Worship Rallos Zek?

Voliere · 08-16-2006, 09:54 AM

What I started wondering today when wandering through freeport is why would either city, qeynos or freeport, allow anyone at this point to worship rallos zek, and can it even be said like the other gods he chose to abondon the mortal races? Because he certainly did not. I can see how Antonia Bayle and Lucan may allow worshipers of nearly any of the other gods but not zek, as they are STILL recovering from the battle of his followers. The only way to fit into a Roleplay standpoint for the worship of this god, and perhaps certain others (veeshan for example) is to perhaps have these be "secret" socities with their temples outside the cities or in hidden catacombs or something to that nature.The devs still have not stated (only a bunch of posters have) that the worship of specific gods will not be allowed to certain factions, but who would know who you worshiped anyway unless you decided to say? I was a half elf bard in eq 1 that worshiped veeshan, and my other elf brethren never knew, so why would antonia or lucan know unless we were avid church goers? =)Like to hear peoples opinions on both these points. 1. How should the Devs handle the worship of Rallos Zek? (argueably the cause of norraths present turmoil).2. Should the worship of certain gods be restricted by class? race? or city faction? (would a paladin worship innoruk? a dark elf tunare? well cant say anything about city, but what about exilies?)

Cusashorn · 08-16-2006, 10:21 AM

Ummmm because he's the God of WAR, perhaps?

Any reason to fight someone on the battlefield with swords and armor and blood. Even if you don't agree with what he's done in teh past doesn't mean you don't have to worship him for his influence.

Ogrebe · 08-16-2006, 01:40 PM

Voliere wrote:What I started wondering today when wandering through freeport is why would either city, qeynos or freeport, allow anyone at this point to worship rallos zek, and can it even be said like the other gods he chose to abondon the mortal races? Because he certainly did not. I can see how Antonia Bayle and Lucan may allow worshipers of nearly any of the other gods but not zek, as they are STILL recovering from the battle of his followers. The only way to fit into a Roleplay standpoint for the worship of this god, and perhaps certain others (veeshan for example) is to perhaps have these be "secret" socities with their temples outside the cities or in hidden catacombs or something to that nature.The devs still have not stated (only a bunch of posters have) that the worship of specific gods will not be allowed to certain factions, but who would know who you worshiped anyway unless you decided to say? I was a half elf bard in eq 1 that worshiped veeshan, and my other elf brethren never knew, so why would antonia or lucan know unless we were avid church goers? =)Like to hear peoples opinions on both these points. 1. How should the Devs handle the worship of Rallos Zek? (argueably the cause of norraths present turmoil).2. Should the worship of certain gods be restricted by class? race? or city faction? (would a paladin worship innoruk? a dark elf tunare? well cant say anything about city, but what about exilies?)

Well how do you fit the ogres in the city of Freeport, when the ogre's almost destory the city of freeport? But in the end.. they are in the city of freeport, even though in a roleplaying stand point i wouldn't want the race that almost destoryed my city in my city.

Zabjade · 08-16-2006, 02:09 PM

Might be time to have Bumba's Ogres face off against the Zek war parolees?

IrishWonder · 08-16-2006, 03:48 PM

Ogrebear wrote:
Well how do you fit the ogres in the city of Freeport, when the ogre's almost destory the city of freeport? But in the end.. they are in the city of freeport, even though in a roleplaying stand point i wouldn't want the race that almost destoryed my city in my city.

There was a clan of ogres in Freeport during the onset of the war. They fought for Freeport, not for the Second Rallosian Army. The Rallosian ogres were all destroyed by the Greenmist. The ogres we as PCs play are the ones who fought for Freeport.

Alikari · 08-16-2006, 05:35 PM

not necessarily.. whether you started playing then or not.. when eq2 was first released..you started off as a refugee that the pirates picked up and then dropped off on the isle of refuge where you chose your city and then had to gain citizenship before being allowed into the city proper. so alot of those ogres weren't in freeport.

