Ward Stacking broken???

[paisan]

I ran a test for ha-ha's today... targeted a monk casted my ST ward and then had a grouped defiler cast his. Sure enough his overrode mine and vice-versa. (was looking at the icons for buffs on target window and had the monk check his as well)

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[canislupus64]

They sure do not.

 

It kinda sucks but it plays on the same principal as the Courage buff line all healers get. The base mit increase only happens once but they other little things like 87 pt ward ect.. will work as they are different.

[ShadowyStingray]

Unfortunately, this is not new news.  All priest specialty heals (single target and group) behave this way with similar classes, be it shaman, cleric or druid.  It would be pretty overpowering if any classes could stack more than one of their specialty heals - if it were possible, you could imagine a scenario where a raid MT group full of shaman (or any other class) could keep up several 'layers' of specialty heals at all times on the MT, making him/her almost impervious to damage.  This is why it's generally not very efficient to have 2 or more priests of the same class in a group without coordination or delegation of responsibilities.

[Banditman]

Aye - not new.The way we work it in our raids is to have the healers in the MT group use their Group Specialty Heals exclusively, and assign another healer of the same class from outside the MT group to use their Single Target Specialty Heal.

[Sillililygirl]

I grouped with another mystic recently....The cool part was all my buffs were doubled.The bad part is that he didn't talk.

[thedu]

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Sillililygirl wrote:The cool part was all my buffs were doubled.

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Hmmm?? The higher or better level should supercede another mystic's buffs.

[ctrcivic]

Interesting topic......yeah I know our buffs stack....now with the wards...I had the defiler in my group cast his single target ward and then I casted mine and both icons where still up on our buff bars....so I would think they did stack........what would make you think that they wouldn't.....are we looking at the wrong icon bars or what? Not calling you a liar.....just want to get to the bottom of this so I can work the best I can with our raid defiler.Thanks

[Eepop]

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Sillililygirl wrote:I grouped with another mystic recently....The cool part was all my buffs were doubled.The bad part is that he didn't talk.

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If you pay attention to your stats, the two buffs "stick" in that you can both have them up.  But they do not both add the stats, and hence don't "stack".Sticking is nice if one of you dies, as the group will just use the other's buffs.

[paisan]

Im actually amazed that i missed this concept...

 

Never really had other shaman that i raided/grouped with... with the addition of a few defilers to our raidforce this is definitely an issue that i'm glad i know of now. Thanks

[Thatdumbg]

It applies to many buffs as well. For instance, Portent gives more HP but less power then Foretelling. If you place them both on the target, you get the higher of the two effects, i.e., the health of Portent and power of Foretelling. Another example of this can be found in our resist lines... if both classes have them up, you end up with the poison from ours and disease from theres. The effects of the spells are 928/1160 and 1160/928, only the 1160's are applied.There is a general set of stacking rules within each class (shaman, druid, cleric), and a set of stacking rules that generally applies to all priests that is fairly easy to understand once you realize which spells of theirs mirror which of yours. For instance, priest-wide, the mitigation granted from our group mit buff line at master is the same as any other priest, and they do not stack (just the physical mit portion that all priests receive). The max health/resist buffs work the same, the 321 (master) doesn't stack (well, it DIDNT stack, but in this update they now stack; I'm assuming it is a bug).

[ctrcivic]

So a simple fix for this is to have me group warding in MT and have the other shaman on raids using their Single target ward.

[vicario]

That's what I would do...that's what we do now...

 

In regards to buffs the better one will override the lesser one...example:

 

60 Defiler has a buff that gives a ton of HP to another player.  60 Mystic casts foretelling it adds nothing to health but adds more to the targets power pool. 

 

Basically as a rule of thumb try not to have the same type of class in a group.  It's one of the reasons why immediately drop from groups when people group two similar classes - it's just wrong!

 

 

[Eepop]

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vicarious wrote: 

Basically as a rule of thumb try not to have the same type of class in a group.  It's one of the reasons why immediately drop from groups when people group two similar classes - it's just wrong!

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If you are in a full group, you can actually manage decently.Imagine this set up:MysticDefilerTankScoutMage1Mage2Mystic runs:Spirit of Mammoth: Str & Stamina Runic Talisman: Mitigation & physical wardForetelling: SelfForetelling: Mage1Foretelling: Mage2Defiler Runs:Rapacity: Str + HPMalevolent Efflux: HP + noxious resistsPortent: SelfPortent: TankPortent: ScoutOnly thing not stacking is the STR.One does group ward, one does single target ward, depending on who has what upgraded better.While it would be more potent to have two healers of different classes, this will work fine.  Buffs can be configured to give about as much oomf as different classed characters.  The healing power won't make much of a difference, since either one of them could have main healed solo, and the debuffs the two contribute can seriously turn a mob into a babbling infant.

[Thatdumbg]

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ctrcivic wrote:So a simple fix for this is to have me group warding in MT and have the other shaman on raids using their Single target ward.

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Often this tactic isn't even necessary. On alot of raids (pretty much unless you are clearing trash), a 1500 point ward goes down in under a second, so overwriting isn't nearly as prevelant as it could potentially be with druids or templars. But, when the tank is at (or near) 100 percent and I am in the MT group, yes, I use the group ward. Other then that I think it takes too dang long to cast. Of course I might also cast it even at 80 or 90 if I know heals from other classes will land in that 5 seconds and it is a fight where large spikes aren't present.

[Eepop]

You can also alternate one person using thier level 50 stun specialty and the other person doing the other stuff.