Please Post Information on Wizard Spells 51-60

Blindrage · 08-22-2005, 11:02 PM

Please post any information / screenshots that you know of on our 51-60 spells, Thank you.

Blast@Guk

stepha72 · 08-23-2005, 03:38 AM

Yah, the warlocks have a post like this so we should have one too!!!:smileyvery-happy: (I'm just havin some fun, please dont flame me. I'm just jokin, hoping we can have a sence of humor about ourselves :smileywink: )

It really would be nice to see the spells beyond level 50 for the wizards. There is a nice post with all the changes to our currents spells but I am curious what spells we will get from 51-60.

Thanks!!!:smileyvery-happy:

Message Edited by stepha72 on 08-22-2005 04:39 PM

Kuva · 08-23-2005, 04:13 AM

stepha72 wrote:

Yah, the warlocks have a post like this so we should have one too!!!

Yeah well, after the warlock spells were posted you could see the black cloud of depression settle over our forum. Hope the wiz ones are more inspiring. (Ya sure why not, you are getting new 2000-pt nukes evey day... why not give you combat rez and teleport too, since you're so gimped in utility compared to warlocks). My current estimate is that if these chnages go live, 50%+ of current warlocks will quit playing within 2 weeks. You wizzies will pwn the empty landscape.

Tar~Palantir · 08-23-2005, 06:55 AM

Kuvala wrote:

stepha72 wrote:

Yah, the warlocks have a post like this so we should have one too!!!

Yeah well, after the warlock spells were posted you could see the black cloud of depression settle over our forum. Hope the wiz ones are more inspiring. (Ya sure why not, you are getting new 2000-pt nukes evey day... why not give you combat rez and teleport too, since you're so gimped in utility compared to warlocks).

My current estimate is that if these chnages go live, 50%+ of current warlocks will quit playing within 2 weeks. You wizzies will pwn the empty landscape.

Warlocks are always [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing to me about their damage if I group with them. I hope that class deis miserably

In my words GOD SAVE SONY, THANK YOU SO MUCH, I AM SO HAPPY THATN WARLOCKS ARE GETTING A SWIFT KICK IN THE [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] AND WIZARDS ARE GETTING BOOSTS.

I am as proud as peacock!

Icehea · 08-23-2005, 07:10 AM

You say that 50% of the warlocks would quit in 2 weeks? Why? wizards were way behind warlocks for 10 months in DMG and you giving up in 2 weeks? everything gets fixed. Just needs some time. Relax it is a game SMILEY

Iceheart

XBr · 08-23-2005, 07:39 AM

Iceheart wrote:

You say that 50% of the warlocks would quit in 2 weeks? Why? wizards were way behind warlocks for 10 months in DMG

Yes, I was in raiding guilds a god bit of that time, and watched probably 80% of our wizzies quit the game once they realized they were just mana batteries in most raids. Back in maybe march or so, there were 3 times as many wiz's as warlocks playing. Look at the rosters of the raiding guilds now, there are about equal numbers. This is because the great majority of those wizzies from March have quit in disgust. Now it's the warlocks ' turn SMILEY

Magiocracy · 08-23-2005, 11:13 AM

Tar~Palantir wrote:

Warlocks are always [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing to me about their damage if I group with them. I hope that class deis miserably

In my words GOD SAVE SONY, THANK YOU SO MUCH, I AM SO HAPPY THATN WARLOCKS ARE GETTING A SWIFT KICK IN THE [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] AND WIZARDS ARE GETTING BOOSTS.

I am as proud as peacock!

Sad...did it even occur to you that the problem was with the people you were grouping with and not the Warlock class. In any case, what you fail to realise is what goes around comes around. This is the second time now that SOE has massively boosted one of the sorcerer classes and broken the other, and sooner or later SOE will do the same thing again and the roles will be reversed. We should be aiming for parity between the two classes, not an endless cycle of having one of the two classes broken. Enjoy it while it lasts, because I guarantee you, it won't last forever.

Message Edited by Magiocracy on 08-23-2005 09:14 AM

Message Edited by Magiocracy on 08-23-2005 10:16 AM

Deathspell · 08-23-2005, 06:40 PM

Tar~Palantir, you're a sad person.

