. Besides. The gods were absent when the greenmist killed the Ogres....

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Unless, of course, the .. you know ... devs say otherwise.Also, the gods weren't entirely absent.  Their avatars were the ones leading the war, and it was Cazic Thule's hand that released the Greenmist, so he was apparently still lingering around.

[Ama]

I went in search of answers today and it only got me to a dead end.  :smileysad:

 

Examining the idol it talked about beyond fiends and flesh through a tunnel of death.  I'll have to get the full dialogue but I went searching in the Living Tombs and Silent City but to no avail.  Hopefully I can follow up some other leads that I may have.