RaphaNissi · 08-16-2006, 05:39 PM

There are a lot of Freeportians who are just waiting around for someone other than Lucan to follow. There are lots of people who roleplay as a follower of Zek already. Lucan might have a fight on his hands, but he isn't going to be able to keep everyone in his city from following their choice of deity. Maybe the devs are already setting the stage with the herlads of Cazic and Zek both found outside the city. You may be right in thinking their temples might be found in other lands.

KniteShayd · 08-16-2006, 07:18 PM

Alikari wrote:
not necessarily.. whether you started playing then or not.. when eq2 was first released..you started off as a refugee that the pirates picked up and then dropped off on the isle of refuge where you chose your city and then had to gain citizenship before being allowed into the city proper. so alot of those ogres weren't in freeport.

from an RP standpoint, this doesnt havta apply. The n00b isle is only to intro n00b players to the game so that they understand the mechanics. just because you have to do at least one thing on the isle doesnt mean that everyone was found and dropped there.

KniteShayd · 08-16-2006, 07:28 PM

Voliere wrote:
What I started wondering today when wandering through freeport is why would either city, qeynos or freeport, allow anyone at this point to worship rallos zek, and can it even be said like the other gods he chose to abondon the mortal races? Because he certainly did not. I can see how Antonia Bayle and Lucan may allow worshipers of nearly any of the other gods but not zek, as they are STILL recovering from the battle of his followers.

The only way to fit into a Roleplay standpoint for the worship of this god, and perhaps certain others (veeshan for example) is to perhaps have these be "secret" socities with their temples outside the cities or in hidden catacombs or something to that nature.

The devs still have not stated (only a bunch of posters have) that the worship of specific gods will not be allowed to certain factions, but who would know who you worshiped anyway unless you decided to say? I was a half elf bard in eq 1 that worshiped veeshan, and my other elf brethren never knew, so why would antonia or lucan know unless we were avid church goers? =)
yes they have: Rallos, Cazic, Innoruuk-FP only, Tunare, Quell, Mith Marr- Qeynos, Brell and SolRo- any it was jindrak or illucide that made the confirming post i beleive

Like to hear peoples opinions on both these points.

1. How should the Devs handle the worship of Rallos Zek? (argueably the cause of norraths present turmoil). Anyone who likes to fight can be a follower of Zek. So there really is no reason why FP would allow him to be worshiped in private. they are a military type dictatorship, and I'm sure lucan would call on his help if he needed it. that is, after he realizes he's not all that powerful after all. That said, there should be no reason why he would be special in exemption.

2. Should the worship of certain gods be restricted by class? race? or city faction? (would a paladin worship innoruk? a dark elf tunare? well cant say anything about city, but what about exilies?) This is a hard call to make. being that the game is AR/AC, i would say let anyone worship anyone but from an RP perspective, i cant see a ranger worshiping Solusek Ro or a high elf worshiping Brell. but, then again if they do, i'm sure there is a good reason for it.

I do see the point your trying to make though. I, personally, would resent him for his attempted genocide if I was a freep.

Voliere · 08-16-2006, 08:19 PM

Thanks for all your replies! So no rallos zek for qeynosians huh? Wasnt he worshipable by good chartacters in EQ 1? I am not sure about that, and I am still waiting for their complete list of gods. I am somewhat worried how these special benefits or powers from worshiping a particular god will be handled as it will most likely start a long series of threads of people comparing the powers and arguing over some being overpowered/underpowered. Tunare is also a diffucly one for me, the mother of the high elves and wood elves, a "good" god by all accounts but just simply abondoned them for a time? I hope they add in game stories etc as to why each god left norrath, as for some like tunare, i really dont see her leaving because she grew jealous of the mortal races growing power. It seems like it would take a great deal more than that for her to turn her back on her people. Also, a god like veeshan doesnt care much about mortals anyway and would have remained for her beloved dragons would she not? Maybe they can tie something in with her and the kingdom of the sky where she only left those dragons bound on earth or something.Lastly, since I have so many great posters here. I am trying to find some more information on ratongas, as what I have found is very little. Who is my god? and some more information on where I really came from would be nice, as the whole from underground bit isnt very thorough. Look forward to hearing from you! =)

Cusashorn · 08-16-2006, 08:31 PM

Rallos Zek was always an evil god, but the faction system in EQlive was much more flexible because being a Human Warrior of Qeynos who worshipped Rallos Zek influenced your faction more from being a Human Warrior than from worshipping RZ.

