Useless 'Irritating Swarm' made WORSE in LU24 -- that takes talent.

Gertack_v2 · 05-24-2006, 09:03 AM

No, really. The debuff is currently worthless and now you're making it worse. Good job, that takes effort.(As of today it is back to skill debuffs on encounter instead of single, but 1 minute recast instead of 30 seconds and no power drain, not that it did anything.)

Message Edited by Gertack on 05-24-2006 01:05 AM

Meattray · 05-24-2006, 09:42 AM

So your saying its back to old debuff, but now encounter wide with no power drain?

Need a little more info please.

Please Devs do not take away a debuff that works on epics, we do not have the best debuffs.

If it is to stay a stifle give us reduced effect on epic, please do not take a debuff that works on epics away from us.

People say it is a crap debuff, it is not that bad. It is a very underrated debuff for caster mobs.

Taylon

70 Fury, Najena

Message Edited by Meattray on 05-23-2006 10:44 PM

Gertack_v2 · 05-24-2006, 09:55 AM

I got the info from the other thread, just wanted to call more attention to it.

quetzaqotl · 05-24-2006, 04:55 PM

Just posting to say /agree if this change goes out with lu24 it will be obvious how clueless the devs are of their own game mechanics.

In its current form this spell has no measurable effect in pve other than a very small in 99.9% of the cases worthless mana drain.

Making this spell group wide doesnt help it making its recast 1 min is rediculous, theyve had this spell in their hands and have been changing it, it makes me wonder then why didnt they make it somewhat useful?

I mean you have this spell youre working on that does next to nothing, you turn it into a stiffle (=useful) then you decide nah lets make it useless once again?!?

Im getting sick of this stupid spell just remove it and give us another dot or dd I suppose that would be easier to code than giving furies some crowd control or actually a nice debuff.

Gertack_v2 · 05-24-2006, 08:22 PM

At least the power drain might've been useful for the PvP people (or duels, neither of which I care about). Nobody mentioned the casting time but if it is still 1.5 seconds, at least I can finally throw it of my hotbar as never worth the time to cast, even in the vague hope it really does something.

Ryuugekitai · 05-24-2006, 08:55 PM

I used the drain on PvE already : against priest mob that heal themselves faster than I could kill them but don't hit too hard

I would tank them with the screaming mass use manastone every time it's up and maintain the mana drain on them, and it works. One of the orcs in cleft that pop in the room after the blade master, next to the round table is such a priest, before KoS I used to solo hunt the nameds here, and it would take about 15 minutes to kill it that way.

The stifle would have come in handy in such a situation, reducing the fight time down to about 30 seconds which would have been really great, but no ...

The drain was useful on PvP too, some class have too much DPS to allow us to do anything other than heal ourselves, and draining their mana shortened the fight a bit : once oom we could cast our LLLLLOOOONNNGGGG casting blasts.

So yes the power drain was useful even if only a little, and made the spell worth something, but now ...

Message Edited by Ryuugekitai on 05-24-2006 06:57 PM

quetzaqotl · 05-24-2006, 08:56 PM

Got a pm from gallenite (btw gallenite rocks one of the only devs that respond to pm's or read them)

I asked what he thought about the new irr swarm (amongst other things so this is a fraction of what he said but the rest wasnt about this issue) this is what he said:

"I'm going to ask about the spell change - That sounds unusual."

So I have good hope this spell will be looked into yet again, lets hope they make it useful.

Also again I wouldve liked it if a fury who plays on test would keep us informed as this is all second hand info.

colonel75thr · 05-25-2006, 04:31 PM

Does this go for the entire line? I am curious regarding maddening swarm.. It was being buffed up in LU24, is it now being nerfed?

quetzaqotl · 05-25-2006, 05:14 PM

irritating swarm is the lowerbie version of maddening swarm so yeah if one gets changed the other one will too.

Sunlei · 05-25-2006, 05:26 PM

Furys at this time have no encounter wide debuff.

Encounterwide debuff would be *very* welcome to me..i miss the encounter debuff we lost in lu 13 a lot.

This new encounterwide debuff of casters focus/casting skills, if they could add a bit of debuff to melee skills be very cool!

quetzaqotl · 05-25-2006, 05:28 PM

Irritating swarm in its current form is trash making it group wide doesnt change a thing it just turns it in group wide trash oh maybe on pvp but I dont care for that.

