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Greggthegrmreapr · 08-23-2005, 05:54 PM

Feign Death changes:
- Maintained spells and pets are no longer cancelled on a successful feign.

Eirgo · 08-23-2005, 06:00 PM

I think they made this change since our FD will no longer be 100% successful.

If not, you would be (even more of a) sitting duck after you cancel and wait for the recast to try again.

Message Edited by Eirgorn on 08-23-2005 07:00 AM

Urbanna · 08-23-2005, 06:43 PM

Eirgorn wrote:

I think they made this change since our FD will no longer be 100% successful.

If not, you would be (even more of a) sitting duck after you cancel and wait for the recast to try again.
Message Edited by Eirgorn on 08-23-2005 07:00 AM

I died the first time I tested this out...mob saw right through it and munched me...still 15min recast. Seems that if this isn't going to work 100% of the time, the recast could be more manageable like 5 mins (too long for using constantly during grinding, but a little better wait for those 'must have' times)

Eirgo · 08-23-2005, 07:07 PM

Ouch.

I wonder if they could differentiate the recast for failed or successful? I can just see it now -

My guild fighting some ^^^ and things go bad -

GL - ok necros fd so we can recover and try again!!

Me - Doh failed FD

Necros 2,3,4 and 5 - Me too....looks like its going to be a long walk

Raid member x - guess I'll get my shard tomorrow it's late

Me - :smileysad:

quamdar · 08-23-2005, 07:27 PM

honestly i didn't think that the 100% FD was really unbalancing i think it whould remain instead of being nearly useless probably now because with a 15 minute cast it was bad enough now you can wait 15 minutes use it and have it fail. the recast needs to be changed if we getting it toned back.

prince_sd · 08-24-2005, 02:26 AM

quamdar wrote:
honestly i didn't think that the 100% FD was really unbalancing i think it whould remain instead of being nearly useless probably now because with a 15 minute cast it was bad enough now you can wait 15 minutes use it and have it fail. the recast needs to be changed if we getting it toned back.

Is there a 100% FD right now ? I have had it fail on me a few times especially if the raid mob has started attacking me.

However, it never failed if I cast it while the mob was beating on some other group/ raid member.

If they changed it so it can fail even then we are in BIG trouble.

You FD. Instead "you fall to the ground". Recast timer is 15mins. Wow thats a royal screw.

tonemand · 08-24-2005, 02:37 AM

It gets "broken" just like it did in EQ1 when you get AE damage, and that has happened to me on raids more than once. If you get aggro and are being melee'd to death, an uninterrupted casts works 100% of the time and the mob loses interest.

The issue with FD in my situation is the fact that the only time I ever really need it is avoiding death in raids, but if the raid wipes and I am the lone survivor (or the other necro in the guild), I never lose aggro, as most of the stuff has the zone-wide radar in use and they come flying back to finish me off.

The standing procedure is for everyone to die and just revive at the zone in and move back to our spot and start over. Sadly for myself and the other necro, it pretty much makes FD and Revivication useless in our capacity. I've never brought back a raid force that way yet...

Tinantier · 08-24-2005, 09:47 AM

i would agree, if its going to have the chance to fail then we ought to get a much faster reuse time (15 mins is well over the top) it is nice that it wont dispel buffs and pets now though - that was just annoying and unescessary.

quamdar · 08-24-2005, 08:40 PM

"Is there a 100% FD right now ? I have had it fail on me a few times especially if the raid mob has started attacking me.

However, it never failed if I cast it while the mob was beating on some other group/ raid member." i don't know why it failed on you i have literally never had it fail on me. i have gotten fizzles and i have been taken out by AEs while laying on the ground if others were still up and mob was still killing but i haven't ever had a successful cast (no fizzles etc.) that didn't stop the mob from targeting and attacking just me only, AEs are all that have ever hit me. i dunno though just i have never experienced under a 100% FD in that everytime i drop the mob leaves me alone until i stand up.

08-23-2005, 05:54 PM	#1
Greggthegrmreapr Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 971	Feign Death changes: - Maintained spells and pets are no longer cancelled on a successful feign. __________________ Shut up blubie! BG's are not and will never be PVP!