RaphaNissi · 08-16-2006, 08:33 PM

There is some info here and here and here. There is probably more if you do a search for Ratonga just on the History and Lore boards. Hope you find lots of useful information.

Cusashorn · 08-16-2006, 08:38 PM

Ratongas were created by Brell Serilis.

Alikari · 08-16-2006, 08:47 PM

KniteShayd wrote:

Alikari wrote:
not necessarily.. whether you started playing then or not.. when eq2 was first released..you started off as a refugee that the pirates picked up and then dropped off on the isle of refuge where you chose your city and then had to gain citizenship before being allowed into the city proper. so alot of those ogres weren't in freeport.

from an RP standpoint, this doesnt havta apply. The n00b isle is only to intro n00b players to the game so that they understand the mechanics. just because you have to do at least one thing on the isle doesnt mean that everyone was found and dropped there.

exactly why i said.. not necessarily. plenty have told their stories of how they made it to freeport. i was just pointing out that the ogres living in freeport now werent necessarily the ones that fought for freeport. my dark elf did not fight for and holds no love for freeport.. and while he builds his factions to afford certain amenities.. if given the option he would move back to neriak and forsake freeport and its ruler.

KniteShayd · 08-16-2006, 08:50 PM

Voliere wrote:
Thanks for all your replies! So no rallos zek for qeynosians huh? Wasnt he worshipable by good chartacters in EQ 1? I am not sure about that, and I am still waiting for their complete list of gods. I am somewhat worried how these special benefits or powers from worshiping a particular god will be handled as it will most likely start a long series of threads of people comparing the powers and arguing over some being overpowered/underpowered.
Hear ya on that.

Tunare is also a diffucly one for me, the mother of the high elves and wood elves, a "good" god by all accounts but just simply abondoned them for a time? I hope they add in game stories etc as to why each god left norrath, as for some like tunare, i really dont see her leaving because she grew jealous of the mortal races growing power. It seems like it would take a great deal more than that for her to turn her back on her people. Also, a god like veeshan doesnt care much about mortals anyway and would have remained for her beloved dragons would she not? Maybe they can tie something in with her and the kingdom of the sky where she only left those dragons bound on earth or something.
Some say they never left us, they were just "quiet" for a time. (Along time by most race standards) which is quite possible, but only time and lore will tell.

KoS zones are parts or remnants of the old Plane of Sky. Veeshan's nature was to deposit her brood on worlds she came across, leaving her mark, and moving on to the next world.

Lastly, since I have so many great posters here. I am trying to find some more information on ratongas, as what I have found is very little. Who is my god? and some more information on where I really came from would be nice, as the whole from underground bit isnt very thorough. Look forward to hearing from you! =)

hope that helped a little.

IrishWonder · 08-17-2006, 09:45 AM

Well, OK, not ALL of the ogres in Freeport have to be ones who fought for them in the war :smileywink:

But none of them fought against Freeport... those all OD'd on the Greenmist (though some of the ones who were fighting in Guk at the time are still around.)

Kyvthuhlu · 08-21-2006, 11:42 AM

I'd like to refer you to a quest in the Commonlands where you, even as a native member of Freeport, conjure the ghost of an Orc who killed many of your people to offer him his blade and honor/respect him because he was a great warrior, regardless of his side.War is the most neutral tool in history.

