New to EQ2 Best Coercer Race?

Crucio6 · 01-08-2007, 11:34 PM

Afternoon All,

First I'd like to say thanks to this community for putting together a wonderful collection of sticky posts that contain a wealth of information about the class and the game in general. Secondly and more importantly to me :smileyvery-happy: I was curious if there was any opinion on the best race for this particular class?

I know that as a Coercer I'm limited to Neutral/Evil races and more so from the various posts that in the end game race means very little but before I truly start heavy grinding and my min/maxer mentality kicks in I would like to see the opinions of some veteran Coercers.

Also if there are any general tips or tricks you feel like tossing out there feel free. I liked the one about Mez -> Befriend and also keeping linked targets rooted down. At any rate thanks for the help.

Ibunubi · 01-09-2007, 02:00 AM

Even though Gnomes are clearly a superior race, some people will say Erudites are best for coercers. They have a racial vision spell, Auravision, that allows you to determine (by the mobs glow, alone) if they are a mage, priest, fighter, scout. This helps in knowing which mobs to charm, etc. But knowing what mobs to charm comes with the territory, you don't necessarily need Auravision.

Just pick one you like. :smileyhappy:

Andu · 01-09-2007, 02:37 AM

Iksar. Every other race pales into insignificance.

Roriondesexiest · 01-09-2007, 07:11 AM

Trolls Kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].

.....

Actually it doesn't really matter, once you get a few levels under your belt the stats will all even out.

Bombodale · 01-09-2007, 10:03 AM

If you play coercer because you like charming, then an Erudite's Auravision is definitely an advantage, even in the end-game. It makes it much easier to find priests and mages to charm. Priests are highlighted in green and mages in blue when you get close to them. I also suggest turning on Erudite alternate SOGA models. They look much better IMHO than the default ones.

Korpo · 01-09-2007, 10:43 AM

Ratonga, obviously.

Crucio6 · 01-09-2007, 11:20 AM

Thanks for all the responses I really appriciate it.

In the end I went with....A Dark Elf. Well actualyl I started as a giant lizard but as I was one in SWG I felt like I needed a bit of a change.

On the point of the Erudite'sAuravision yes I knew about it at the time but to be honest it seems that it would make the class less involving then the other race choices would. I can fully understand how important it could be later on but I figure with some practice and foreknowledge I'll be able to pinpoint my targets just fine.

After all I wouldn't want an excuse to not read up on something.

RightInTwo · 01-09-2007, 10:50 PM

Crucio630 wrote:

On the point of the Erudite'sAuravision yes I knew about it at the time but to be honest it seems that it would make the class less involving then the other race choices would. I can fully understand how important it could be later on but I figure with some practice and foreknowledge I'll be able to pinpoint my targets just fine.

Aura Vision is great in pvp!!! >=)

Alienor · 01-10-2007, 12:41 AM

being also dark elve coercer I wish I would have known this auravision before. Erudites have also the highest int. At least the look of the dark elves is much better imho

Melodar · 01-10-2007, 11:24 AM

Just as an aside you can do as I did and make an erudite for vision and then use the ratogna buff to play as a rat. You also have the option to be a Troll through the illusions. Granted you already made your choice but maybe others wondered.

JimmyMa · 01-10-2007, 10:24 PM

korpo53 wrote:Ratonga, obviously.

Chog · 01-11-2007, 10:43 AM

Go with an Ogre. Everything else is just lower on the food chain.

schmee · 01-11-2007, 04:04 PM

eeerrrr rawr! ogres ftw =)

TheSpin · 02-04-2007, 04:51 PM

If it hasn't become apparent already....race really doens't matter that much in EQ2. Starting stats don't really matter by the time you get to the end game. Every stat is useful in some way to coercer (you definately don't want to focus on str, but starting out with enough str to carry 6 bags and not get encumbered is nice).

There are a few racial traits that can give advantages.....I use this site http://home.comcast.net/~eq2gamedata/main.html to compare those.

The auravision is probably the biggest advantage given by your racial selection for a coercer. It really only matters to a coercer though.