They should make irritating swarm a 10 second stiffle every 45 secs

and madd swarm a 15 second stiffle every 45 seconds.

That would make this spell MUCH more useful.

munos · 05-25-2006, 05:30 PM

Im not sure why they changed it for myself. i just got it a few levels ago and I liked it for the fast cast and extra damage it did esp for pvp. I have used it enough in pvp not to see if it is better or worse with the stifle. How about stifle with damage or interupt

quetzaqotl · 05-25-2006, 06:03 PM

petscan wrote:

Im not sure why they changed it for myself. i just got it a few levels ago and I liked it for the fast cast and extra damage it did esp for pvp. I have used it enough in pvp not to see if it is better or worse with the stifle. How about stifle with damage or interupt

Ehhh what spell are yout alking about?

mystic5 · 05-25-2006, 06:38 PM

I think you have this confused with Killing Swarm. Killing Swarm is a DoT that also reduces defense for the spells duration. Irritating Swarm and Maddening swarm is a power drain and interrupt spell that stacks with the Swarm DoT spells. If the changes go live as they are currently, it will free up one space on my spell bar as this will be PERMANENTLY removed. This spell will be completely useless for PvE, and I see next to no use even for PvP. I hope the devs pull their collective heads out and do something about this before it hits the live servers. As it stands now this spell is all but useless. If these changes go in it will be COMPLETELY useless.

munos · 05-25-2006, 07:48 PM

iratiating swarm used to damage. Interupted on inital hit then interupted at end of spell and did somehting like 50hp a tick.

munos · 05-25-2006, 07:53 PM

petscan wrote:
iratiating swarm used to damage. Interupted on inital hit then interupted at end of spell and did somehting like 50hp a tick.

Maybe im wrong about the damage thing but I swear I thought it did but I went back and read the old spell description.

Gertack_v2 · 05-25-2006, 08:38 PM

It had a power drain, not damage.

QQ-Fatman · 05-25-2006, 09:50 PM

My suggestion is to make this line a mana tap over time. Then it'll actually be useful in all situation.

dyf · 05-25-2006, 11:45 PM

Did they drop the stifle component on purpose or is this a bug in the test update? I was seriously looking forward to the stifle.

Asp728 · 05-26-2006, 12:16 AM

To add from the newest great changes, I just saw this note:

- Fury: Ring of Fire: Reuse timer increased to 1 minute.

So now when it dies in 2 secs, you have to wait a full minute to recast it.

Goozman · 05-26-2006, 12:42 AM

Haha... here we are, needing an increase in damage to be ahead of freakin' templars again... and they nerf instead. I also found it funny they were nerfing wizards. What in the world is going on...

QQ-Fatman · 05-26-2006, 12:56 AM

dyfyd wrote:
Did they drop the stifle component on purpose or is this a bug in the test update? I was seriously looking forward to the stifle.

Irritating Swarm line:

Now on live server:
0.5sec cast, 30sec recast, 36sec duration: interrupt, drain mana over time, decrease casting skills and focus on a single target.

Lu24a:
1.5sec cast, 1 min recast, 12sec duration: stifle target

Lu24b:
1.5sec cast, 1 min recast, 9sec duration: stifle target

Lu24c:
1.5sec cast, 1 min recast, 36sec duration: interrtup, decrease casting skills and focus on target encounter.

Dreg · 05-26-2006, 01:25 AM

If I had to chose between Lu24c and what it is currently on live, I'd say leave it alone.

Rutabegah · 05-26-2006, 02:55 AM

So they are nerfing a spell that is already horrible and now they are doubling the recast time of ring of fire. Hooray for the devs!

Sunlei · 05-26-2006, 05:51 AM

I thought this lu 24 was supposed to take care of problems they had with control spells causing "stun-lock" on monsters. That means so many stuns that the poor monsters can't hurt back.

Now it looks like the spell developer is doing damage spell nurfs aswell. Why are they fiddling with spells that have nothing to do with control and cutting spells that have already been cut in hit points and damage. Ring of fire's been nurfed hard already!

Someone get that developer out of the kitchen! he's ruining all the food!