08-16-2006, 01:40 PM	#3
Ogrebe General Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Silicon Valley Posts: 383	Voliere wrote:What I started wondering today when wandering through freeport is why would either city, qeynos or freeport, allow anyone at this point to worship rallos zek, and can it even be said like the other gods he chose to abondon the mortal races? Because he certainly did not. I can see how Antonia Bayle and Lucan may allow worshipers of nearly any of the other gods but not zek, as they are STILL recovering from the battle of his followers. The only way to fit into a Roleplay standpoint for the worship of this god, and perhaps certain others (veeshan for example) is to perhaps have these be "secret" socities with their temples outside the cities or in hidden catacombs or something to that nature.The devs still have not stated (only a bunch of posters have) that the worship of specific gods will not be allowed to certain factions, but who would know who you worshiped anyway unless you decided to say? I was a half elf bard in eq 1 that worshiped veeshan, and my other elf brethren never knew, so why would antonia or lucan know unless we were avid church goers? =)Like to hear peoples opinions on both these points. 1. How should the Devs handle the worship of Rallos Zek? (argueably the cause of norraths present turmoil).2. Should the worship of certain gods be restricted by class? race? or city faction? (would a paladin worship innoruk? a dark elf tunare? well cant say anything about city, but what about exilies?) Well how do you fit the ogres in the city of Freeport, when the ogre's almost destory the city of freeport? But in the end.. they are in the city of freeport, even though in a roleplaying stand point i wouldn't want the race that almost destoryed my city in my city. __________________ Ogrebear's Thoughts -- My EQ2 and MMO blog

08-16-2006, 02:09 PM	#4
Zabjade Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,631	Might be time to have Bumba's Ogres face off against the Zek war parolees? __________________

08-16-2006, 03:48 PM	#5
IrishWonder Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Alabama, USA Posts: 458	Ogrebear wrote: Well how do you fit the ogres in the city of Freeport, when the ogre's almost destory the city of freeport? But in the end.. they are in the city of freeport, even though in a roleplaying stand point i wouldn't want the race that almost destoryed my city in my city. There was a clan of ogres in Freeport during the onset of the war. They fought for Freeport, not for the Second Rallosian Army. The Rallosian ogres were all destroyed by the Greenmist. The ogres we as PCs play are the ones who fought for Freeport. __________________ The only Light you'll see from me, is that which burns the soul to see. Shadowreap Deathbane, The First Dark Elf Conjuror on Guk troopsofdoom.com - VIDEOS OF RAID MOBS!!! Nexona, Trakanon, Wuoshi, and more!

08-16-2006, 05:35 PM	#6
Alikari Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 22	not necessarily.. whether you started playing then or not.. when eq2 was first released..you started off as a refugee that the pirates picked up and then dropped off on the isle of refuge where you chose your city and then had to gain citizenship before being allowed into the city proper. so alot of those ogres weren't in freeport. __________________

08-16-2006, 05:39 PM	#7
RaphaNissi The Athenaeum Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 721	There are a lot of Freeportians who are just waiting around for someone other than Lucan to follow. There are lots of people who roleplay as a follower of Zek already. Lucan might have a fight on his hands, but he isn't going to be able to keep everyone in his city from following their choice of deity. Maybe the devs are already setting the stage with the herlads of Cazic and Zek both found outside the city. You may be right in thinking their temples might be found in other lands. __________________

08-16-2006, 09:54 AM	#1
Voliere Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 59	What I started wondering today when wandering through freeport is why would either city, qeynos or freeport, allow anyone at this point to worship rallos zek, and can it even be said like the other gods he chose to abondon the mortal races? Because he certainly did not. I can see how Antonia Bayle and Lucan may allow worshipers of nearly any of the other gods but not zek, as they are STILL recovering from the battle of his followers. The only way to fit into a Roleplay standpoint for the worship of this god, and perhaps certain others (veeshan for example) is to perhaps have these be "secret" socities with their temples outside the cities or in hidden catacombs or something to that nature.The devs still have not stated (only a bunch of posters have) that the worship of specific gods will not be allowed to certain factions, but who would know who you worshiped anyway unless you decided to say? I was a half elf bard in eq 1 that worshiped veeshan, and my other elf brethren never knew, so why would antonia or lucan know unless we were avid church goers? =)Like to hear peoples opinions on both these points. 1. How should the Devs handle the worship of Rallos Zek? (argueably the cause of norraths present turmoil).2. Should the worship of certain gods be restricted by class? race? or city faction? (would a paladin worship innoruk? a dark elf tunare? well cant say anything about city, but what about exilies?)

