Trait choice for raid fury

Rumbler · 06-12-2005, 05:24 AM

I think I have a respec up my sleeve and as I raid a lot am reconsidering my choices. I'm happy with all except I have Sproutmore's Pullutation and might need Dannian's Element Dismissal. I think I would really miss Sproutmore's if I dropped it.

Can anyone let me know what raids use Dannian's?

Dannian's Element Dismissal

An advanced form of Elemental Amending. It shares the same re-use timer and is of Adept II quality. As a bonus to Elemental Amending it targets the entire group instead of one group member.

- Greys out Elemental Amending
- cures cold and heat ailments

- also says it increases elemental mitigations, it didn't affect resists however.

Sproutmore's Pullutation

An advanced form of Effloresce. It shares the same re-use timer and is of Adept II quality. As a bonus to Effloresce it cures lesser Arcane Mitigation.

- greys out Effloresce

- at 30, 128 power.

- at 30, heals for 488

- at 37, 168 power.

- at 37, heals for 615

- skill range of 150-200

Gaellen · 06-13-2005, 06:04 PM

Take the group cure. Enough raids need it that if you don't, you'll be unable to solo heal your particular group in the raid. *cry* I can't respec, and I need to so so badly. Off the top of my head, the MM assasin Drakota for Fire & Ice, Darathar for Deception, and at least one other prismatic releated quest need it. You also get a much better set of heals as you level up, making most training heals useless in comparison.

Fait · 06-13-2005, 07:18 PM

Take the group cure and upgrade Effloresce to ad3...will be much better for raiding.

Asp728 · 06-13-2005, 07:27 PM

If I remember correctly, the Spirit of Vox needs group elemental cure as well. Otherwise you'll die pretty quick (personal experience /cry).

Katx · 06-13-2005, 07:36 PM

Group elemental cure is one of the things that truly makes us shine on high end raids. Particularly if other priests didn't take their group cures. Curing the dots on these raids will get you a lot further than Sproutmore's. Would definitely respec to take the group elemental cure.

AN63LUS · 06-13-2005, 09:21 PM

Do we ever get a group cure arcane?

Owlbe · 06-13-2005, 09:36 PM

No. Just poison and elemental group cures.

The_Braintru · 06-23-2005, 04:40 PM

I will second the opinion that you should go for the AE spells of everything - the damage shield, poison cure and elemental cure. I also picked up the debuffing DoT for the high-level choice and have been very happy with that.

Sepp · 06-24-2005, 12:23 AM

The ae DS is dangerous at times tho, as it builds aggro for whoever is already getting hit... makes your tank's job harder if a group member pulls aggro.

orchidslyr · 06-24-2005, 04:49 AM

Group cure, all the way.

darkshm · 06-29-2005, 08:12 PM

I'd go so far as to say the only choices that really matter are that you take (echoing everyone else) both available group cures. And if you ever want prismatic weapons, you'll definitely need the group elemental cure. SMILEY

quetzaqotl · 06-29-2005, 10:01 PM

or up your fireresist to 6000-ish hehe for darathar SMILEY

Ri · 06-30-2005, 03:42 AM

Orchid has spoken xD

Shadowgr · 06-30-2005, 11:03 PM

Fait68 wrote :

Take the group cure and upgrade Effloresce to ad3...will be much better for raiding.

Ditto :smileyhappy:

M2t · 07-05-2005, 05:40 PM

Grp cures are a must, Most raid guilds, will NOT take you unless you have it. I also respeced and got grp cures...I too was sad to see sproutmores go...but in the end it was the best decsion i made.

Sotaudi · 07-12-2005, 11:14 PM

The_Braintrust wrote:
I will second the opinion that you should go for the AE spells of everything - the damage shield, poison cure and elemental cure. I also picked up the debuffing DoT for the high-level choice and have been very happy with that.

I agree with the group cures for elemental and poison/disease, but I disagree with the damage shield upgrade. The only advantage to this upgrade is that it keeps you from having to cast the shield on multiple people. However, you do not necessarily want to cast the shield on everyone. Casting it on a mage, for instance, can actually make it harder for a tank to regain aggro, because everytime the critter hits the mage, the damage shield will continue to do damage to the attacker. Likewise, the shield can cause an encounter you don't want engaged yet to lock because the shield will fire off when the person is struck, causing damage, and locking the encounter. It is much better to selectively cast the shield on the tank or anyone else you expect to be hit and retain aggro, and to not cast it on mages or others that you do not want to be hit.

In my opinion, the better choice is the Regrowth upgrade. It makes Regrowth more potent and adds mitigations.

SpritRaja · 07-13-2005, 12:47 PM

I had a respec too and taking advise here went with the elemental group cure. Was dissapointed in it as it is described as givning fire and ice mitigation and doesnt seem to do so while the solo one does add a bit of mitigation vs ice and fire.

