Ward stacking vs. other heal types

Nahlis · 02-21-2006, 06:32 PM

I've long noticed that wards between Mystics and Defilers do not stack. For example, if I place a single target ward on the groups MT and then an second later a Defiler in the group does the same with his single target ward mine is instantly cancelled in favor of his (or vice versa depending on whose lands last). I had assumed that this was the case with Warden/Fury regens and Templar/Inquisitor reactives as well. Yet yesterday I found out that Druid and Cleric type heals stack with the other sub-class.

Just wondering if anyone knows why this is the case for regens and reactives but not for wards? Is there a special mechanic I'm not aware of that makes this necessary or...?

While I'm pestering you all with questions, does anyone know if there is a set order that dmg is dealt with between healer types or is it just a matter of which spells land in what order? ie. If there is a ward, a reactive and a regen on the MT and he takes dmg which of the 3 heal types will deal with the dmg?

Any info is much appreciated. Thanks all!

Goshik · 02-21-2006, 06:53 PM

I was also under the impression that Fury/Warden regens did not stack..

Vanyari wrote:
While I'm pestering you all with questions, does anyone know if there is a set order that dmg is dealt with between healer types or is it just a matter of which spells land in what order? ie. If there is a ward, a reactive and a regen on the MT and he takes dmg which of the 3 heal types will deal with the dmg?

The three types of spells work differently and all deal with damage in their own way.-- Assuming that all three spells are on the MT at the same time as damage is coming in:- The ward blocks some, if not all, of the incoming damage.- The reactive heals the MT for a small amount at the same time as the hit either bounces off or goes through the ward.- The regen works entirely independent of hits and just sends heals the MT's way every couple of seconds.

tebion · 02-21-2006, 07:13 PM

no, no special heal stacks within the archetypetemplar single reactive won't stack with inquisitor single reactivewarden single regen won't stack with fury single regenbut for exapmle a templar single reactive will stack with an inquisitor group reactive, but that's the same for allwhy do you think they stack? if they really do it can only be a bug as it is definitely intended not to stack within an archetype.to the second question: as goshikku said (although i am not sure if the reactive is triggered if the ward catches the complete damage)

Nahlis · 02-21-2006, 07:24 PM

Someone within the guild mentioned that Templar and Inquisitor reactives stacked. I replied that I knew this was not the case with Shaman wards so was surprised that reactives behaved differently. Other guild members were interested in the results as well so apparently it was tested last night (I was not on myself) by Druids and Clerics of both sub-classes. Both reported stacking working. Now I'm not saying heals were somehow parsed to check. With wards I can see mine dropping immediately from my Maintained Spells window when a Defiler casts one after me. This is what was checked for the other healing classes... did the original spell drop from the Maintained window when the equivelant spell was cast by the other sub-class. Only with Shaman wards did this happen.Oh... and many thanks to both of ya for the reply to my 2nd query.

Goshik · 02-21-2006, 10:14 PM

Unless I read incorrectly, the reactives used to not trigger when all damage was absorbed but this issue was corrected in an update.The logic being that it no longer says "failed to inflict damage" but rather "hits soandso for 0 points of damage."That's what I understand.Don't necessarily quote me on it, though. SMILEY

Ahlspiess · 02-23-2006, 11:44 AM

Like Shamans Warden's and Fury's HoT spells don't stack nor do several of our other spells. This is coming from a Warden.

Formangenavn · 02-23-2006, 02:11 PM

Be glad your direct heals stack, not all do :smileysad:

Bolr · 02-23-2006, 03:44 PM

Formangenavn wrote:
Be glad your direct heals stack, not all do :smileysad:

Direct heals (as I understand the term) don't have any duration. How could they stack?

tebion · 02-23-2006, 03:56 PM

Bolrus wrote:
Formangenavn wrote:
Be glad your direct heals stack, not all do :smileysad:
Direct heals (as I understand the term) don't have any duration. How could they stack?

druid direct heals have a regeneration part in it, they dont heal their full power with one shot as the other priest's healsthere was a problem with their direct heals stacking ... but i thought/really hoped that was fixed? is that not the case? then its really bad :/

Message Edited by tebion on 02-23-200602:57 AM

Formangenavn · 02-23-2006, 04:48 PM

Not Druids, Wardens only. And to the best of my knowledge this is not fixed. That does infact mean that if there are 2 wardens healing, one will be DH at 50 % efficiency.