EQ2 has that 'ol eq1 feeling..if you're not highest level with best gear...you'll never have the same game experience others have enjoyed.

Gabriell · 05-26-2006, 09:50 AM

Here are some current screenshots of our modified spells on test...

I personally can't understand how a lightning bolt makes a mob immuned to Stun effects for 48 seconds. Must be SoE logic of 1+1 = -2 :smileyindifferent:

Message Edited by Gabriellex on 05-25-2006 10:52 PM

SpritRaja · 05-26-2006, 10:59 AM

The idiot that is doing the spells most likely read it as a stun to mob rather then a stun to us.

Goozman · 05-26-2006, 01:37 PM

Haha, it does look like they thought it was a 16s stun to the mob... that's pretty funny...

So the cheetah change sucks [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] too because it wont even work above level 56, and there's no upgrade for it... gj

Feodore · 05-26-2006, 03:05 PM

well if they think this is a moob-stun-spell looooll --------------->they will nerf the spell again and again (till they understand their own developing)

but the debuff isn´t wrong as long as it works on epic...

noone will see see the real effect of this spell, but a if the moobs is reduced 3-4 lvl in his attack-spell abilitys and his focu (so he can be better interruptet by others...) well i can live with it... this is a real fury spell i think (not such a bäääh-defence buff like other healers...)

Message Edited by Feodore on 05-26-2006 04:06 AM

quetzaqotl · 05-26-2006, 03:55 PM

Yeah its a real fury debuff spell alright as in its crap.

Gallenite told me in a pm that the change to irr/madd swarm didnt look right to him, so yeah it would be funny to see this changes go live.

Also the change to ring of fire the idiotic spell change to call of storms, what the hell are they thinking??!

Who in their right mind can push this broken [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to test?!

This makes the dev in control of the spell changes look like a real [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].

05-24-2006, 04:55 PM	#4
quetzaqotl Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,336	Just posting to say /agree if this change goes out with lu24 it will be obvious how clueless the devs are of their own game mechanics. In its current form this spell has no measurable effect in pve other than a very small in 99.9% of the cases worthless mana drain. Making this spell group wide doesnt help it making its recast 1 min is rediculous, theyve had this spell in their hands and have been changing it, it makes me wonder then why didnt they make it somewhat useful? I mean you have this spell youre working on that does next to nothing, you turn it into a stiffle (=useful) then you decide nah lets make it useless once again?!? Im getting sick of this stupid spell just remove it and give us another dot or dd I suppose that would be easier to code than giving furies some crowd control or actually a nice debuff. __________________

05-24-2006, 08:55 PM	#6
Ryuugekitai Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 363	I used the drain on PvE already : against priest mob that heal themselves faster than I could kill them but don't hit too hard I would tank them with the screaming mass use manastone every time it's up and maintain the mana drain on them, and it works. One of the orcs in cleft that pop in the room after the blade master, next to the round table is such a priest, before KoS I used to solo hunt the nameds here, and it would take about 15 minutes to kill it that way. The stifle would have come in handy in such a situation, reducing the fight time down to about 30 seconds which would have been really great, but no ... The drain was useful on PvP too, some class have too much DPS to allow us to do anything other than heal ourselves, and draining their mana shortened the fight a bit : once oom we could cast our LLLLLOOOONNNGGGG casting blasts. So yes the power drain was useful even if only a little, and made the spell worth something, but now ... Message Edited by Ryuugekitai on 05-24-2006 06:57 PM __________________ Dilandau Wood Elf lvl 70 Fury on Storms Hamel Half Elf lvl 57 Dirge on Storms

05-24-2006, 08:56 PM	#7
quetzaqotl Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,336	Got a pm from gallenite (btw gallenite rocks one of the only devs that respond to pm's or read them) I asked what he thought about the new irr swarm (amongst other things so this is a fraction of what he said but the rest wasnt about this issue) this is what he said: "I'm going to ask about the spell change - That sounds unusual." So I have good hope this spell will be looked into yet again, lets hope they make it useful. Also again I wouldve liked it if a fury who plays on test would keep us informed as this is all second hand info. __________________

05-25-2006, 04:31 PM	#8
colonel75thr Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 147	Does this go for the entire line? I am curious regarding maddening swarm.. It was being buffed up in LU24, is it now being nerfed? __________________