08-16-2006, 10:21 AM	#2
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Ummmm because he's the God of WAR, perhaps? Any reason to fight someone on the battlefield with swords and armor and blood. Even if you don't agree with what he's done in teh past doesn't mean you don't have to worship him for his influence.

08-16-2006, 07:18 PM	#8
KniteShayd Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,190	Alikari wrote: not necessarily.. whether you started playing then or not.. when eq2 was first released..you started off as a refugee that the pirates picked up and then dropped off on the isle of refuge where you chose your city and then had to gain citizenship before being allowed into the city proper. so alot of those ogres weren't in freeport. from an RP standpoint, this doesnt havta apply. The n00b isle is only to intro n00b players to the game so that they understand the mechanics. just because you have to do at least one thing on the isle doesnt mean that everyone was found and dropped there.

08-16-2006, 07:28 PM	#9
KniteShayd Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,190	Voliere wrote: What I started wondering today when wandering through freeport is why would either city, qeynos or freeport, allow anyone at this point to worship rallos zek, and can it even be said like the other gods he chose to abondon the mortal races? Because he certainly did not. I can see how Antonia Bayle and Lucan may allow worshipers of nearly any of the other gods but not zek, as they are STILL recovering from the battle of his followers. The only way to fit into a Roleplay standpoint for the worship of this god, and perhaps certain others (veeshan for example) is to perhaps have these be "secret" socities with their temples outside the cities or in hidden catacombs or something to that nature. The devs still have not stated (only a bunch of posters have) that the worship of specific gods will not be allowed to certain factions, but who would know who you worshiped anyway unless you decided to say? I was a half elf bard in eq 1 that worshiped veeshan, and my other elf brethren never knew, so why would antonia or lucan know unless we were avid church goers? =) yes they have: Rallos, Cazic, Innoruuk-FP only, Tunare, Quell, Mith Marr- Qeynos, Brell and SolRo- any it was jindrak or illucide that made the confirming post i beleive Like to hear peoples opinions on both these points. 1. How should the Devs handle the worship of Rallos Zek? (argueably the cause of norraths present turmoil). Anyone who likes to fight can be a follower of Zek. So there really is no reason why FP would allow him to be worshiped in private. they are a military type dictatorship, and I'm sure lucan would call on his help if he needed it. that is, after he realizes he's not all that powerful after all. That said, there should be no reason why he would be special in exemption. 2. Should the worship of certain gods be restricted by class? race? or city faction? (would a paladin worship innoruk? a dark elf tunare? well cant say anything about city, but what about exilies?) This is a hard call to make. being that the game is AR/AC, i would say let anyone worship anyone but from an RP perspective, i cant see a ranger worshiping Solusek Ro or a high elf worshiping Brell. but, then again if they do, i'm sure there is a good reason for it. I do see the point your trying to make though. I, personally, would resent him for his attempted genocide if I was a freep.

08-16-2006, 08:19 PM	#10
Voliere Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 59	Thanks for all your replies! So no rallos zek for qeynosians huh? Wasnt he worshipable by good chartacters in EQ 1? I am not sure about that, and I am still waiting for their complete list of gods. I am somewhat worried how these special benefits or powers from worshiping a particular god will be handled as it will most likely start a long series of threads of people comparing the powers and arguing over some being overpowered/underpowered. Tunare is also a diffucly one for me, the mother of the high elves and wood elves, a "good" god by all accounts but just simply abondoned them for a time? I hope they add in game stories etc as to why each god left norrath, as for some like tunare, i really dont see her leaving because she grew jealous of the mortal races growing power. It seems like it would take a great deal more than that for her to turn her back on her people. Also, a god like veeshan doesnt care much about mortals anyway and would have remained for her beloved dragons would she not? Maybe they can tie something in with her and the kingdom of the sky where she only left those dragons bound on earth or something.Lastly, since I have so many great posters here. I am trying to find some more information on ratongas, as what I have found is very little. Who is my god? and some more information on where I really came from would be nice, as the whole from underground bit isnt very thorough. Look forward to hearing from you! =)

08-16-2006, 08:31 PM	#11
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Rallos Zek was always an evil god, but the faction system in EQlive was much more flexible because being a Human Warrior of Qeynos who worshipped Rallos Zek influenced your faction more from being a Human Warrior than from worshipping RZ.