SalBlu · 08-23-2005, 10:40 PM

Tar~Palantir wrote:

Warlocks are always [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing to me about their damage if I group with them. I hope that class deis miserably

In my words GOD SAVE SONY, THANK YOU SO MUCH, I AM SO HAPPY THATN WARLOCKS ARE GETTING A SWIFT KICK IN THE [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] AND WIZARDS ARE GETTING BOOSTS.

I am as proud as peacock!

Way to give Wizards a good name. /sarcasmOFF

Malv · 08-23-2005, 11:31 PM

I must just not being seeing this MASSIVE boost to the wizard class.

papabear0 · 08-23-2005, 11:51 PM

we get another big nuke at lvl 50 thats on a diff timer from ice comet and most of our other spells are upgraded also.

we will definatly have and upper hand in the single target encounters but will still be behind in the group encounters. the whining from the warlock camp is that the dps difference will be so huge and they (even though they will still be on top or very close to the top of the dps food chain) will be [Removed for Content] now.

bottom line: wizards are where wizards suppose to be. on par with overall warlock damage. there will always be certain encounters that favor one class over the other and some of the more emotional players will come in the boards to whine and complain how one class is far superior to the other.

stepha72 · 08-24-2005, 12:29 AM

Double post - ignore

Message Edited by stepha72 on 08-23-2005 01:53 PM

stepha72 · 08-24-2005, 12:29 AM

Also we have to remember that wizards (pre-revamp) went from level 37 to level 50 without really getting any DD spells. We got Ball of Flames at level 37 and at 38 we got immolation. But until level 50 we did not get another DD spell that did any real damage.

Some of our spells have changed - Paralize (44) use to do no damage

Flamestrike (43) before revamp did at max of around 150 damage

Basically what I am saying is before the revamp we did not have a lot of high level DD spells. Now, with the revamp, that has been improved upon. I actually enjoy my wizard very much the way it is except for the raid mob resists. But, I look forward to trying out the new spells and actually having a use for some of those useless spells we got, put on our toolbar for a couple of days, and then later said "why do I have this spell on my toolbar it sucks and I never use it **cough, cough** protoflame"

My two cents...

P.S. I also agree with what Magicracy, Deathspell and Salbluee said. It is nice that we are getting a boost but I think if you checked with most wizards (ingnore the idiots) we were hoping that if we did get a boost it would not come at the detriment of warlocks.

Message Edited by stepha72 on 08-23-2005 01:59 PM

Magiocracy · 08-24-2005, 12:48 AM

Malvos wrote:
I must just not being seeing this MASSIVE boost to the wizard class.

Then I suggest you need new glasses - Icy Wind is now almost the equivalent to Devastation and Surging Tempest is a new 3k+ nuke that has no Warlock equivalent.

Magiocracy · 08-24-2005, 12:54 AM

papabear005 wrote:
we get another big nuke at lvl 50 thats on a diff timer from ice comet and most of our other spells are upgraded also.

we will definatly have and upper hand in the single target encounters but will still be behind in the group encounters. the whining from the warlock camp is that the dps difference will be so huge and they (even though they will still be on top or very close to the top of the dps food chain) will be [Removed for Content] now.

bottom line: wizards are where wizards suppose to be. on par with overall warlock damage. there will always be certain encounters that favor one class over the other and some of the more emotional players will come in the boards to whine and complain how one class is far superior to the other.

It's funny hearing a Wizard complaining about someone else whining given what the rest of us have listened to over the past 10 months or so - if you bother to do the math you'll see that Wizard single target dps is now at least 40-50% ahead of Warlocks. And don't give me any rubbish about Warlock's AoE dps making up for it - 80-90% of the game is single targets. Being ahead in 10-20% of encounters does not make the classes equal like they should be.

Daga · 08-24-2005, 01:43 AM

All I ahve to say is

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA

And this is not aimed at the Warlocks or the Wizards, but at Sony. ARe you freaking kidding me? Most wizards have been askign for a boost for a while. Not only do we get boosted, but in that process, you take our counterparts, and destroy their dps, post 50. Why? Is it intentional? do you not want Wizards and Warlocks to get along? This is just stupid, We finally get our boost, only to now see Warlocks drop way behind. Why can we not be roughly equal. I just don't get it.

