So much for the combat revamp following "shortly" after LU#12

disru · 07-28-2005, 09:38 PM

Test Update #13a:

*** Guild Status ***

- We have removed the concept of patrons from guilds. Earned status is now divided by the number of unique accounts in your guild (minimum of 6, maximum of 24).

- Example 1: If you have 40 members in your guild (10 of which are alts) you'd have 30 unique accounts. That's over the maximum cap of 24, so any new guild status earned would be divided by 24.

- Example 2: If you have 4 members in your guild and you earn guild status, it will be divided by 6 (the minimum number).

*** Gameplay ***

- Spell range is now less sensitive to targets being above or below you, which should result in less "out of range" messages in situations where you are obviously in range of the target. Please note that NPCs also benefit from this fix.

*** Quests ***

- Vaniki's Ring is available for purchase at a nominal charge for those who completed the quest but did not receive the reward. Please see the Sages in your respective cities.

- Adventurers entering the Shiny Brass Shield quest instance must now stand on the pedestal in order to begin the event. The reward for completing the quest will vary by archetype: Priests and Scouts receive a buckler version, while Fighters and Mages receive a kite version.

- Adventurers can now obtain the Electrified Bone Bladed Claymore after they've finished the original quest. By right-clicking on the forge in Runnyeye with both the standard BBC and Berik, Sword of Thunder in your inventory (but not equipped), you can "Break Berik over the forge." Berik and the BBC will be removed from your inventory and you will receive the Electrified Bone Bladed Claymore. Note: If you choose to do this, you cannot change the EBBC back to the other two swords, so please be sure of your decision.

- The forge will now accept any of the following three types of ebon for the fifth stage of the BBC quest: Ebon Cluster, Shaped Ebon Coin, or Bent Ebon Disk.

*** Items ***

- All versions of a Spellbinder's Ebon Sconce should now be usable when placed in a house.

*** Spells and Combat Arts ***

- The Warden's Wisp spell should no longer cause players to fall through the world.

*** Tradeskills ***

- The level 20 Woodworker recipes Canvas Thread & Yarn now use the proper skills.

- The Provisioner workshop task will now accept the correct type of omelets.

*** Controls, Commands, and User Interface ***

- When using Smooth Fonts, you can now change all text in the user interface to a small sans serif font. To enable this feature, open the Options menu and click the User Interface button, then click the plus sign (+) next to Game Windows. Check the "Use small sans serif font" box. Note: This option is not available in all localized versions of the game.

*** Art ***

- Barbarian and froglok males are now shirtless under their armor.

- There should no longer be distortion around the outline of characters or objects visible in front of water. Note: There are different types of water in the game, and not all of them have been updated yet. Please do not /bug water types that still have distortion until this change goes live.

- Griffins now sometimes glide rather than always flapping their wings. Griffins need a break, too.

===========================
Steve Danuser, a.k.a. Moorgard
Game Designer, EverQuest II

So where's the revamp?

Loral · 07-28-2005, 09:51 PM

2 persons knows the answer for sure. One of them has been crucified some 2000 years ago (depending on your religion), the other one is actually programming the changes.

All the rest are guesses and speculation.

Banditman · 07-28-2005, 10:54 PM

DoF Beta people know the answer too, since it is supposedly running on that server.

disru · 07-29-2005, 01:08 AM

Banditman wrote:DoF Beta people know the answer too, since it is supposedly running on that server.

Yep, and if the revamp is ready enough for an expansion beta server, how is it not ready for a Test server?

Banditman · 07-29-2005, 07:04 PM

I am unable to answer that question . . .

Eepop · 07-29-2005, 07:06 PM

disrupt wrote:Yep, and if the revamp is ready enough for an expansion beta server, how is it not ready for a Test server?

Well the beta server is covered by a NDA, so they do not have to worry about changing things and people complaining that change A that got dropped in favor of change B would have been better. Its silly that people will hold them accountable for what appears on Test, but we all know that people do. So they want to refine the changes to a point where they won't change much before putting it in the public eye.

