Crowd Control is everybodys business

Catl · 03-28-2006, 11:20 AM

I love how the shaman get an AE mez att lvl 69 that lasts twice as long as the Illusionist ae mez. This is the true spirit of class balancing. Now, if they would only let my Illusionist wear chain armor!

zit · 03-28-2006, 11:44 AM

i love that those unmezable / unstunable / unstifleable mobs in HoF still can be rooted and feared etc. makes other mage classes and even some healer better at CC there than chanter. Now, if they would only give me dps like a summoner !

Cylanth · 03-29-2006, 02:16 AM

You know, someone with some time should check and see how many other classes can mezz. The enchanter defining ability has basically been given to almost every other class. I am not talkinga bout Pacify or something like that, an actual mezz.

Off the top of my head, I know that bards, clerics, bruisers, swashbucklers, mystics, wizards can mezz. I am sure other classes got some type of mezz too.

Someone needs to compile a complete list and post it on the main spell forum, and then ask whats the purpose of enchanters anymore.

trenor · 03-29-2006, 04:02 AM

Nope! Crowd control is my business!! Thats why i rolled and play a chanter for control. Dps is other peeps business tankings other peeps business and now im bankrupt! [Removed for Content]

Pins · 03-29-2006, 04:28 AM

Cylanth wrote:
You know, someone with some time should check and see how many other classes can mezz. The enchanter defining ability has basically been given to almost every other class. I am not talkinga bout Pacify or something like that, an actual mezz.
Off the top of my head, I know that bards, clerics, bruisers, swashbucklers, mystics, wizards can mezz. I am sure other classes got some type of mezz too.
Someone needs to compile a complete list and post it on the main spell forum, and then ask whats the purpose of enchanters anymore.

Clerics have a pacify, not a mez. Mystics don't have a mez either. Only Troubadors(dirges do not have it), Bruisers(less duration than recast), Swashbucklers(less duration than recast), Wizards(which also mez themself), and Enchanters can do a real mez.

MilkToa · 03-29-2006, 04:36 AM

Defilers are shaman and they DO NOT get a mez of any kind.

Message Edited by MilkToast on 03-28-200603:37 PM

Catl · 03-29-2006, 10:02 AM

For those of you that are misinformed about Mystic Mez, I refer you to the Mystic 69 spell, Sonorus Spirits:

From the description:

Mesmerizes all enemies near the mystic and reduces their hate towards the shaman. Any hostile actions taken on them will break the mesmerize effect

Power 190

Casting 0.5 sec

Recovery 0.5 sec

Recast 5 minutes

Duration 12.5 sec

Please take some pains to inform yourself before making blanket false statements. This spell was easily checked

Catl · 03-29-2006, 10:14 AM

Sorry for the above scold.. I was looking at a different thread and got carried away!

Anyway, the stats and the sentiment are genuine ))

Antryg Mistrose · 04-06-2006, 08:48 AM

Pinski wrote: "Clerics have a pacify, not a mez"3 actually:Soothe - 60 sec duration, reduces aggro range of mob down to trip over distance. And it doesn't aggro you after. Beats any mez I've got as an Illusionist hands down in some situations (especially harvesting). Only caveat, you need to cast it before the mobs starts combat.Harmony - 15 minute recast, and dosn't last long. Not sure it has a limit on mob number though - true AoESign line - 20sec pacify - mob still has movement, and there is no mezz animation. But so what - it still takes the mob out of combat, and is hardly ever resisted at Master 1, ( does have a 20sec recast though)Also 1 stun, plus another 2 if you take the right AA linesTemplar = Ghetto enchanter

Message Edited by Antryg Mistrose on 04-06-200605:53 AM

Barobra · 04-06-2006, 08:25 PM

With a recast of 5 minutes I am not too worried about it.

zit · 04-08-2006, 02:44 AM

worried or not, i am missing some consistancy.

when our personae had a shorter cast time than summoner pets it got increased to 10 seconds.

now we have a shorter mez duration on our emergency spell than mystics, so why dont increase it also? :smileytongue:

or maybe make the spell upgradeable like healer emergency spells are.

we get barrier of intellect as a one time spell, unlike healers who get it as a spell line. which doesnt only result in mystic at lvl 70 having double duration on the mez, but also 3000 hate reduce vs. illusionist 950 or so.

maybe we can get Phase replaced with an upgraded BoI ?

or even better : replace Phase with an upgrade of Mana Cloak !

Barobra · 04-10-2006, 07:49 PM

I still think phase with an amnesia effect would make me happy about this spell and give it some great uses in a group. Wouldn't make us overpowered but would add some really nice CC without worrying about broken mezzes.