05-25-2006, 05:14 PM	#9
quetzaqotl Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,336	irritating swarm is the lowerbie version of maddening swarm so yeah if one gets changed the other one will too. __________________

05-24-2006, 09:03 AM	#1
Gertack_v2 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 256	No, really. The debuff is currently worthless and now you're making it worse. Good job, that takes effort.(As of today it is back to skill debuffs on encounter instead of single, but 1 minute recast instead of 30 seconds and no power drain, not that it did anything.) Message Edited by Gertack on 05-24-2006 01:05 AM

05-24-2006, 09:42 AM	#2
Meattray Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 108	So your saying its back to old debuff, but now encounter wide with no power drain? Need a little more info please. Please Devs do not take away a debuff that works on epics, we do not have the best debuffs. If it is to stay a stifle give us reduced effect on epic, please do not take a debuff that works on epics away from us. People say it is a crap debuff, it is not that bad. It is a very underrated debuff for caster mobs. Taylon 70 Fury, Najena Message Edited by Meattray on 05-23-2006 10:44 PM

05-24-2006, 09:55 AM	#3
Gertack_v2 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 256	I got the info from the other thread, just wanted to call more attention to it.

05-24-2006, 08:22 PM	#5
Gertack_v2 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 256	At least the power drain might've been useful for the PvP people (or duels, neither of which I care about). Nobody mentioned the casting time but if it is still 1.5 seconds, at least I can finally throw it of my hotbar as never worth the time to cast, even in the vague hope it really does something.

05-25-2006, 05:26 PM	#10
Sunlei Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 518	Furys at this time have no encounter wide debuff. Encounterwide debuff would be very welcome to me..i miss the encounter debuff we lost in lu 13 a lot. This new encounterwide debuff of casters focus/casting skills, if they could add a bit of debuff to melee skills be very cool! __________________ singapore training, always wear your flack jacket and helmet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogNNbdQnKcw training housecall! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Q2wSAKIr4

05-25-2006, 05:28 PM	#11
quetzaqotl Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,336	Irritating swarm in its current form is trash making it group wide doesnt change a thing it just turns it in group wide trash oh maybe on pvp but I dont care for that. They should make irritating swarm a 10 second stiffle every 45 secs and madd swarm a 15 second stiffle every 45 seconds. That would make this spell MUCH more useful. __________________

05-25-2006, 05:30 PM	#12
munos Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 376	Im not sure why they changed it for myself. i just got it a few levels ago and I liked it for the fast cast and extra damage it did esp for pvp. I have used it enough in pvp not to see if it is better or worse with the stifle. How about stifle with damage or interupt

05-25-2006, 06:03 PM	#13
quetzaqotl Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,336	petscan wrote: Im not sure why they changed it for myself. i just got it a few levels ago and I liked it for the fast cast and extra damage it did esp for pvp. I have used it enough in pvp not to see if it is better or worse with the stifle. How about stifle with damage or interupt Ehhh what spell are yout alking about? __________________

05-25-2006, 06:38 PM	#14
mystic5 General Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Posts: 195	I think you have this confused with Killing Swarm. Killing Swarm is a DoT that also reduces defense for the spells duration. Irritating Swarm and Maddening swarm is a power drain and interrupt spell that stacks with the Swarm DoT spells. If the changes go live as they are currently, it will free up one space on my spell bar as this will be PERMANENTLY removed. This spell will be completely useless for PvE, and I see next to no use even for PvP. I hope the devs pull their collective heads out and do something about this before it hits the live servers. As it stands now this spell is all but useless. If these changes go in it will be COMPLETELY useless. __________________

05-25-2006, 07:48 PM	#15
munos Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 376	iratiating swarm used to damage. Interupted on inital hit then interupted at end of spell and did somehting like 50hp a tick.

05-25-2006, 07:53 PM	#16
munos Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 376	petscan wrote: iratiating swarm used to damage. Interupted on inital hit then interupted at end of spell and did somehting like 50hp a tick. Maybe im wrong about the damage thing but I swear I thought it did but I went back and read the old spell description.

05-25-2006, 08:38 PM	#17
Gertack_v2 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 256	It had a power drain, not damage.