Sorcerers give up a lot to be able to nuke. No CC. No Melee. No Armor. Just pure unadulterated nuking. The classes need to be equal but seperate. It seems like it isn't that hard to do. One is based off of elements, the other off of natural. One is AOE king, ond is DD. So you go and give Wizards teh big nukes. Great we are happy. Then you give us a spell equal to their AOE. Ummm Okay. but what do the Warlocks get?

Nice to see we will have a few more months of squabbling between us. EQUALIZE the classes.

papabear0 · 08-24-2005, 01:45 AM

It's funny hearing a Wizard complaining about someone else whining given what the rest of us have listened to over the past 10 months or so - if you bother to do the math you'll see that Wizard single target dps is now at least 40-50% ahead of Warlocks. And don't give me any rubbish about Warlock's AoE dps making up for it - 80-90% of the game is single targets. Being ahead in 10-20% of encounters does not make the classes equal like they should be.

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you dont raid, do you? if you did, please please tell me which epic encounter is single target only. enlighten me. show me with your magical numbers how i raid 6 nights a week and almost never see a solo epic encounter. show me with your % thingys that even if you only had one mob, no adds will come and you have to ae them down. i dont complain, i just state facts. fact is: warlocks stayed the same, all other mages went up in dps, now you and many other warlocks are pisssed that your no longer top dog. go cry me a river.

Magiocracy · 08-24-2005, 01:54 AM

papabear005 wrote:

It's funny hearing a Wizard complaining about someone else whining given what the rest of us have listened to over the past 10 months or so - if you bother to do the math you'll see that Wizard single target dps is now at least 40-50% ahead of Warlocks. And don't give me any rubbish about Warlock's AoE dps making up for it - 80-90% of the game is single targets. Being ahead in 10-20% of encounters does not make the classes equal like they should be.

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you dont raid, do you? if you did, please please tell me which epic encounter is single target only. enlighten me. show me with your magical numbers how i raid 6 nights a week and almost never see a solo epic encounter. show me with your % thingys that even if you only had one mob, no adds will come and you have to ae them down. i dont complain, i just state facts. fact is: warlocks stayed the same, all other mages went up in dps, now you and many other warlocks are pisssed that your no longer top dog. go cry me a river.

AoE is only any use when you can use it without getting aggro and yes, I've got news for you - raiding is not the only part of the game so take your condescending attitude and shove it where the sun don't shine. Warlocks are [Removed for Content] because we should have, on average equal dps to Wizards. We are not crying because we are no longer top dog - according to SOE there should be four top dps classes - Wizards/Warlocks/Rangers/Assassins - we're merely pointing out that as the revamp currently stands we're nowhere near the other 3. Ultimately you can gloat all you want, but unless both Wizards and Warlocks realise that EQUALITY is what we need, eventually SOE will do their now patented flip-flop of the classes and then you'll be the one 'crying a river', so enjoy it while it lasts.

Message Edited by Magiocracy on 08-23-2005 10:57 PM

adamflanagan · 08-24-2005, 02:01 AM

Magiocracy wrote:
papabear005 wrote:
It's funny hearing a Wizard complaining about someone else whining given what the rest of us have listened to over the past 10 months or so - if you bother to do the math you'll see that Wizard single target dps is now at least 40-50% ahead of Warlocks. And don't give me any rubbish about Warlock's AoE dps making up for it - 80-90% of the game is single targets. Being ahead in 10-20% of encounters does not make the classes equal like they should be.

__________________________________________________ ______________________________

you dont raid, do you? if you did, please please tell me which epic encounter is single target only. enlighten me. show me with your magical numbers how i raid 6 nights a week and almost never see a solo epic encounter. show me with your % thingys that even if you only had one mob, no adds will come and you have to ae them down. i dont complain, i just state facts. fact is: warlocks stayed the same, all other mages went up in dps, now you and many other warlocks are pisssed that your no longer top dog. go cry me a river.
AoE is only any use when you can use it without getting aggro and yes, I've got news for you - raiding is not the only part of the game so take your condescending attitude and shove it where the sun don't shine. Warlocks are [Removed for Content] because we should have, on average equal dps to Wizards. We are not crying because we are no longer top dog - according to SOE there should be four top dps classes - Wizards/Warlocks/Rangers/Assassins - we're merely pointing out that as the revamp currently stands we're nowhere near the other 3. Ultimately you can gloat all you want, but unless both Wizards and Warlocks realise that EQUALITY is what we need, eventually SOE will do their now patented flip-flop of the classes and then you'll be the one 'crying a river', so enjoy it while it lasts.
Message Edited by Magiocracy on 08-23-200510:57 PM

i dont know wheather you've noticed but wizards have been asking for equality for MONTHS now.Also... raiding is pretty much the only thing to do at 50.

