Nullmail : Can someone please look at it?

Ziffna · 11-22-2005, 10:15 PM

I'm a bit confuesed with why this spell is so in effective for instance when i get agro and see the mobs running at me i hit the button they start beating on me and then i'm dead and the mobs go back to the tank like you would expect however why doesn't the spell work worth a squat. Scouts get hate reducers that they are able to use every 30 seconds to a minute yet all the mage hate reducers have 15 minute reuse timers. Lets look at the effects of Nullmail since i'm a warlock and primarrily concerned with that at level 55 nullmail does:

39 points of heal

Decreases threat by 728

and inflicts 59 points of damage

ok inflicting damage just seems like a bad idea when your trying to reduce your hate as doing damage increases your hate, Second what is the point of a 39 point heal after level 40 when we get this spell even at 39 the heal portion of this spell is worthless because mobs are hitting mages for several 100's most of the time when we are hit. With the hate reduction being only 728 it seems that the hate reduction isn't scaling with out level eather as it's taking several hits to cause the mobs to want to move on to other targets. I'm disappointed that the spell as a line was removed and made into this non upgradable garbage while we had effectively a worthless spell prior to the revamp it really isn't any better now at level 55 racial hate reducers are scaled to almost 2k yet the class ones are far behind.

My sugestions for this spell increase the factor of healing by 10 making the heal for 390 when we get hit or increase the threat reduction to 1500 at this level in any case the scaling for level is way off as for the damage shield effect it's worthless just like the imbues on mage pants what good is a damage shield to a mage just for referance to how lame the heal is on this spell lambent imbued robes do a 70 point regen that lasts for 20 seconds.

Another suggestion which would make this spell infinitly more usefull would be to change it to a hate transfer spell where if you got agro you could cast the spell on someone and they would get the hate.

Yet another idea, make it a pbaoe without the stupid 8 mob restriction and give it a hate reduction of 1800ish.

What ever is done please do something with it compared to for instance the conjurers hate reducer which absorbes 3 attacks of any ammount of damage our hate reducer is a joke, wizards hate reducer the get to cast it at mobs before they get hate if they feel they are getting too close to pulling agro or when they see the mob comming ie they don't get hit by the mob. those are the only 2 that i'm really familure with but it just seems like the goal of our hate reducer is to let us die so we lose hate not get rid of it so we don't die.

Dabbie · 11-23-2005, 12:38 AM

I agree, pretty worthless spell still.

Moonspark · 11-23-2005, 03:43 AM

This spell works wonderfully, in my opinion. Everytime I cast it and I get hit I lose aggro instantly, then after getting rezzed and buffing up I'm good to go, no more aggro!

Seriously, the spell is on a 15 minute reuse timer and it is completely worthless. For a 15 minute timer it should instantly decrease your threat position by 1 and threat by a certain amount on the target or targets of your choice. I get a good laugh everytime I say in ventrilo that I used my deaggro buff, because usually when I say it I'm already dead.

Oakbr · 11-23-2005, 03:53 AM

I've only used this a couple of times...seemed like maybe it helped a little, but stun + root + back away works better. Then again, sometimes I go the kamikaze route--knowing I'll pull aggro, but betting I can drop the mob before it reaches me. I find it quite satisfying when a mob falls at my feet--as long as the wretch does NOT bleed on my robe.

MilkToa · 11-23-2005, 05:11 AM

Oakbrow wrote:
I've only used this a couple of times...seemed like maybe it helped a little, but stun + root + back away works better. Then again, sometimes I go the kamikaze route--knowing I'll pull aggro, but betting I can drop the mob before it reaches me. I find it quite satisfying when a mob falls at my feet--as long as the wretch does NOT bleed on my robe.

Unfortunately, you can't stun or root epic mobs so we're stuck with this stupid spell. Actually, I have a ratonga skill that is great for dumping aggro (but it's on a 30 minute timer) and I still use Tarton's Wheel if it's safe to phase shift. Your change of winning the lottery is greater than the chance that nullmail will save your bacon.