This is becaouse our direct heals are 50 % up front and 50 % over time (more or less)

Again, I do not think this is fixed. Beeing a Warden I would only hope I had picked that up, I appologise if I am wrong.

paisan · 02-25-2006, 02:58 AM

Technically our direct heals don't stack either our special effect is just so worthless we forget it exists.

(increases max hp)

Sorano · 02-26-2006, 12:20 PM

Coming from a warden, no our single target speciality heal HoT does not stack with a furys. I have seen my single target HoT overwritten on many an occasion on a raid so trust me they do not stack. However our group HoT does stack. As does the group reactive of two clerics. I assumed that it was the same for the 2 shammy classes with your group ward, but several posters say otherwise. It could just be that it is more difficult to see if two wards are stacking because you can't see the damage that is blocked. SOE really need to put in a display line in logs that show exactly how much damage wards are preventing.

TangBaBa · 02-27-2006, 03:03 AM

Vanyari wrote:

While I'm pestering you all with questions, does anyone know if there is a set order that dmg is dealt with between healer types or is it just a matter of which spells land in what order? ie. If there is a ward, a reactive and a regen on the MT and he takes dmg which of the 3 heal types will deal with the dmg?

Any info is much appreciated. Thanks all!

I'm pretty sure the ward takes priority over the other two until it is consumed. After that - I'm not sure which (between the regen or the reactive) would take precedence.

Dragonreal · 02-27-2006, 08:19 PM

Priority order is ward then reactive then regen, though technically regen can "take priority" by the fact that it ticks while no dmg is incoming

02-21-2006, 06:32 PM	#1
Nahlis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 171	I've long noticed that wards between Mystics and Defilers do not stack. For example, if I place a single target ward on the groups MT and then an second later a Defiler in the group does the same with his single target ward mine is instantly cancelled in favor of his (or vice versa depending on whose lands last). I had assumed that this was the case with Warden/Fury regens and Templar/Inquisitor reactives as well. Yet yesterday I found out that Druid and Cleric type heals stack with the other sub-class. Just wondering if anyone knows why this is the case for regens and reactives but not for wards? Is there a special mechanic I'm not aware of that makes this necessary or...? While I'm pestering you all with questions, does anyone know if there is a set order that dmg is dealt with between healer types or is it just a matter of which spells land in what order? ie. If there is a ward, a reactive and a regen on the MT and he takes dmg which of the 3 heal types will deal with the dmg? Any info is much appreciated. Thanks all! __________________

02-21-2006, 06:53 PM	#2
Goshik General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5	I was also under the impression that Fury/Warden regens did not stack.. Vanyari wrote: While I'm pestering you all with questions, does anyone know if there is a set order that dmg is dealt with between healer types or is it just a matter of which spells land in what order? ie. If there is a ward, a reactive and a regen on the MT and he takes dmg which of the 3 heal types will deal with the dmg? The three types of spells work differently and all deal with damage in their own way.-- Assuming that all three spells are on the MT at the same time as damage is coming in:- The ward blocks some, if not all, of the incoming damage.- The reactive heals the MT for a small amount at the same time as the hit either bounces off or goes through the ward.- The regen works entirely independent of hits and just sends heals the MT's way every couple of seconds.