Magiocracy · 08-24-2005, 02:03 AM

Dagath wrote:
All I ahve to say is

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA

And this is not aimed at the Warlocks or the Wizards, but at Sony. ARe you freaking kidding me? Most wizards have been askign for a boost for a while. Not only do we get boosted, but in that process, you take our counterparts, and destroy their dps, post 50. Why? Is it intentional? do you not want Wizards and Warlocks to get along? This is just stupid, We finally get our boost, only to now see Warlocks drop way behind. Why can we not be roughly equal. I just don't get it.

Sorcerers give up a lot to be able to nuke. No CC. No Melee. No Armor. Just pure unadulterated nuking. The classes need to be equal but seperate. It seems like it isn't that hard to do. One is based off of elements, the other off of natural. One is AOE king, ond is DD. So you go and give Wizards teh big nukes. Great we are happy. Then you give us a spell equal to their AOE. Ummm Okay. but what do the Warlocks get?

Nice to see we will have a few more months of squabbling between us. EQUALIZE the classes.

Hear hear, nice to see someone here grasps what's going on.

Magiocracy · 08-24-2005, 02:10 AM

adamflanagan wrote:
i dont know wheather you've noticed but wizards have been asking for equality for MONTHS now.Also... raiding is pretty much the only thing to do at 50.

Yes, and I don't disagree for a minute that up until now Warlock dps was silly compared to other classes, particularly Wizards. Wizards badly need an upgrade and it does appear you've gotton it. But it's exactly because Wizards have spent 10 months or so waiting to get the dps they should have had in the first place that you should understand that Warlocks aren't particularly happy at the prospect of waiting 10 months after this revamp before SOE get around to fixing our now inferior dps.

MilkToa · 08-24-2005, 03:04 AM

Dagath wrote:

All I ahve to say is

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA

And this is not aimed at the Warlocks or the Wizards, but at Sony. ARe you freaking kidding me? Most wizards have been askign for a boost for a while. Not only do we get boosted, but in that process, you take our counterparts, and destroy their dps, post 50. Why? Is it intentional? do you not want Wizards and Warlocks to get along? This is just stupid, We finally get our boost, only to now see Warlocks drop way behind. Why can we not be roughly equal. I just don't get it.

Sorcerers give up a lot to be able to nuke. No CC. No Melee. No Armor. Just pure unadulterated nuking. The classes need to be equal but seperate. It seems like it isn't that hard to do. One is based off of elements, the other off of natural. One is AOE king, ond is DD. So you go and give Wizards teh big nukes. Great we are happy. Then you give us a spell equal to their AOE. Ummm Okay. but what do the Warlocks get?

Nice to see we will have a few more months of squabbling between us. EQUALIZE the classes.

No squabbling from this warlock, I'm glad to see wizards get some good nukes and just hope they aren't all resisted on epic mobs. SOE described a warlock as poison and disease based version of a wizard and that's what I want to be. I don't want to be a specialist in AOE and I sure as hell don't want to be a DOT class. I knew when I scribed my master 1 of Nil Distortion at level 37 that it was too good to be true and when that master 1 of Devastation dropped in the heroic arena I was living on borrowed time, I guess SOE's going to make sure I was right.

Daga · 08-24-2005, 05:38 AM

MilkToast wrote:

No squabbling from this warlock, I'm glad to see wizards get some good nukes and just hope they aren't all resisted on epic mobs. SOE described a warlock as poison and disease based version of a wizard and that's what I want to be. I don't want to be a specialist in AOE and I sure as hell don't want to be a DOT class. I knew when I scribed my master 1 of Nil Distortion at level 37 that it was too good to be true and when that master 1 of Devastation dropped in the heroic arena I was living on borrowed time, I guess SOE's going to make sure I was right.

Specialist in AOE, no. But better at it than us, sure. And I felt the same with Ring of Cold. The nerf bat was just waiting to be swung and as much as I liked the spell, I knew how overpowered it was. And yeah, all this DD power will mean exactly squat, if raids still resist everything I throw at it. Either way, I'm not happy to see Warlocks NOT get something really good, like Wizards did.