Took the group cure for the Drakota in the miragul's menagerie Instance but it didnt work on that drakotas DOT.

[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] uncurable dots SMILEY

M2t · 07-13-2005, 06:40 PM

Thats weird that you couldnt cure in Managerie. I can, but because im spamming it along with heals i'm not exactly sure which one it is that works for me. Try it again and use the elemental and poison cure....they dont take much mana, so its worth a try.

Setli · 07-13-2005, 06:56 PM

What Tier is Effloresce ?

Bulzie · 07-13-2005, 10:25 PM

Well to beat a dead horse... Take the group cures. As for the Regrowth upgrade or group dmg shield, definately do regrowth. The dmg shield should not be cast on everyone for reasons already given. I only cast dmg shield on main tank or 2nd tank if they are equal and it doesnt matter which one tanks.

Jillybean · 07-14-2005, 01:00 AM

So as a 36 Fury, I'm sort of at a loss. What levels would/should I have gotten the choice for those group heals at? I don't recall, and after reading over it I'd like to flip to them if we get a respec in the future.

M2t · 07-14-2005, 06:46 PM

You should wait till 40 and use your respec if you have one. Or you could do it now, but no one knows when the next respec will be offered. I made the mistake of skimming through options when i was lower lvl, didnt know it would effect later on. Luckily I respeced and got all the things I needed. Should read through all choices given, then pick whats best for you at high lvl. I could tell you exactly what to pick, but I forget all of them because there's so many.

xOnaton1 · 07-21-2005, 03:08 AM

Here are the lists of training choices: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=chars&message.id=5 http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=chars&message.id=384

06-12-2005, 05:24 AM	#1
Rumbler Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 135	I think I have a respec up my sleeve and as I raid a lot am reconsidering my choices. I'm happy with all except I have Sproutmore's Pullutation and might need Dannian's Element Dismissal. I think I would really miss Sproutmore's if I dropped it. Can anyone let me know what raids use Dannian's? Dannian's Element Dismissal An advanced form of Elemental Amending. It shares the same re-use timer and is of Adept II quality. As a bonus to Elemental Amending it targets the entire group instead of one group member. - Greys out Elemental Amending - cures cold and heat ailments - also says it increases elemental mitigations, it didn't affect resists however. Sproutmore's Pullutation An advanced form of Effloresce. It shares the same re-use timer and is of Adept II quality. As a bonus to Effloresce it cures lesser Arcane Mitigation. - greys out Effloresce - at 30, 128 power. - at 30, heals for 488 - at 37, 168 power. - at 37, heals for 615 - skill range of 150-200 __________________

06-13-2005, 06:04 PM	#2
Gaellen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 354	Take the group cure. Enough raids need it that if you don't, you'll be unable to solo heal your particular group in the raid. cry I can't respec, and I need to so so badly. Off the top of my head, the MM assasin Drakota for Fire & Ice, Darathar for Deception, and at least one other prismatic releated quest need it. You also get a much better set of heals as you level up, making most training heals useless in comparison. __________________

06-13-2005, 07:18 PM	#3
Fait Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 33	Take the group cure and upgrade Effloresce to ad3...will be much better for raiding. __________________

06-13-2005, 07:36 PM	#5
Katx General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 201	Group elemental cure is one of the things that truly makes us shine on high end raids. Particularly if other priests didn't take their group cures. Curing the dots on these raids will get you a lot further than Sproutmore's. Would definitely respec to take the group elemental cure. __________________ Ximeni - 70 Fury Eithne - 70 Swashbuckler Troops of Doom - Master Officer Guk

06-13-2005, 09:21 PM	#6
AN63LUS Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 57	Do we ever get a group cure arcane? __________________ ~Avi Inatta~level 80 Mystic

06-13-2005, 07:27 PM	#4
Asp728 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 306	If I remember correctly, the Spirit of Vox needs group elemental cure as well. Otherwise you'll die pretty quick (personal experience /cry).

06-13-2005, 09:36 PM	#7
Owlbe General Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Great White North Posts: 350	No. Just poison and elemental group cures. __________________ Arkoril Raventhorn- Iksar Fury Gunnulf Ravenrune- Barbarian Mystic Asheda Soulscar- Kerra Bruiser

06-23-2005, 04:40 PM	#8
The_Braintru Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10	I will second the opinion that you should go for the AE spells of everything - the damage shield, poison cure and elemental cure. I also picked up the debuffing DoT for the high-level choice and have been very happy with that.

06-24-2005, 12:23 AM	#9
Sepp Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 53	The ae DS is dangerous at times tho, as it builds aggro for whoever is already getting hit... makes your tank's job harder if a group member pulls aggro. __________________ Seppin Stormshaper Oshak Planeswalker

06-24-2005, 04:49 AM	#10
orchidslyr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 52	Group cure, all the way.