Philiac · 02-04-2007, 08:11 PM

As has been said a few times in this thread, the only race that has any advantage over any other race for the coercer class is Erudite. Auravision is a big advantage when you are charming, particularly if you are unfamiliar with the area. I don't know how many classes/races can say they have their racial ability on their hotbar and use it often, but I do: right next to charm.

DwarvesR · 02-05-2007, 02:40 PM

I'm rather fond of my high elf. But then, she just looks so sweet that no one actually imagines the depths of her eeeeeeeevil. . . . . . .

Aranieq · 02-05-2007, 07:30 PM

Dark elves get a 250 point rune/ward and a reactive damage proc (short duration all- under 3 mins).

Fae gets an extra "blink" type spell ... it's reverse blink actually it blinks the mobs but same agro redux AoE effect, also fae speed for pulling...

both have high int (dark elf is 20/25 think to start | fae 25/30 forget exactly) Believe Erudites and Gnomes have highest starter int off top of my head.

Those are the only racial traits I have on hotbars that actually get dusted off occationally for my 2 main races.

TheSpin · 02-05-2007, 08:18 PM

Aranieq wrote:

Dark elves get a 250 point rune/ward and a reactive damage proc (short duration all- under 3 mins).

Fae gets an extra "blink" type spell ... it's reverse blink actually it blinks the mobs but same agro redux AoE effect, also fae speed for pulling...

both have high int (dark elf is 20/25 think to start | fae 25/30 forget exactly) Believe Erudites and Gnomes have highest starter int off top of my head.

Those are the only racial traits I have on hotbars that actually get dusted off occationally for my 2 main races.

Fae and froglocks both get the 'blink' type deaggro, though lots of classes get deagro without the blink effect. The runes and wards etc are on 30 minute cooldowns, same as blink. It's hardly worth picking a class for something that lasts 3 ticks once every 30 minutes. I really look at the passive abilities when I try to name a 'best' race. Fae have some good ones but they can't betray. Auravision is also good, I'm going to try to find out if tinkerers can make goggles to give this.

Erudites have 30 int to start, gnomes 27, and quite a few other classes are over 20, Darkelves etc. The stats aren't major though because you can have a bigger effect on your stats by changing one piece of gear at level 70 than you can based on the race you choose. I hear once you hit about 700 int you should start investing in agi and stamina too (not to mention resists).

Aranieq · 02-06-2007, 12:01 AM

Personally i picked dark elf because they look hot, and they are very evil =) (EQ1-EQ2) and fae will eventually be able to betray but if you were like me made your fae expecting to betray when it went live got t7 and masters now don't want to loose them hehe might want to hold off on that =p, unless you level slower.

as for passive dark elves get a power pool % one but think couple races get that, and extra passive int and agi. I used to have agi as my secondary trait since i like to play tank so much (in defense mode / MT mode- my coercers avoidance and defense was matched with the monk by the AGI line AA' abilities) and fae and DEF both good agi... it's not a big thing just a note.

But for the int "cap" or diminishing returns... I have 920-1161ish int on raids(depending if Deathmarch and godking proc) when not in fury group its as low as 760 or so during comabt... with and without that fury int (Vim and group buff) my dps changes up to 300 points.

with drink and int potion (12 int and 51 int ... i think) it goes up 100ish dps.

I don't think the 5 point difference between say a fae and erudite would make or break but I wouldn't train anything n besides int (as a DPS coercer) when in MT coercer role I had STA for hp, cuz well can't be AS reckless should try and live and all =) (hp to live through nasty ae's ect..) Usually MT coercer drops things tend to go haywire... specially if the raid is pushing hard to match dps to agro...

Roriondesexiest · 02-06-2007, 08:07 PM

umm trolls can summon lvl 1 food.... How cool is that.

