Items every Mystic should try to get?

[VazzX]

Anyone got a list of really good items for mystics?One I could think of is the Manastone. I got it with my Fury and it helped me alot.

[thedu]

Anything with Flowing Thought.Gold Efreeti Boots -- I, uhmm, still need to do this  (T5)Screaming Mace -- Uh, yeah, been lazy about this too (T5)That new Egg..something item: it is a Symbol and has FT4 on it. I just got tonight in the Nest. (T7)If possible any +WIS dolls, preferrably the highest possible.  Available at any Tier.Any kind of imbued +WIS item for ranged or secondary. Available at any Tier.

[kykta]

I would add the Class Hat that drops from the Keeper in Vault of El'Arad.

It has a clickable Cannibalize of around 500 HP for 205 Power and can be used every 30 secs.

I'm at work atm but can post the screen shot later on.

Update - screenshot below

 

Message Edited by kyktarn on 03-16-200610:18 AM

[tebion]

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kyktarn wrote:

I'm at work atm but can post the screen shot later on.

 

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please oh please do!

[Ordate]

Its not a screenie but the stats are:

str 15, sta 15, wis 24, 55 health, 65 power, 630 cold, 490 disease, 560 divine, 357 mitigation.

 

Effect canabilize:  which is 205 mana for 499 health, useable every 30 seconds, instant cast, and oddly enough the damage can be mitigated.

[thedu]

Oh my...the vault is definetly next fro me!

[drayhe]

Message Edited by drayhelf on 03-16-200608:30 AM

[Banditman]

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thedump wrote:That new Egg..something item: it is a Symbol and has FT4 on it. I just got tonight in the Nest. (T7)

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Leggsicon.Now, one thing to consider is the items themselves.  As a raider, I do understand and agree that usually FT is very important.  However, you must also consider fight length.In most situations outside of raiding, FT isn't as valuable, especially at low levels like FT4.Leggsicon for instance is a raid only tool for me.  I have some other silly thing that the named Treant on Drednever Crash Site drops.  It's got like 23 Wisdom and 75 Power versus 10 Wisdom and 50 Power for Leggsicon.In a normal fight, I have more power with the Treant drop than Leggsicon.  The total power over 60 seconds for it is 115 (Wis) + 75 (raw) = 190 power.  Leggicon is 50 (Wis) + 50 (raw) + 40 (FT) = 140 power.  It actually takes a fight that lasts over two minutes before Leggsicon is a better choice in normal grouping.Raiding of course changes this.  As a Mystic in a normal group, it's pretty unlikely that you're at your Wisdom cap, however, in a raid, you are probably getting pretty close.  So now, the power from Wis might be less, and with longer fights, the Leggsicon pulls ahead.Play smart.

Message Edited by Banditman on 03-16-200611:08 AM

[drayhe]

You could also use the Draconolorum Grimoire instead of the Leggsicon.  14 STA, 20 WIS, 483 vs mental, and FT 4.

[Thatdumbg]

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Banditman wrote:

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thedump wrote:That new Egg..something item: it is a Symbol and has FT4 on it. I just got tonight in the Nest. (T7)

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Leggsicon.Now, one thing to consider is the items themselves.  As a raider, I do understand and agree that usually FT is very important.  However, you must also consider fight length.In most situations outside of raiding, FT isn't as valuable, especially at low levels like FT4.Leggsicon for instance is a raid only tool for me.  I have some other silly thing that the named Treant on Drednever Crash Site drops.  It's got like 23 Wisdom and 75 Power versus 10 Wisdom and 50 Power for Leggsicon.In a normal fight, I have more power with the Treant drop than Leggsicon.  The total power over 60 seconds for it is 115 (Wis) + 75 (raw) = 190 power.  Leggicon is 50 (Wis) + 50 (raw) + 40 (FT) = 140 power.  It actually takes a fight that lasts over two minutes before Leggsicon is a better choice in normal grouping.Raiding of course changes this.  As a Mystic in a normal group, it's pretty unlikely that you're at your Wisdom cap, however, in a raid, you are probably getting pretty close.  So now, the power from Wis might be less, and with longer fights, the Leggsicon pulls ahead.Play smart.

Message Edited by Banditman on 03-16-200611:08 AM

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   What you say is valid, to an extent, but I disagree slighty. This is the same calculation I use for raids; but in groups, your argument is only true in groups where your power has a chance to actually reach 100 percent (where you can take advantage of having max power). In fast paced groups where you don't ever hit 100 percent, the FT will allow you to go much longer without taking a break. For me, that is for the most part indefinitely (FT46 and that hat). However, if there is a situation where your power useage across the group isn't even, then that is another factor to keep in mind, so even my rule isn't always valid.