Deathspell · 11-23-2005, 05:34 PM

I forgot we had that spell SMILEY

But, that's why we have healers for, no? Seriously, this spell is so redundant. If you know your toon well you know how not to steal aggro, especially with tanks you never grouped with before. And when you do get aggro, well there's still the hate transfer spells from some classes and healers to save you SMILEY

The only thing Nullmail does is consuming mana power. Don't need it.

myrii · 11-23-2005, 06:37 PM

maybe i am lucky almost every time i use it the tanks gets aggro back i die prolly 25% of the time if i remember to use it but i do agree with the op the heal is pathetic when i am getting hit for 1k +

Soefje · 11-23-2005, 07:38 PM

It is real easy not to get aggro. Assist the main tank, start casting nukes, they will never land b/c the MOB is dead, start again, you never get aggro. Easy.

Deathspell · 11-23-2005, 08:37 PM

Now now, that only happens when there's a Wizard or Ranger in your group. /sarcasm off

Tanatus · 11-24-2005, 12:54 AM

Useless crap .... the only spell that REALLY help you lose agro is amends so get paladin pet and be happy

Ziffna · 11-26-2005, 04:28 AM

I was messing around with some spells today and noticed that Nullmail inaddition to the problums that i listed earlier with the spell it also doesn't seem to be scaling with our levels and is now gray on my hotbar since this isn't a line it should scale with us and shouldn't gray out after you hit 55.

Talonis · 11-28-2005, 07:59 AM

Humorous Footnote: I'm an extreme junkie when it comes to harvesting. Prior to the combat changes, I had my entire spellbook adept 3 or master......except for one spell. Nullmail was such a worthess spell, I never bothered to upgrade it. So here I am sitting on a few opals and decide what the heck, let's get it made. This is in August, mind you. I give the opal to my sage and he gives me my Adept 3 Nullmail....... .......a Mistmoore server discovery. I just thought that was kind of funny. Too bad I lost that opal after the changes....thx SOE for confirming that was a wasted rare, LOL.

Message Edited by GLScooby on 11-27-2005 07:02 PM

11-23-2005, 03:53 AM	#4
Oakbr Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 250	I've only used this a couple of times...seemed like maybe it helped a little, but stun + root + back away works better. Then again, sometimes I go the kamikaze route--knowing I'll pull aggro, but betting I can drop the mob before it reaches me. I find it quite satisfying when a mob falls at my feet--as long as the wretch does NOT bleed on my robe. __________________ Farghus--Level 57 Trollie Palladun. (Mees am NOT ebul!) Kahbueme--Level 57 Warlock (sounds like Kaboom as pronounced by a waiter in a snooty French restaurant) Najena Server

11-23-2005, 05:11 AM	#5
MilkToa General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 490	Oakbrow wrote: I've only used this a couple of times...seemed like maybe it helped a little, but stun + root + back away works better. Then again, sometimes I go the kamikaze route--knowing I'll pull aggro, but betting I can drop the mob before it reaches me. I find it quite satisfying when a mob falls at my feet--as long as the wretch does NOT bleed on my robe. Unfortunately, you can't stun or root epic mobs so we're stuck with this stupid spell. Actually, I have a ratonga skill that is great for dumping aggro (but it's on a 30 minute timer) and I still use Tarton's Wheel if it's safe to phase shift. Your change of winning the lottery is greater than the chance that nullmail will save your bacon.

11-23-2005, 05:34 PM	#6
Deathspell Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 727	I forgot we had that spell But, that's why we have healers for, no? Seriously, this spell is so redundant. If you know your toon well you know how not to steal aggro, especially with tanks you never grouped with before. And when you do get aggro, well there's still the hate transfer spells from some classes and healers to save you The only thing Nullmail does is consuming mana power. Don't need it.