08-16-2006, 08:33 PM	#12
RaphaNissi The Athenaeum Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 721	There is some info here and here and here. There is probably more if you do a search for Ratonga just on the History and Lore boards. Hope you find lots of useful information. __________________

08-16-2006, 08:38 PM	#13
Cusashorn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cheeseland, USA Posts: 14,919	Ratongas were created by Brell Serilis.

08-16-2006, 08:47 PM	#14
Alikari Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 22	KniteShayd wrote: Alikari wrote: not necessarily.. whether you started playing then or not.. when eq2 was first released..you started off as a refugee that the pirates picked up and then dropped off on the isle of refuge where you chose your city and then had to gain citizenship before being allowed into the city proper. so alot of those ogres weren't in freeport. from an RP standpoint, this doesnt havta apply. The n00b isle is only to intro n00b players to the game so that they understand the mechanics. just because you have to do at least one thing on the isle doesnt mean that everyone was found and dropped there. exactly why i said.. not necessarily. plenty have told their stories of how they made it to freeport. i was just pointing out that the ogres living in freeport now werent necessarily the ones that fought for freeport. my dark elf did not fight for and holds no love for freeport.. and while he builds his factions to afford certain amenities.. if given the option he would move back to neriak and forsake freeport and its ruler. __________________

08-16-2006, 08:50 PM	#15
KniteShayd Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,190	Voliere wrote: Thanks for all your replies! So no rallos zek for qeynosians huh? Wasnt he worshipable by good chartacters in EQ 1? I am not sure about that, and I am still waiting for their complete list of gods. I am somewhat worried how these special benefits or powers from worshiping a particular god will be handled as it will most likely start a long series of threads of people comparing the powers and arguing over some being overpowered/underpowered. Hear ya on that. Tunare is also a diffucly one for me, the mother of the high elves and wood elves, a "good" god by all accounts but just simply abondoned them for a time? I hope they add in game stories etc as to why each god left norrath, as for some like tunare, i really dont see her leaving because she grew jealous of the mortal races growing power. It seems like it would take a great deal more than that for her to turn her back on her people. Also, a god like veeshan doesnt care much about mortals anyway and would have remained for her beloved dragons would she not? Maybe they can tie something in with her and the kingdom of the sky where she only left those dragons bound on earth or something. Some say they never left us, they were just "quiet" for a time. (Along time by most race standards) which is quite possible, but only time and lore will tell. KoS zones are parts or remnants of the old Plane of Sky. Veeshan's nature was to deposit her brood on worlds she came across, leaving her mark, and moving on to the next world. Lastly, since I have so many great posters here. I am trying to find some more information on ratongas, as what I have found is very little. Who is my god? and some more information on where I really came from would be nice, as the whole from underground bit isnt very thorough. Look forward to hearing from you! =) hope that helped a little.

08-17-2006, 09:45 AM	#16
IrishWonder Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Alabama, USA Posts: 458	Well, OK, not ALL of the ogres in Freeport have to be ones who fought for them in the war :smileywink: But none of them fought against Freeport... those all OD'd on the Greenmist (though some of the ones who were fighting in Guk at the time are still around.) __________________ The only Light you'll see from me, is that which burns the soul to see. Shadowreap Deathbane, The First Dark Elf Conjuror on Guk troopsofdoom.com - VIDEOS OF RAID MOBS!!! Nexona, Trakanon, Wuoshi, and more!

08-21-2006, 11:42 AM	#17
Kyvthuhlu Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 108	I'd like to refer you to a quest in the Commonlands where you, even as a native member of Freeport, conjure the ghost of an Orc who killed many of your people to offer him his blade and honor/respect him because he was a great warrior, regardless of his side.War is the most neutral tool in history. __________________