[paisan]

While the higher wisdom/power gear may have a better number on paper i believe that the flowing thought gear is better practically.

People view your power as a percentage and therefore make assumptions based on that. Regen helps you stay on the up and up.

Normally if you are going to need every ounce of power you have the fight will be more than 2 minutes.

If you get a combat res you will actually be able to get back in the fight.

Solo you can be cheap and not need to use drink. =P

Sure you can swap gear out but that is a pain and i already have a LOT of swapout as it is.

[Banditman]

I still disagree even in a fast pull group, unless of course you have zero "out of combat" time.Once you are out of combat, the most important thing is your power pool.  Second most important is . . . drink.Remember, when out of combat, your power regen with NO OTHER EFFECTS is merely 4% of your total power pool.  So, with a 5k power pool your out of combat regen is 200 / tick . . . add another 100 / tick from drink for 300 / tick and that FT4 item looks pretty tiny indeed.Take Leggsicon for example.Let's say you are in a fast pulling group, a group that spends between 7 and 17 seconds between combat pulls.  This means you are getting a total of 2 ticks of out of combat regen between pulls.Leggsicon gives you:(2 ticks x 4 power (FT)) + ( (100 x .04) x 2) = 16 power per break between pulls.My silly little item gives you:( (190 x .04) x 2) = 15 power per break between pulls.In fact, it's actually 7.6 / tick.  If rounding follows standard procedures, the power each item gives you is actually identical.Once you get out of combat for more than 2 ticks, the effects of FT fall off even more.Now, I'm still in strong favor of FT for raids, it's just crazy not to do it.  However, for standard groups, bigger pool is seemingly the way to go. 

[thedu]

I do agree with BM about the Leggicon being more a Raid tool rather than an xp group. But I had that and two other FT items equipped last night in an XP/quest group in the nest mostly because the tanks and DPS were fairly higher in level; and I didn't have worry too much about healing.  The other reason for the Legg's that I like is that I think it's an extremely good item to use with AA Ritual for healing  -- I could almost make macro for this in terms of healing, i.e. cast Ritual then the heal spell.

[Banditman]

Sure, there are reasons to use everything, and in a raid Leggsicon is a godsend.Remember, just like Battlement, identical FT doesn't stack either.  There are a LOT of FT3 items out there, but not so many FT4's.The key to being the best you can be is to really understand the mechanics and tailor yourself to the situation.  I carry so much spare gear it's just silly.

[paisan]

I hear ya bandit, but the difference isn't that much under normal circumstances.

 When things get rough there is no time between pulls. mis-pull of 2-3 encounters lets say... an add maybe.

Also the combat res situation. (and solo cheapness)

Plus power for me is like money... if you have a lot you will spend a lot. I think having a larger income is better than money in the bank. Until the gambling goblins power investment brokerages pop up atleast.

[paisan]

Actually identical FT versions DO stack as long as theyre not on the same item.

[Banditman]

Positive about that?  BotM still doesn't stack . . .

[paisan]

Yes they left BotM behind and changed FT a while back. The only piece i don't think stacks is if you have 2 items that are the same with FT... like 2 legsicon's. But you could use legsicon and that grimore book that both have FT4.

[Banditman]

Well that was a Brokeback move if I ever saw one.I still have two FT7 (aka BotM) items.  :/(I don't see the difference, but that's just me)

[paisan]

Yea BotM is the blacksheep of the mana regen family apparently =P

[Jora']

Just in case there are some that don't know, the runed combine talisman (bom item) fits snuggly in the ranged slot. Now if only it would increase avoidance :/

 

[Nacire]

I can confirm like named FT effects do stack, any and all regen effects stack till the cap with the only 2 exceptions being battlement of the mind which was specifically nerfed back when RoI was changed to INT on the robe with a normal named FT effect, and prismatic 1.0/2.0 which also do not stack with each other.  Devs stated that there were far too many readily available battlement items to have them stack and there was a HUGE stink about it when the change went through, but they left all other FT alone and all the rest stacks.

I have specifically tested Leggiscion and Draconolorum Grimiore together (both FT4) and they work like a champ.

[Pingu_cfc]

From BM cube event. Was like /mine when i saw :p

[Banditman]

Vestiment of the Devout has FT3 and is fairly common.

[radical_EDWARD]

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tebion wrote:

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kyktarn wrote:

I'm at work atm but can post the screen shot later on.

 

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please oh please do!

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Message Edited by radical_EDWARD on 03-21-200608:15 AM

[thedu]

Wow, I kind of like that better than the white one..