08-23-2005, 06:00 PM	#2
Eirgo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 587	I think they made this change since our FD will no longer be 100% successful. If not, you would be (even more of a) sitting duck after you cancel and wait for the recast to try again. Message Edited by Eirgorn on 08-23-2005 07:00 AM __________________ CLASS BUFF/DEBUFF CHARTS

08-23-2005, 06:43 PM	#3
Urbanna General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 326	Eirgorn wrote: I think they made this change since our FD will no longer be 100% successful. If not, you would be (even more of a) sitting duck after you cancel and wait for the recast to try again. Message Edited by Eirgorn on 08-23-2005 07:00 AM I died the first time I tested this out...mob saw right through it and munched me...still 15min recast. Seems that if this isn't going to work 100% of the time, the recast could be more manageable like 5 mins (too long for using constantly during grinding, but a little better wait for those 'must have' times) __________________

08-23-2005, 07:07 PM	#4
Eirgo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 587	Ouch. I wonder if they could differentiate the recast for failed or successful? I can just see it now - My guild fighting some ^^^ and things go bad - GL - ok necros fd so we can recover and try again!! Me - Doh failed FD Necros 2,3,4 and 5 - Me too....looks like its going to be a long walk Raid member x - guess I'll get my shard tomorrow it's late Me - :smileysad: __________________ CLASS BUFF/DEBUFF CHARTS

08-23-2005, 07:27 PM	#5
quamdar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 610	honestly i didn't think that the 100% FD was really unbalancing i think it whould remain instead of being nearly useless probably now because with a 15 minute cast it was bad enough now you can wait 15 minutes use it and have it fail. the recast needs to be changed if we getting it toned back. __________________ quamdar crushbone server

08-24-2005, 02:26 AM	#6
prince_sd Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 182	quamdar wrote: honestly i didn't think that the 100% FD was really unbalancing i think it whould remain instead of being nearly useless probably now because with a 15 minute cast it was bad enough now you can wait 15 minutes use it and have it fail. the recast needs to be changed if we getting it toned back. Is there a 100% FD right now ? I have had it fail on me a few times especially if the raid mob has started attacking me. However, it never failed if I cast it while the mob was beating on some other group/ raid member. If they changed it so it can fail even then we are in BIG trouble. You FD. Instead "you fall to the ground". Recast timer is 15mins. Wow thats a royal screw.

08-24-2005, 02:37 AM	#7
tonemand Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 28	It gets "broken" just like it did in EQ1 when you get AE damage, and that has happened to me on raids more than once. If you get aggro and are being melee'd to death, an uninterrupted casts works 100% of the time and the mob loses interest. The issue with FD in my situation is the fact that the only time I ever really need it is avoiding death in raids, but if the raid wipes and I am the lone survivor (or the other necro in the guild), I never lose aggro, as most of the stuff has the zone-wide radar in use and they come flying back to finish me off. The standing procedure is for everyone to die and just revive at the zone in and move back to our spot and start over. Sadly for myself and the other necro, it pretty much makes FD and Revivication useless in our capacity. I've never brought back a raid force that way yet...

08-24-2005, 09:47 AM	#8
Tinantier Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 89	i would agree, if its going to have the chance to fail then we ought to get a much faster reuse time (15 mins is well over the top) it is nice that it wont dispel buffs and pets now though - that was just annoying and unescessary. __________________

08-24-2005, 08:40 PM	#9
quamdar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 610	"Is there a 100% FD right now ? I have had it fail on me a few times especially if the raid mob has started attacking me. However, it never failed if I cast it while the mob was beating on some other group/ raid member." i don't know why it failed on you i have literally never had it fail on me. i have gotten fizzles and i have been taken out by AEs while laying on the ground if others were still up and mob was still killing but i haven't ever had a successful cast (no fizzles etc.) that didn't stop the mob from targeting and attacking just me only, AEs are all that have ever hit me. i dunno though just i have never experienced under a 100% FD in that everytime i drop the mob leaves me alone until i stand up. __________________ quamdar crushbone server