Lady Uaelr · 08-24-2005, 11:05 AM

This makes no sense and SOE does not get it.

Warlocks are not supposed to be only AE specialists...they should also be experts in dd but poison based while wizards are elemental based.

This is so ridiculous already. Does anyone have a address or a phone so we can request a community conference call.

Wizards and Warlocks should be AE and DD specialists but based on the source of their powers.

Any other game on the market does not do this.

Please tell me for instance why would a Warlock with powers based in poison and disease automatically have to be more effective with AE targets???

Or why would a Wizard with powers based in the elements be specialized in direct damage??

This does not make sense......if SOE is having a difficult time figuring this out then they should ask the community for help.

Seems to me that a high level wizard should be able to summon a hail storm on various opponents as well as call down a devastating comet on to an attacker and be just as deadly.

By the same token, a high level warlock should be able to disease and infestate a group of attackers and deliver a deadly poison just as effectively as the wizard.

Both classes should be equally as deadly..........the only difference should be the origin of their powers.

Some people like myself feel that being a warlock is too evil and unleashing poison and disease is not appealing.

Therefore, there is the option to be a caster that can do a similar amount of damage but through the use of manipulating the elements.

The only difference between these two classes is the where their power comes from.

SOE does not have to make them totally equal they should both have advantages over each other. I though the idea of wizards being more proficient in mana tranfers and having the evac was great while warlocks had amazing group buffs and power drains.

Think about it.

Eina · 08-24-2005, 01:19 PM

Pretty agree to Lady upstair, I choose wizards over warlock when starting is not bcos I know 1 is dd master, 1 is aoe master. It is bcos wizzy and warlock concentrate on diff damage based spells, and I would like to be more "positive", so I choose wizzy over warlock. I think even the handbook, guidebook all didnt mention warlock will be aoe master at all, and no one tell me wizzy will be only dd master and their spells will get greatly "resist,immune" in raid at all !!

However, I guess right now, those devs have a mind set that force every class fall into a "specific" role from dev's mind, I guess we only can adapt it SMILEY

MilkToa · 08-24-2005, 07:29 PM

Eina wrote:

Pretty agree to Lady upstair, I choose wizards over warlock when starting is not bcos I know 1 is dd master, 1 is aoe master. It is bcos wizzy and warlock concentrate on diff damage based spells, and I would like to be more "positive", so I choose wizzy over warlock. I think even the handbook, guidebook all didnt mention warlock will be aoe master at all, and no one tell me wizzy will be only dd master and their spells will get greatly "resist,immune" in raid at all !!

However, I guess right now, those devs have a mind set that force every class fall into a "specific" role from dev's mind, I guess we only can adapt it

They aren't trying to turn warlocks into a AE class, if you look at the new spells from 51 to 60, they're trying to turn them into DOT class (which is much worse).

Tar~Palantir · 08-24-2005, 09:25 PM

Now warlocks have gone from gods to very powerful mortals. Deal with it.

I will enjoy my wizardly supremacy as long as it lasts.

MilkToa · 08-24-2005, 09:44 PM

Tar~Palantir wrote:

Now warlocks have gone from gods to very powerful mortals. Deal with it.

I will enjoy my wizardly supremacy as long as it lasts.

I've always empathized with the wizard's problems and supported their calls for fixing the class in spite of malcontents like you. It ashame that you cannot understand that non-functional classes are bad for the game whether it's the class you play or not. I'm just glad you aren't a blight on the warlock class. I just hope someday when you growup you learn something about the concept of compassion.

Message Edited by MilkToast on 08-24-2005 10:44 AM

Myzyri · 08-24-2005, 11:31 PM

Gratz T-Pal....Im gonna screen shot those words and I HOPE with all that I am that some day you have to eat those words. [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]

Thuagb · 08-24-2005, 11:37 PM

Tal thats just sad man , get a helmet !

08-23-2005, 04:13 AM	#3
Kuva Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 75	stepha72 wrote: Yah, the warlocks have a post like this so we should have one too!!! Yeah well, after the warlock spells were posted you could see the black cloud of depression settle over our forum. Hope the wiz ones are more inspiring. (Ya sure why not, you are getting new 2000-pt nukes evey day... why not give you combat rez and teleport too, since you're so gimped in utility compared to warlocks). My current estimate is that if these chnages go live, 50%+ of current warlocks will quit playing within 2 weeks. You wizzies will pwn the empty landscape.