02-21-2006, 07:13 PM	#3
tebion Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 258	no, no special heal stacks within the archetypetemplar single reactive won't stack with inquisitor single reactivewarden single regen won't stack with fury single regenbut for exapmle a templar single reactive will stack with an inquisitor group reactive, but that's the same for allwhy do you think they stack? if they really do it can only be a bug as it is definitely intended not to stack within an archetype.to the second question: as goshikku said (although i am not sure if the reactive is triggered if the ward catches the complete damage) __________________ small and proud of it

02-21-2006, 07:24 PM	#4
Nahlis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 171	Someone within the guild mentioned that Templar and Inquisitor reactives stacked. I replied that I knew this was not the case with Shaman wards so was surprised that reactives behaved differently. Other guild members were interested in the results as well so apparently it was tested last night (I was not on myself) by Druids and Clerics of both sub-classes. Both reported stacking working. Now I'm not saying heals were somehow parsed to check. With wards I can see mine dropping immediately from my Maintained Spells window when a Defiler casts one after me. This is what was checked for the other healing classes... did the original spell drop from the Maintained window when the equivelant spell was cast by the other sub-class. Only with Shaman wards did this happen.Oh... and many thanks to both of ya for the reply to my 2nd query. __________________

02-23-2006, 03:44 PM	#8
Bolr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 72	Formangenavn wrote: Be glad your direct heals stack, not all do :smileysad: Direct heals (as I understand the term) don't have any duration. How could they stack?

02-21-2006, 10:14 PM	#5
Goshik General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5	Unless I read incorrectly, the reactives used to not trigger when all damage was absorbed but this issue was corrected in an update.The logic being that it no longer says "failed to inflict damage" but rather "hits soandso for 0 points of damage."That's what I understand.Don't necessarily quote me on it, though.

02-23-2006, 11:44 AM	#6
Ahlspiess Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 96	Like Shamans Warden's and Fury's HoT spells don't stack nor do several of our other spells. This is coming from a Warden.

02-23-2006, 02:11 PM	#7
Formangenavn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 334	Be glad your direct heals stack, not all do :smileysad:

02-23-2006, 03:56 PM	#9
tebion Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 258	Bolrus wrote: Formangenavn wrote: Be glad your direct heals stack, not all do :smileysad: Direct heals (as I understand the term) don't have any duration. How could they stack? druid direct heals have a regeneration part in it, they dont heal their full power with one shot as the other priest's healsthere was a problem with their direct heals stacking ... but i thought/really hoped that was fixed? is that not the case? then its really bad :/ Message Edited by tebion on 02-23-200602:57 AM __________________ small and proud of it

02-23-2006, 04:48 PM	#10
Formangenavn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 334	Not Druids, Wardens only. And to the best of my knowledge this is not fixed. That does infact mean that if there are 2 wardens healing, one will be DH at 50 % efficiency. This is becaouse our direct heals are 50 % up front and 50 % over time (more or less) Again, I do not think this is fixed. Beeing a Warden I would only hope I had picked that up, I appologise if I am wrong.

02-25-2006, 02:58 AM	#11
paisan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 277	Technically our direct heals don't stack either our special effect is just so worthless we forget it exists. (increases max hp) __________________

02-26-2006, 12:20 PM	#12
Sorano Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 505	Coming from a warden, no our single target speciality heal HoT does not stack with a furys. I have seen my single target HoT overwritten on many an occasion on a raid so trust me they do not stack. However our group HoT does stack. As does the group reactive of two clerics. I assumed that it was the same for the 2 shammy classes with your group ward, but several posters say otherwise. It could just be that it is more difficult to see if two wards are stacking because you can't see the damage that is blocked. SOE really need to put in a display line in logs that show exactly how much damage wards are preventing. __________________

02-27-2006, 03:03 AM	#13
TangBaBa Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 103	Vanyari wrote: While I'm pestering you all with questions, does anyone know if there is a set order that dmg is dealt with between healer types or is it just a matter of which spells land in what order? ie. If there is a ward, a reactive and a regen on the MT and he takes dmg which of the 3 heal types will deal with the dmg? Any info is much appreciated. Thanks all! I'm pretty sure the ward takes priority over the other two until it is consumed. After that - I'm not sure which (between the regen or the reactive) would take precedence. __________________ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Level 70 Delusionist, IRL

02-27-2006, 08:19 PM	#14
Dragonreal General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,554	Priority order is ward then reactive then regen, though technically regen can "take priority" by the fact that it ticks while no dmg is incoming