01-09-2007, 02:00 AM	#2
Ibunubi Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 346	Even though Gnomes are clearly a superior race, some people will say Erudites are best for coercers. They have a racial vision spell, Auravision, that allows you to determine (by the mobs glow, alone) if they are a mage, priest, fighter, scout. This helps in knowing which mobs to charm, etc. But knowing what mobs to charm comes with the territory, you don't necessarily need Auravision. Just pick one you like. :smileyhappy: __________________

01-09-2007, 02:37 AM	#3
Andu General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 578	Iksar. Every other race pales into insignificance. __________________

01-09-2007, 07:11 AM	#4
Roriondesexiest Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 581	Trolls Kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. ..... Actually it doesn't really matter, once you get a few levels under your belt the stats will all even out. __________________

01-09-2007, 10:03 AM	#5
Bombodale Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 57	If you play coercer because you like charming, then an Erudite's Auravision is definitely an advantage, even in the end-game. It makes it much easier to find priests and mages to charm. Priests are highlighted in green and mages in blue when you get close to them. I also suggest turning on Erudite alternate SOGA models. They look much better IMHO than the default ones. __________________ --- Jini 74 Coercer, Lashimar 74 Wiz: Everfrost Toothpik 18 Brig: Nagafen

01-09-2007, 10:43 AM	#6
Korpo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,141	Ratonga, obviously. __________________

01-08-2007, 11:34 PM	#1
Crucio6 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2	Afternoon All, First I'd like to say thanks to this community for putting together a wonderful collection of sticky posts that contain a wealth of information about the class and the game in general. Secondly and more importantly to me :smileyvery-happy: I was curious if there was any opinion on the best race for this particular class? I know that as a Coercer I'm limited to Neutral/Evil races and more so from the various posts that in the end game race means very little but before I truly start heavy grinding and my min/maxer mentality kicks in I would like to see the opinions of some veteran Coercers. Also if there are any general tips or tricks you feel like tossing out there feel free. I liked the one about Mez -> Befriend and also keeping linked targets rooted down. At any rate thanks for the help.

01-09-2007, 11:20 AM	#7
Crucio6 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2	Thanks for all the responses I really appriciate it. In the end I went with....A Dark Elf. Well actualyl I started as a giant lizard but as I was one in SWG I felt like I needed a bit of a change. On the point of the Erudite'sAuravision yes I knew about it at the time but to be honest it seems that it would make the class less involving then the other race choices would. I can fully understand how important it could be later on but I figure with some practice and foreknowledge I'll be able to pinpoint my targets just fine. After all I wouldn't want an excuse to not read up on something.

01-09-2007, 10:50 PM	#8
RightInTwo Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 49	Crucio630 wrote: On the point of the Erudite'sAuravision yes I knew about it at the time but to be honest it seems that it would make the class less involving then the other race choices would. I can fully understand how important it could be later on but I figure with some practice and foreknowledge I'll be able to pinpoint my targets just fine. Aura Vision is great in pvp!!! >=)

01-10-2007, 12:41 AM	#9
Alienor Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,393	being also dark elve coercer I wish I would have known this auravision before. Erudites have also the highest int. At least the look of the dark elves is much better imho

01-10-2007, 11:24 AM	#10
Melodar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 209	Just as an aside you can do as I did and make an erudite for vision and then use the ratogna buff to play as a rat. You also have the option to be a Troll through the illusions. Granted you already made your choice but maybe others wondered. __________________

01-10-2007, 10:24 PM	#11
JimmyMa General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 83	korpo53 wrote:Ratonga, obviously.

01-11-2007, 10:43 AM	#12
Chog General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 475	Go with an Ogre. Everything else is just lower on the food chain. __________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Your food stamps will be stopped effective March 1992 because we received notice that you passed away. May God bless you. You may reapply if there is a change in your circumstances."--Department of Social Services, Greenville, South Carolina

01-11-2007, 04:04 PM	#13
schmee Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 87	eeerrrr rawr! ogres ftw =) __________________

02-04-2007, 04:51 PM	#14
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	If it hasn't become apparent already....race really doens't matter that much in EQ2. Starting stats don't really matter by the time you get to the end game. Every stat is useful in some way to coercer (you definately don't want to focus on str, but starting out with enough str to carry 6 bags and not get encumbered is nice). There are a few racial traits that can give advantages.....I use this site http://home.comcast.net/~eq2gamedata/main.html to compare those. The auravision is probably the biggest advantage given by your racial selection for a coercer. It really only matters to a coercer though.

02-04-2007, 08:11 PM	#15
Philiac Champion Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 19	As has been said a few times in this thread, the only race that has any advantage over any other race for the coercer class is Erudite. Auravision is a big advantage when you are charming, particularly if you are unfamiliar with the area. I don't know how many classes/races can say they have their racial ability on their hotbar and use it often, but I do: right next to charm.