Banditman · 07-29-2005, 07:36 PM

Very insightful . . .

MrFlob · 07-29-2005, 09:05 PM

yes but its good to see griffons dont need to flap their wings the whole flight ..they can glide now

disru · 07-29-2005, 09:14 PM

Eepop wrote:Well the beta server is covered by a NDA, so they do not have to worry about changing things and people complaining that change A that got dropped in favor of change B would have been better. Its silly that people will hold them accountable for what appears on Test, but we all know that people do. So they want to refine the changes to a point where they won't change much before putting it in the public eye.

Isn't that what the internal Test sever is for? They do have one SMILEY

Banditman · 07-29-2005, 09:29 PM

Hypothetically . . . The combat rebalance could be at a point where it wasn't yet ready for test, but knowing that it WOULD be ready for DoF, put it there since balancing and testing the DOF expansion would need to be based upon the new system. One thing I've noticed about "Test" is that once something gets there it is coming Live . . . usually within a week or two. They aren't using "Test" as a place to catch the majority of their bugs.

Eepop · 07-29-2005, 09:31 PM

As for thier internal testing server...there is a limited population obviously. Also you have to take into account that the people that design something are rarely adept at breaking it (they have already fixed anything they could have thought of to break it). So for this set of massive changes they want to have a larger population to test it, while still not putting it in the public eye. Now an over-simplified example... Say they make mystic slows 100% and the mob does no autoattack damage. And coercers get powerdrains that allow them to neuter a mob's spells/combat arts. Perhaps they didnt see the connection, but then they see two people duo the hardest raid mob in the game. So they have to scale back the abilities because they work well in tandem. But mystics liked the idea of a 100% slow, whining insues, etc. Believe me, I am not saying the situation doesnt suck... I made a post just like this a couple weeks ago. :smileywink: At least we've got a date for sure now, before Desert of Flames.

07-28-2005, 09:51 PM	#2
Loral General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 614	2 persons knows the answer for sure. One of them has been crucified some 2000 years ago (depending on your religion), the other one is actually programming the changes. All the rest are guesses and speculation. __________________

07-28-2005, 10:54 PM	#3
Banditman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,459	DoF Beta people know the answer too, since it is supposedly running on that server. __________________

07-29-2005, 01:08 AM	#4
disru Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 285	Banditman wrote:DoF Beta people know the answer too, since it is supposedly running on that server. Yep, and if the revamp is ready enough for an expansion beta server, how is it not ready for a Test server? __________________ Please go voice your disdain for Mystic nerfage here!

07-29-2005, 07:04 PM	#5
Banditman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,459	I am unable to answer that question . . . __________________

07-29-2005, 07:06 PM	#6
Eepop Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 704	disrupt wrote:Yep, and if the revamp is ready enough for an expansion beta server, how is it not ready for a Test server? Well the beta server is covered by a NDA, so they do not have to worry about changing things and people complaining that change A that got dropped in favor of change B would have been better. Its silly that people will hold them accountable for what appears on Test, but we all know that people do. So they want to refine the changes to a point where they won't change much before putting it in the public eye. __________________