05-25-2006, 09:50 PM	#18
QQ-Fatman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 538	My suggestion is to make this line a mana tap over time. Then it'll actually be useful in all situation.

05-25-2006, 11:45 PM	#19
dyf Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 31	Did they drop the stifle component on purpose or is this a bug in the test update? I was seriously looking forward to the stifle.

05-26-2006, 12:16 AM	#20
Asp728 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 306	To add from the newest great changes, I just saw this note: - Fury: Ring of Fire: Reuse timer increased to 1 minute. So now when it dies in 2 secs, you have to wait a full minute to recast it.

05-26-2006, 12:42 AM	#21
Goozman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 693	Haha... here we are, needing an increase in damage to be ahead of freakin' templars again... and they nerf instead. I also found it funny they were nerfing wizards. What in the world is going on... __________________

05-26-2006, 12:56 AM	#22
QQ-Fatman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 538	dyfyd wrote: Did they drop the stifle component on purpose or is this a bug in the test update? I was seriously looking forward to the stifle. Irritating Swarm line: Now on live server: 0.5sec cast, 30sec recast, 36sec duration: interrupt, drain mana over time, decrease casting skills and focus on a single target. Lu24a: 1.5sec cast, 1 min recast, 12sec duration: stifle target Lu24b: 1.5sec cast, 1 min recast, 9sec duration: stifle target Lu24c: 1.5sec cast, 1 min recast, 36sec duration: interrtup, decrease casting skills and focus on target encounter.

05-26-2006, 01:25 AM	#23
Dreg General Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 26	If I had to chose between Lu24c and what it is currently on live, I'd say leave it alone.

05-26-2006, 02:55 AM	#24
Rutabegah Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 159	So they are nerfing a spell that is already horrible and now they are doubling the recast time of ring of fire. Hooray for the devs!

05-26-2006, 05:51 AM	#25
Sunlei Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 518	I thought this lu 24 was supposed to take care of problems they had with control spells causing "stun-lock" on monsters. That means so many stuns that the poor monsters can't hurt back. Now it looks like the spell developer is doing damage spell nurfs aswell. Why are they fiddling with spells that have nothing to do with control and cutting spells that have already been cut in hit points and damage. Ring of fire's been nurfed hard already! Someone get that developer out of the kitchen! he's ruining all the food! EQ2 has that 'ol eq1 feeling..if you're not highest level with best gear...you'll never have the same game experience others have enjoyed. __________________ singapore training, always wear your flack jacket and helmet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogNNbdQnKcw training housecall! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Q2wSAKIr4

05-26-2006, 09:50 AM	#26
Gabriell General Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 28	Here are some current screenshots of our modified spells on test... I personally can't understand how a lightning bolt makes a mob immuned to Stun effects for 48 seconds. Must be SoE logic of 1+1 = -2 :smileyindifferent: Message Edited by Gabriellex on 05-25-2006 10:52 PM __________________

05-26-2006, 10:59 AM	#27
SpritRaja Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: ACT, Australia Posts: 418	The idiot that is doing the spells most likely read it as a stun to mob rather then a stun to us.

05-26-2006, 01:37 PM	#28
Goozman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 693	Haha, it does look like they thought it was a 16s stun to the mob... that's pretty funny... So the cheetah change sucks [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] too because it wont even work above level 56, and there's no upgrade for it... gj __________________

05-26-2006, 03:05 PM	#29
Feodore Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 16	well if they think this is a moob-stun-spell looooll --------------->they will nerf the spell again and again (till they understand their own developing) but the debuff isn´t wrong as long as it works on epic... noone will see see the real effect of this spell, but a if the moobs is reduced 3-4 lvl in his attack-spell abilitys and his focu (so he can be better interruptet by others...) well i can live with it... this is a real fury spell i think (not such a bäääh-defence buff like other healers...) Message Edited by Feodore on 05-26-2006 04:06 AM

05-26-2006, 03:55 PM	#30
quetzaqotl Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,336	Yeah its a real fury debuff spell alright as in its crap. Gallenite told me in a pm that the change to irr/madd swarm didnt look right to him, so yeah it would be funny to see this changes go live. Also the change to ring of fire the idiotic spell change to call of storms, what the hell are they thinking??! Who in their right mind can push this broken [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to test?! This makes the dev in control of the spell changes look like a real [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. __________________