Control Undeath Scaling

Eirgo · 10-12-2005, 05:48 PM

Just a quick question about the T6 spell Control Undeath. Can anyone verify it scales with the quality level of the spell?

Here is a thread in another forum concerning the lack of scaling of some of these legendary type spells where spell quality doesnt matter (ad1, ad3, m1 all the same) for spells like Call of the Hero.

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=general_tradeskill&message.id=71940#M71940

Just wanted to make sure it scales before using a rare on it.

Tinantier · 10-12-2005, 06:45 PM

not entirely sure how it would scale, unless the better the spell quality, the less chance it had of breaking. Doesn't seem that effective in all honesty. Spectre in Oasis lasted from 5-10 mins before breaking at most. Consul in Silent City lasted about 30 seconds.

Eirgo · 10-12-2005, 06:51 PM

Yeah I was wondering if the higher quality spell would have a resist mod of some sort, but not sure. If not that then I cant think of anything that could be upgraded since cast time/duration/power cost should all be static.

Hmm maybe I should just trade my Vanadium for a pearl and get an imbued INT ring made....

Im about 5% from 54 and cant think of anything other than Control Undeath I would consider upgrading this soon. I am averaging about a rare/level with just harvesting while I solo, so Im really not inclined to use the rare on a 56+ spell that I wont be able to scribe for weeks. I already have my tank pet, dogs and drawing souls ad3 and I plan on taking the offensive buff at 54 for my M2. I dont have the spell list in front of me but Im drawing blanks on great upgrades till higher levels (scout pet, consumption, AE)

KBern · 10-12-2005, 07:24 PM

A post made the other day by a dev says these spells are all the same.

The adept 1 versions are the same as adept 3 and it is not changing.

The reason they gave was that they wanted players the opportunity to have a dropped version but if you cannot find one, you can use a rare and have it made.

I really wish the wonderfully thoughtful devs at SOE could have told us this from Day 1 so people were not wasting rares.

I already wasted a rare on drawing and control, and luckily found consumption ad1 for 17gp.

I will be able to scribe control in 5% more exp so will be hunting down the ad1 hopefully tonight so I can resell the ad3 and get some coin back for the wasted rares.

Especially since we cant even use 1/3 of the Drawing spells.

Eirgo · 10-12-2005, 07:44 PM

I believe the post you are referring to is the one I linked. What I got from it is that SOME of the new 52, 55, 58 spells dont scale - but most still do.

KBern · 10-12-2005, 07:47 PM

Everything in there seems to indicate it is universal for all the ancient scrolls.

Not sure though, but they dont differentiate anywhere in there that I can see between ones that scale and ones that dont.

The red name even said the adept 3 and adept 1 titles are being removed so people are not confuses.

Eirgo · 10-12-2005, 07:53 PM

Yeah Beghn's "clarification" post only seemed to confuse things more.

I do have Drawing Souls ad3 so I can compare that to an ad1 if I can find it on the broker. I also have Consumption banked at ad1 and will try to compare it if there is an ad3 on the broker (not likely).

But, even if there is a difference it might be changed soon so there is no difference........cant really tell from Beghn's posts.

El Chupacabr · 10-12-2005, 07:56 PM

It's quite tough to figure out just what he was saying... the gist I got was only the spells with no difference when upgraded would be effected but Ben never actually says it's only the things like CotH that won't have scaling upgrades.

Always a mystery are development responses.

Eirgo · 10-12-2005, 08:02 PM

When 500 years old you reach, look as good you will not.

Well I think till I see a definative (relatively) dev response I think I will hold off ad3'ing Control Undeath and will probably swap my Vanadium for a pearl and make an imbued INT ring.

Plenty of time to harvest next level if I end up still wanting it hehe.

Sonic X · 10-13-2005, 02:06 AM

It would be kind of [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] for this one not to scale, considering the coercer charm spell can be upgraded. I think some of the very specific spells will be like this. They already said call of the hero is one of them. But we know Consumption(Master 1) exists.

Lodor · 10-13-2005, 03:13 AM

Drawing of souls and consumption both scale with spell quality. get adept 3 made if you cant find a master 1.

Tinantier · 10-13-2005, 11:24 AM

ok - according to the spell description, the higher the spell quality for charm undead, the less chance of it breaking at each point the mob can attempt to resist the spell. so I would say if you intent on doing a lot of charming, its probably worth the adept 3, if not then you can happily wait for the adept 1. imho, from what I have played with, it may/may not be worth the adept 3 as I couldn't see it being reliably used for much more than some additional crowd control most of the time. It isnt reliable enough to create an extra pet in zones you are likely to be xping in. As an additional annoyance, its also one of those irritating spells that toggle - so you can't just recast it every now and again, casting while it is on switches it off (gawd i hate those spells, I really do)

Message Edited by Tinantier on 10-13-2005 12:26 AM

10-12-2005, 05:48 PM	#1
Eirgo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 587	Just a quick question about the T6 spell Control Undeath. Can anyone verify it scales with the quality level of the spell? Here is a thread in another forum concerning the lack of scaling of some of these legendary type spells where spell quality doesnt matter (ad1, ad3, m1 all the same) for spells like Call of the Hero. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=general_tradeskill&message.id=71940#M71940 Just wanted to make sure it scales before using a rare on it. __________________ CLASS BUFF/DEBUFF CHARTS