02-05-2007, 02:40 PM	#16
DwarvesR General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,390	I'm rather fond of my high elf. But then, she just looks so sweet that no one actually imagines the depths of her eeeeeeeevil. . . . . . . __________________ Jonna - 78 Inquisitor, Keodan - 77 Fury, Elynna - 90 Coercer, Clarisse - 90 ShadowKnight, Gotter - 90 Warlock, Kyeda - 66 Necromancer, Spirrita - 66 Defiler, Darlana - 75 Dirge, Meylota - 54 Warden, Guuk - 60 Monk, Briarra - 55 Brigand, Dactylus - 51 Mystic

02-05-2007, 07:30 PM	#17
Aranieq EQ2BM Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: EST (Boston Area) Posts: 590	Dark elves get a 250 point rune/ward and a reactive damage proc (short duration all- under 3 mins). Fae gets an extra "blink" type spell ... it's reverse blink actually it blinks the mobs but same agro redux AoE effect, also fae speed for pulling... both have high int (dark elf is 20/25 think to start \| fae 25/30 forget exactly) Believe Erudites and Gnomes have highest starter int off top of my head. Those are the only racial traits I have on hotbars that actually get dusted off occationally for my 2 main races. __________________

02-05-2007, 08:18 PM	#18
TheSpin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,587	Aranieq wrote: Dark elves get a 250 point rune/ward and a reactive damage proc (short duration all- under 3 mins). Fae gets an extra "blink" type spell ... it's reverse blink actually it blinks the mobs but same agro redux AoE effect, also fae speed for pulling... both have high int (dark elf is 20/25 think to start \| fae 25/30 forget exactly) Believe Erudites and Gnomes have highest starter int off top of my head. Those are the only racial traits I have on hotbars that actually get dusted off occationally for my 2 main races. Fae and froglocks both get the 'blink' type deaggro, though lots of classes get deagro without the blink effect. The runes and wards etc are on 30 minute cooldowns, same as blink. It's hardly worth picking a class for something that lasts 3 ticks once every 30 minutes. I really look at the passive abilities when I try to name a 'best' race. Fae have some good ones but they can't betray. Auravision is also good, I'm going to try to find out if tinkerers can make goggles to give this. Erudites have 30 int to start, gnomes 27, and quite a few other classes are over 20, Darkelves etc. The stats aren't major though because you can have a bigger effect on your stats by changing one piece of gear at level 70 than you can based on the race you choose. I hear once you hit about 700 int you should start investing in agi and stamina too (not to mention resists).

02-06-2007, 12:01 AM	#19
Aranieq EQ2BM Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: EST (Boston Area) Posts: 590	Personally i picked dark elf because they look hot, and they are very evil =) (EQ1-EQ2) and fae will eventually be able to betray but if you were like me made your fae expecting to betray when it went live got t7 and masters now don't want to loose them hehe might want to hold off on that =p, unless you level slower. as for passive dark elves get a power pool % one but think couple races get that, and extra passive int and agi. I used to have agi as my secondary trait since i like to play tank so much (in defense mode / MT mode- my coercers avoidance and defense was matched with the monk by the AGI line AA' abilities) and fae and DEF both good agi... it's not a big thing just a note. But for the int "cap" or diminishing returns... I have 920-1161ish int on raids(depending if Deathmarch and godking proc) when not in fury group its as low as 760 or so during comabt... with and without that fury int (Vim and group buff) my dps changes up to 300 points. with drink and int potion (12 int and 51 int ... i think) it goes up 100ish dps. I don't think the 5 point difference between say a fae and erudite would make or break but I wouldn't train anything n besides int (as a DPS coercer) when in MT coercer role I had STA for hp, cuz well can't be AS reckless should try and live and all =) (hp to live through nasty ae's ect..) Usually MT coercer drops things tend to go haywire... specially if the raid is pushing hard to match dps to agro... __________________

02-06-2007, 08:07 PM	#20
Roriondesexiest Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 581	umm trolls can summon lvl 1 food.... How cool is that. __________________