11-22-2005, 10:15 PM	#1
Ziffna Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 132	I'm a bit confuesed with why this spell is so in effective for instance when i get agro and see the mobs running at me i hit the button they start beating on me and then i'm dead and the mobs go back to the tank like you would expect however why doesn't the spell work worth a squat. Scouts get hate reducers that they are able to use every 30 seconds to a minute yet all the mage hate reducers have 15 minute reuse timers. Lets look at the effects of Nullmail since i'm a warlock and primarrily concerned with that at level 55 nullmail does: 39 points of heal Decreases threat by 728 and inflicts 59 points of damage ok inflicting damage just seems like a bad idea when your trying to reduce your hate as doing damage increases your hate, Second what is the point of a 39 point heal after level 40 when we get this spell even at 39 the heal portion of this spell is worthless because mobs are hitting mages for several 100's most of the time when we are hit. With the hate reduction being only 728 it seems that the hate reduction isn't scaling with out level eather as it's taking several hits to cause the mobs to want to move on to other targets. I'm disappointed that the spell as a line was removed and made into this non upgradable garbage while we had effectively a worthless spell prior to the revamp it really isn't any better now at level 55 racial hate reducers are scaled to almost 2k yet the class ones are far behind. My sugestions for this spell increase the factor of healing by 10 making the heal for 390 when we get hit or increase the threat reduction to 1500 at this level in any case the scaling for level is way off as for the damage shield effect it's worthless just like the imbues on mage pants what good is a damage shield to a mage just for referance to how lame the heal is on this spell lambent imbued robes do a 70 point regen that lasts for 20 seconds. Another suggestion which would make this spell infinitly more usefull would be to change it to a hate transfer spell where if you got agro you could cast the spell on someone and they would get the hate. Yet another idea, make it a pbaoe without the stupid 8 mob restriction and give it a hate reduction of 1800ish. What ever is done please do something with it compared to for instance the conjurers hate reducer which absorbes 3 attacks of any ammount of damage our hate reducer is a joke, wizards hate reducer the get to cast it at mobs before they get hate if they feel they are getting too close to pulling agro or when they see the mob comming ie they don't get hit by the mob. those are the only 2 that i'm really familure with but it just seems like the goal of our hate reducer is to let us die so we lose hate not get rid of it so we don't die.

11-23-2005, 12:38 AM	#2
Dabbie Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 70	I agree, pretty worthless spell still.

11-23-2005, 03:43 AM	#3
Moonspark Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 105	This spell works wonderfully, in my opinion. Everytime I cast it and I get hit I lose aggro instantly, then after getting rezzed and buffing up I'm good to go, no more aggro! Seriously, the spell is on a 15 minute reuse timer and it is completely worthless. For a 15 minute timer it should instantly decrease your threat position by 1 and threat by a certain amount on the target or targets of your choice. I get a good laugh everytime I say in ventrilo that I used my deaggro buff, because usually when I say it I'm already dead.

11-23-2005, 06:37 PM	#7
myrii General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 72	maybe i am lucky almost every time i use it the tanks gets aggro back i die prolly 25% of the time if i remember to use it but i do agree with the op the heal is pathetic when i am getting hit for 1k +

11-23-2005, 07:38 PM	#8
Soefje Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 302	It is real easy not to get aggro. Assist the main tank, start casting nukes, they will never land b/c the MOB is dead, start again, you never get aggro. Easy.

11-23-2005, 08:37 PM	#9
Deathspell Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 727	Now now, that only happens when there's a Wizard or Ranger in your group. /sarcasm off

11-24-2005, 12:54 AM	#10
Tanatus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	Useless crap .... the only spell that REALLY help you lose agro is amends so get paladin pet and be happy

11-26-2005, 04:28 AM	#11
Ziffna Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 132	I was messing around with some spells today and noticed that Nullmail inaddition to the problums that i listed earlier with the spell it also doesn't seem to be scaling with our levels and is now gray on my hotbar since this isn't a line it should scale with us and shouldn't gray out after you hit 55.

11-28-2005, 07:59 AM	#12
Talonis Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 81	Humorous Footnote: I'm an extreme junkie when it comes to harvesting. Prior to the combat changes, I had my entire spellbook adept 3 or master......except for one spell. Nullmail was such a worthess spell, I never bothered to upgrade it. So here I am sitting on a few opals and decide what the heck, let's get it made. This is in August, mind you. I give the opal to my sage and he gives me my Adept 3 Nullmail....... .......a Mistmoore server discovery. I just thought that was kind of funny. Too bad I lost that opal after the changes....thx SOE for confirming that was a wasted rare, LOL. Message Edited by GLScooby on 11-27-2005 07:02 PM