10-12-2005, 06:45 PM	#2
Tinantier Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 89	not entirely sure how it would scale, unless the better the spell quality, the less chance it had of breaking. Doesn't seem that effective in all honesty. Spectre in Oasis lasted from 5-10 mins before breaking at most. Consul in Silent City lasted about 30 seconds. __________________

10-12-2005, 06:51 PM	#3
Eirgo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 587	Yeah I was wondering if the higher quality spell would have a resist mod of some sort, but not sure. If not that then I cant think of anything that could be upgraded since cast time/duration/power cost should all be static. Hmm maybe I should just trade my Vanadium for a pearl and get an imbued INT ring made.... Im about 5% from 54 and cant think of anything other than Control Undeath I would consider upgrading this soon. I am averaging about a rare/level with just harvesting while I solo, so Im really not inclined to use the rare on a 56+ spell that I wont be able to scribe for weeks. I already have my tank pet, dogs and drawing souls ad3 and I plan on taking the offensive buff at 54 for my M2. I dont have the spell list in front of me but Im drawing blanks on great upgrades till higher levels (scout pet, consumption, AE) __________________ CLASS BUFF/DEBUFF CHARTS

10-12-2005, 07:24 PM	#4
KBern Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,372	A post made the other day by a dev says these spells are all the same. The adept 1 versions are the same as adept 3 and it is not changing. The reason they gave was that they wanted players the opportunity to have a dropped version but if you cannot find one, you can use a rare and have it made. I really wish the wonderfully thoughtful devs at SOE could have told us this from Day 1 so people were not wasting rares. I already wasted a rare on drawing and control, and luckily found consumption ad1 for 17gp. I will be able to scribe control in 5% more exp so will be hunting down the ad1 hopefully tonight so I can resell the ad3 and get some coin back for the wasted rares. Especially since we cant even use 1/3 of the Drawing spells. __________________

10-12-2005, 07:44 PM	#5
Eirgo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 587	I believe the post you are referring to is the one I linked. What I got from it is that SOME of the new 52, 55, 58 spells dont scale - but most still do. __________________ CLASS BUFF/DEBUFF CHARTS

10-12-2005, 07:47 PM	#6
KBern Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,372	Everything in there seems to indicate it is universal for all the ancient scrolls. Not sure though, but they dont differentiate anywhere in there that I can see between ones that scale and ones that dont. The red name even said the adept 3 and adept 1 titles are being removed so people are not confuses. __________________

10-12-2005, 07:53 PM	#7
Eirgo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 587	Yeah Beghn's "clarification" post only seemed to confuse things more. I do have Drawing Souls ad3 so I can compare that to an ad1 if I can find it on the broker. I also have Consumption banked at ad1 and will try to compare it if there is an ad3 on the broker (not likely). But, even if there is a difference it might be changed soon so there is no difference........cant really tell from Beghn's posts. __________________ CLASS BUFF/DEBUFF CHARTS

10-12-2005, 07:56 PM	#8
El Chupacabr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 850	It's quite tough to figure out just what he was saying... the gist I got was only the spells with no difference when upgraded would be effected but Ben never actually says it's only the things like CotH that won't have scaling upgrades. Always a mystery are development responses. __________________ Want to learn about Necromancers? Check out The Necromancer FAQ

10-12-2005, 08:02 PM	#9
Eirgo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 587	When 500 years old you reach, look as good you will not. Well I think till I see a definative (relatively) dev response I think I will hold off ad3'ing Control Undeath and will probably swap my Vanadium for a pearl and make an imbued INT ring. Plenty of time to harvest next level if I end up still wanting it hehe. __________________ CLASS BUFF/DEBUFF CHARTS

10-13-2005, 02:06 AM	#10
Sonic X Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 123	It would be kind of [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] for this one not to scale, considering the coercer charm spell can be upgraded. I think some of the very specific spells will be like this. They already said call of the hero is one of them. But we know Consumption(Master 1) exists. __________________ Tenlo Dragonbolt, Wizard of Nagafen. LFG for resist fixes and an active guild! Grimwire Necronomicron, 70 Necromancer, of Mistmoore. LFG for raid guild!

10-13-2005, 03:13 AM	#11
Lodor Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 237	Drawing of souls and consumption both scale with spell quality. get adept 3 made if you cant find a master 1.

10-13-2005, 11:24 AM	#12
Tinantier Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 89	ok - according to the spell description, the higher the spell quality for charm undead, the less chance of it breaking at each point the mob can attempt to resist the spell. so I would say if you intent on doing a lot of charming, its probably worth the adept 3, if not then you can happily wait for the adept 1. imho, from what I have played with, it may/may not be worth the adept 3 as I couldn't see it being reliably used for much more than some additional crowd control most of the time. It isnt reliable enough to create an extra pet in zones you are likely to be xping in. As an additional annoyance, its also one of those irritating spells that toggle - so you can't just recast it every now and again, casting while it is on switches it off (gawd i hate those spells, I really do) Message Edited by Tinantier on 10-13-2005 12:26 AM __________________