03-29-2006, 04:28 AM	#5
Pins General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,040	Cylanth wrote: You know, someone with some time should check and see how many other classes can mezz. The enchanter defining ability has basically been given to almost every other class. I am not talkinga bout Pacify or something like that, an actual mezz. Off the top of my head, I know that bards, clerics, bruisers, swashbucklers, mystics, wizards can mezz. I am sure other classes got some type of mezz too. Someone needs to compile a complete list and post it on the main spell forum, and then ask whats the purpose of enchanters anymore. Clerics have a pacify, not a mez. Mystics don't have a mez either. Only Troubadors(dirges do not have it), Bruisers(less duration than recast), Swashbucklers(less duration than recast), Wizards(which also mez themself), and Enchanters can do a real mez. __________________ Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Dissolution on Nektulos Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Confirmed on Unrest

04-06-2006, 08:48 AM	#9
Antryg Mistrose Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 893	Pinski wrote: "Clerics have a pacify, not a mez"3 actually:Soothe - 60 sec duration, reduces aggro range of mob down to trip over distance. And it doesn't aggro you after. Beats any mez I've got as an Illusionist hands down in some situations (especially harvesting). Only caveat, you need to cast it before the mobs starts combat.Harmony - 15 minute recast, and dosn't last long. Not sure it has a limit on mob number though - true AoESign line - 20sec pacify - mob still has movement, and there is no mezz animation. But so what - it still takes the mob out of combat, and is hardly ever resisted at Master 1, ( does have a 20sec recast though)Also 1 stun, plus another 2 if you take the right AA linesTemplar = Ghetto enchanter Message Edited by Antryg Mistrose on 04-06-200605:53 AM __________________ Illusionist//Paladin/Dirge/Templar Jeweler/Sage/Alchemist/Prov

03-28-2006, 11:20 AM	#1
Catl Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 52	I love how the shaman get an AE mez att lvl 69 that lasts twice as long as the Illusionist ae mez. This is the true spirit of class balancing. Now, if they would only let my Illusionist wear chain armor!

03-28-2006, 11:44 AM	#2
zit General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 573	i love that those unmezable / unstunable / unstifleable mobs in HoF still can be rooted and feared etc. makes other mage classes and even some healer better at CC there than chanter. Now, if they would only give me dps like a summoner !

03-29-2006, 02:16 AM	#3
Cylanth Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 68	You know, someone with some time should check and see how many other classes can mezz. The enchanter defining ability has basically been given to almost every other class. I am not talkinga bout Pacify or something like that, an actual mezz. Off the top of my head, I know that bards, clerics, bruisers, swashbucklers, mystics, wizards can mezz. I am sure other classes got some type of mezz too. Someone needs to compile a complete list and post it on the main spell forum, and then ask whats the purpose of enchanters anymore.

03-29-2006, 04:02 AM	#4
trenor Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 199	Nope! Crowd control is my business!! Thats why i rolled and play a chanter for control. Dps is other peeps business tankings other peeps business and now im bankrupt! [Removed for Content]

03-29-2006, 04:36 AM	#6
MilkToa General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 490	Defilers are shaman and they DO NOT get a mez of any kind. Message Edited by MilkToast on 03-28-200603:37 PM

03-29-2006, 10:02 AM	#7
Catl Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 52	For those of you that are misinformed about Mystic Mez, I refer you to the Mystic 69 spell, Sonorus Spirits: From the description: Mesmerizes all enemies near the mystic and reduces their hate towards the shaman. Any hostile actions taken on them will break the mesmerize effect Power 190 Casting 0.5 sec Recovery 0.5 sec Recast 5 minutes Duration 12.5 sec Please take some pains to inform yourself before making blanket false statements. This spell was easily checked

03-29-2006, 10:14 AM	#8
Catl Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 52	Sorry for the above scold.. I was looking at a different thread and got carried away! Anyway, the stats and the sentiment are genuine ))

04-06-2006, 08:25 PM	#10
Barobra Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 560	With a recast of 5 minutes I am not too worried about it.

04-08-2006, 02:44 AM	#11
zit General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 573	worried or not, i am missing some consistancy. when our personae had a shorter cast time than summoner pets it got increased to 10 seconds. now we have a shorter mez duration on our emergency spell than mystics, so why dont increase it also? :smileytongue: or maybe make the spell upgradeable like healer emergency spells are. we get barrier of intellect as a one time spell, unlike healers who get it as a spell line. which doesnt only result in mystic at lvl 70 having double duration on the mez, but also 3000 hate reduce vs. illusionist 950 or so. maybe we can get Phase replaced with an upgraded BoI ? or even better : replace Phase with an upgrade of Mana Cloak !

04-10-2006, 07:49 PM	#12
Barobra Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 560	I still think phase with an amnesia effect would make me happy about this spell and give it some great uses in a group. Wouldn't make us overpowered but would add some really nice CC without worrying about broken mezzes.