08-23-2005, 06:55 AM	#4
Tar~Palantir Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 328	Kuvala wrote: stepha72 wrote: Yah, the warlocks have a post like this so we should have one too!!! Yeah well, after the warlock spells were posted you could see the black cloud of depression settle over our forum. Hope the wiz ones are more inspiring. (Ya sure why not, you are getting new 2000-pt nukes evey day... why not give you combat rez and teleport too, since you're so gimped in utility compared to warlocks). My current estimate is that if these chnages go live, 50%+ of current warlocks will quit playing within 2 weeks. You wizzies will pwn the empty landscape. Warlocks are always [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing to me about their damage if I group with them. I hope that class deis miserably In my words GOD SAVE SONY, THANK YOU SO MUCH, I AM SO HAPPY THATN WARLOCKS ARE GETTING A SWIFT KICK IN THE [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] AND WIZARDS ARE GETTING BOOSTS. I am as proud as peacock! __________________ Echoes of Fadywer: Finally an expansion that doesn't create a rat race for max level.

08-23-2005, 07:10 AM	#5
Icehea Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 45	You say that 50% of the warlocks would quit in 2 weeks? Why? wizards were way behind warlocks for 10 months in DMG and you giving up in 2 weeks? everything gets fixed. Just needs some time. Relax it is a game Iceheart

08-23-2005, 07:39 AM	#6
XBr Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 185	Iceheart wrote: You say that 50% of the warlocks would quit in 2 weeks? Why? wizards were way behind warlocks for 10 months in DMG Yes, I was in raiding guilds a god bit of that time, and watched probably 80% of our wizzies quit the game once they realized they were just mana batteries in most raids. Back in maybe march or so, there were 3 times as many wiz's as warlocks playing. Look at the rosters of the raiding guilds now, there are about equal numbers. This is because the great majority of those wizzies from March have quit in disgust. Now it's the warlocks ' turn

08-23-2005, 11:13 AM	#7
Magiocracy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 481	Tar~Palantir wrote: Warlocks are always [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing to me about their damage if I group with them. I hope that class deis miserably In my words GOD SAVE SONY, THANK YOU SO MUCH, I AM SO HAPPY THATN WARLOCKS ARE GETTING A SWIFT KICK IN THE [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] AND WIZARDS ARE GETTING BOOSTS. I am as proud as peacock! Sad...did it even occur to you that the problem was with the people you were grouping with and not the Warlock class. In any case, what you fail to realise is what goes around comes around. This is the second time now that SOE has massively boosted one of the sorcerer classes and broken the other, and sooner or later SOE will do the same thing again and the roles will be reversed. We should be aiming for parity between the two classes, not an endless cycle of having one of the two classes broken. Enjoy it while it lasts, because I guarantee you, it won't last forever. Message Edited by Magiocracy on 08-23-2005 09:14 AM Message Edited by Magiocracy on 08-23-2005 10:16 AM __________________

08-22-2005, 11:02 PM	#1
Blindrage Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 46	Please post any information / screenshots that you know of on our 51-60 spells, Thank you. Blast@Guk

08-23-2005, 03:38 AM	#2
stepha72 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 108	Yah, the warlocks have a post like this so we should have one too!!!:smileyvery-happy: (I'm just havin some fun, please dont flame me. I'm just jokin, hoping we can have a sence of humor about ourselves :smileywink: ) It really would be nice to see the spells beyond level 50 for the wizards. There is a nice post with all the changes to our currents spells but I am curious what spells we will get from 51-60. Thanks!!!:smileyvery-happy: Message Edited by stepha72 on 08-22-2005 04:39 PM

08-23-2005, 06:40 PM	#8
Deathspell Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 727	Tar~Palantir, you're a sad person.

08-23-2005, 10:40 PM	#9
SalBlu Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 439	Tar~Palantir wrote: Warlocks are always [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing to me about their damage if I group with them. I hope that class deis miserably In my words GOD SAVE SONY, THANK YOU SO MUCH, I AM SO HAPPY THATN WARLOCKS ARE GETTING A SWIFT KICK IN THE [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] AND WIZARDS ARE GETTING BOOSTS. I am as proud as peacock! Way to give Wizards a good name. /sarcasmOFF

08-23-2005, 11:31 PM	#10
Malv Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	I must just not being seeing this MASSIVE boost to the wizard class.