07-28-2005, 09:38 PM	#1
disru Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 285	Test Update #13a: * Guild Status * - We have removed the concept of patrons from guilds. Earned status is now divided by the number of unique accounts in your guild (minimum of 6, maximum of 24). - Example 1: If you have 40 members in your guild (10 of which are alts) you'd have 30 unique accounts. That's over the maximum cap of 24, so any new guild status earned would be divided by 24. - Example 2: If you have 4 members in your guild and you earn guild status, it will be divided by 6 (the minimum number). * Gameplay * - Spell range is now less sensitive to targets being above or below you, which should result in less "out of range" messages in situations where you are obviously in range of the target. Please note that NPCs also benefit from this fix. * Quests * - Vaniki's Ring is available for purchase at a nominal charge for those who completed the quest but did not receive the reward. Please see the Sages in your respective cities. - Adventurers entering the Shiny Brass Shield quest instance must now stand on the pedestal in order to begin the event. The reward for completing the quest will vary by archetype: Priests and Scouts receive a buckler version, while Fighters and Mages receive a kite version. - Adventurers can now obtain the Electrified Bone Bladed Claymore after they've finished the original quest. By right-clicking on the forge in Runnyeye with both the standard BBC and Berik, Sword of Thunder in your inventory (but not equipped), you can "Break Berik over the forge." Berik and the BBC will be removed from your inventory and you will receive the Electrified Bone Bladed Claymore. Note: If you choose to do this, you cannot change the EBBC back to the other two swords, so please be sure of your decision. - The forge will now accept any of the following three types of ebon for the fifth stage of the BBC quest: Ebon Cluster, Shaped Ebon Coin, or Bent Ebon Disk. * Items * - All versions of a Spellbinder's Ebon Sconce should now be usable when placed in a house. * Spells and Combat Arts * - The Warden's Wisp spell should no longer cause players to fall through the world. * Tradeskills * - The level 20 Woodworker recipes Canvas Thread & Yarn now use the proper skills. - The Provisioner workshop task will now accept the correct type of omelets. * Controls, Commands, and User Interface * - When using Smooth Fonts, you can now change all text in the user interface to a small sans serif font. To enable this feature, open the Options menu and click the User Interface button, then click the plus sign (+) next to Game Windows. Check the "Use small sans serif font" box. Note: This option is not available in all localized versions of the game. * Art * - Barbarian and froglok males are now shirtless under their armor. - There should no longer be distortion around the outline of characters or objects visible in front of water. Note: There are different types of water in the game, and not all of them have been updated yet. Please do not /bug water types that still have distortion until this change goes live. - Griffins now sometimes glide rather than always flapping their wings. Griffins need a break, too. =========================== Steve Danuser, a.k.a. Moorgard Game Designer, EverQuest II So where's the revamp? __________________ Please go voice your disdain for Mystic nerfage here!

07-29-2005, 07:36 PM	#7
Banditman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,459	Very insightful . . . __________________

07-29-2005, 09:05 PM	#8
MrFlob Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 35	yes but its good to see griffons dont need to flap their wings the whole flight ..they can glide now

07-29-2005, 09:14 PM	#9
disru Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 285	Eepop wrote:Well the beta server is covered by a NDA, so they do not have to worry about changing things and people complaining that change A that got dropped in favor of change B would have been better. Its silly that people will hold them accountable for what appears on Test, but we all know that people do. So they want to refine the changes to a point where they won't change much before putting it in the public eye. Isn't that what the internal Test sever is for? They do have one __________________ Please go voice your disdain for Mystic nerfage here!

07-29-2005, 09:29 PM	#10
Banditman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,459	Hypothetically . . . The combat rebalance could be at a point where it wasn't yet ready for test, but knowing that it WOULD be ready for DoF, put it there since balancing and testing the DOF expansion would need to be based upon the new system. One thing I've noticed about "Test" is that once something gets there it is coming Live . . . usually within a week or two. They aren't using "Test" as a place to catch the majority of their bugs. __________________

07-29-2005, 09:31 PM	#11
Eepop Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 704	As for thier internal testing server...there is a limited population obviously. Also you have to take into account that the people that design something are rarely adept at breaking it (they have already fixed anything they could have thought of to break it). So for this set of massive changes they want to have a larger population to test it, while still not putting it in the public eye. Now an over-simplified example... Say they make mystic slows 100% and the mob does no autoattack damage. And coercers get powerdrains that allow them to neuter a mob's spells/combat arts. Perhaps they didnt see the connection, but then they see two people duo the hardest raid mob in the game. So they have to scale back the abilities because they work well in tandem. But mystics liked the idea of a 100% slow, whining insues, etc. Believe me, I am not saying the situation doesnt suck... I made a post just like this a couple weeks ago. :smileywink: At least we've got a date for sure now, before Desert of Flames. __________________