06-29-2005, 08:12 PM	#11
darkshm Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 349	I'd go so far as to say the only choices that really matter are that you take (echoing everyone else) both available group cures. And if you ever want prismatic weapons, you'll definitely need the group elemental cure. __________________ Senescent - 56 Erudite Fury (Exile officer) -Befallen Betwixt - 34 Dark Elf Defiler -Befallen

06-29-2005, 10:01 PM	#12
quetzaqotl Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,336	or up your fireresist to 6000-ish hehe for darathar __________________

06-30-2005, 03:42 AM	#13
Ri Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3	Orchid has spoken xD

06-30-2005, 11:03 PM	#14
Shadowgr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 122	Fait68 wrote : Take the group cure and upgrade Effloresce to ad3...will be much better for raiding. Ditto :smileyhappy:

07-05-2005, 05:40 PM	#15
M2t Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 51	Grp cures are a must, Most raid guilds, will NOT take you unless you have it. I also respeced and got grp cures...I too was sad to see sproutmores go...but in the end it was the best decsion i made. __________________ Auxilaryx ( 63 Brigand ) Auxilary ( 58 Fury ) Menace \| Oasis

07-12-2005, 11:14 PM	#16
Sotaudi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 271	The_Braintrust wrote: I will second the opinion that you should go for the AE spells of everything - the damage shield, poison cure and elemental cure. I also picked up the debuffing DoT for the high-level choice and have been very happy with that. I agree with the group cures for elemental and poison/disease, but I disagree with the damage shield upgrade. The only advantage to this upgrade is that it keeps you from having to cast the shield on multiple people. However, you do not necessarily want to cast the shield on everyone. Casting it on a mage, for instance, can actually make it harder for a tank to regain aggro, because everytime the critter hits the mage, the damage shield will continue to do damage to the attacker. Likewise, the shield can cause an encounter you don't want engaged yet to lock because the shield will fire off when the person is struck, causing damage, and locking the encounter. It is much better to selectively cast the shield on the tank or anyone else you expect to be hit and retain aggro, and to not cast it on mages or others that you do not want to be hit. In my opinion, the better choice is the Regrowth upgrade. It makes Regrowth more potent and adds mitigations. __________________ Sotaudi - Wood Elf - Ranger Quaroon - Erudite - Illusionist Siegur - Kerra - Monk Breven - Froglok - Fury Voxin - Ratonga - Assassin

07-13-2005, 12:47 PM	#17
SpritRaja Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: ACT, Australia Posts: 418	I had a respec too and taking advise here went with the elemental group cure. Was dissapointed in it as it is described as givning fire and ice mitigation and doesnt seem to do so while the solo one does add a bit of mitigation vs ice and fire. Took the group cure for the Drakota in the miragul's menagerie Instance but it didnt work on that drakotas DOT. [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] uncurable dots

07-13-2005, 06:40 PM	#18
M2t Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 51	Thats weird that you couldnt cure in Managerie. I can, but because im spamming it along with heals i'm not exactly sure which one it is that works for me. Try it again and use the elemental and poison cure....they dont take much mana, so its worth a try. __________________ Auxilaryx ( 63 Brigand ) Auxilary ( 58 Fury ) Menace \| Oasis

07-13-2005, 06:56 PM	#19
Setli General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 83	What Tier is Effloresce ?

07-13-2005, 10:25 PM	#20
Bulzie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 255	Well to beat a dead horse... Take the group cures. As for the Regrowth upgrade or group dmg shield, definately do regrowth. The dmg shield should not be cast on everyone for reasons already given. I only cast dmg shield on main tank or 2nd tank if they are equal and it doesnt matter which one tanks.

07-14-2005, 01:00 AM	#21
Jillybean Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 12	So as a 36 Fury, I'm sort of at a loss. What levels would/should I have gotten the choice for those group heals at? I don't recall, and after reading over it I'd like to flip to them if we get a respec in the future.

07-14-2005, 06:46 PM	#22
M2t Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 51	You should wait till 40 and use your respec if you have one. Or you could do it now, but no one knows when the next respec will be offered. I made the mistake of skimming through options when i was lower lvl, didnt know it would effect later on. Luckily I respeced and got all the things I needed. Should read through all choices given, then pick whats best for you at high lvl. I could tell you exactly what to pick, but I forget all of them because there's so many. __________________ Auxilaryx ( 63 Brigand ) Auxilary ( 58 Fury ) Menace \| Oasis

07-21-2005, 03:08 AM	#23
xOnaton1 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 829	Here are the lists of training choices: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=chars&message.id=5 http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=chars&message.id=384