08-23-2005, 11:51 PM	#11
papabear0 Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 54	we get another big nuke at lvl 50 thats on a diff timer from ice comet and most of our other spells are upgraded also. we will definatly have and upper hand in the single target encounters but will still be behind in the group encounters. the whining from the warlock camp is that the dps difference will be so huge and they (even though they will still be on top or very close to the top of the dps food chain) will be [Removed for Content] now. bottom line: wizards are where wizards suppose to be. on par with overall warlock damage. there will always be certain encounters that favor one class over the other and some of the more emotional players will come in the boards to whine and complain how one class is far superior to the other.

08-24-2005, 12:29 AM	#12
stepha72 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 108	Double post - ignore Message Edited by stepha72 on 08-23-2005 01:53 PM

08-24-2005, 12:48 AM	#14
Magiocracy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 481	Malvos wrote: I must just not being seeing this MASSIVE boost to the wizard class. Then I suggest you need new glasses - Icy Wind is now almost the equivalent to Devastation and Surging Tempest is a new 3k+ nuke that has no Warlock equivalent. __________________

08-24-2005, 12:54 AM	#15
Magiocracy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 481	papabear005 wrote: we get another big nuke at lvl 50 thats on a diff timer from ice comet and most of our other spells are upgraded also. we will definatly have and upper hand in the single target encounters but will still be behind in the group encounters. the whining from the warlock camp is that the dps difference will be so huge and they (even though they will still be on top or very close to the top of the dps food chain) will be [Removed for Content] now. bottom line: wizards are where wizards suppose to be. on par with overall warlock damage. there will always be certain encounters that favor one class over the other and some of the more emotional players will come in the boards to whine and complain how one class is far superior to the other. It's funny hearing a Wizard complaining about someone else whining given what the rest of us have listened to over the past 10 months or so - if you bother to do the math you'll see that Wizard single target dps is now at least 40-50% ahead of Warlocks. And don't give me any rubbish about Warlock's AoE dps making up for it - 80-90% of the game is single targets. Being ahead in 10-20% of encounters does not make the classes equal like they should be. __________________

08-24-2005, 01:43 AM	#16
Daga Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 87	All I ahve to say is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA And this is not aimed at the Warlocks or the Wizards, but at Sony. ARe you freaking kidding me? Most wizards have been askign for a boost for a while. Not only do we get boosted, but in that process, you take our counterparts, and destroy their dps, post 50. Why? Is it intentional? do you not want Wizards and Warlocks to get along? This is just stupid, We finally get our boost, only to now see Warlocks drop way behind. Why can we not be roughly equal. I just don't get it. Sorcerers give up a lot to be able to nuke. No CC. No Melee. No Armor. Just pure unadulterated nuking. The classes need to be equal but seperate. It seems like it isn't that hard to do. One is based off of elements, the other off of natural. One is AOE king, ond is DD. So you go and give Wizards teh big nukes. Great we are happy. Then you give us a spell equal to their AOE. Ummm Okay. but what do the Warlocks get? Nice to see we will have a few more months of squabbling between us. EQUALIZE the classes. __________________ In memory of Grollerdabard

08-24-2005, 01:45 AM	#17
papabear0 Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 54	It's funny hearing a Wizard complaining about someone else whining given what the rest of us have listened to over the past 10 months or so - if you bother to do the math you'll see that Wizard single target dps is now at least 40-50% ahead of Warlocks. And don't give me any rubbish about Warlock's AoE dps making up for it - 80-90% of the game is single targets. Being ahead in 10-20% of encounters does not make the classes equal like they should be. __________________________________________________ ______________________________ you dont raid, do you? if you did, please please tell me which epic encounter is single target only. enlighten me. show me with your magical numbers how i raid 6 nights a week and almost never see a solo epic encounter. show me with your % thingys that even if you only had one mob, no adds will come and you have to ae them down. i dont complain, i just state facts. fact is: warlocks stayed the same, all other mages went up in dps, now you and many other warlocks are pisssed that your no longer top dog. go cry me a river.

08-24-2005, 01:54 AM	#18
Magiocracy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 481	papabear005 wrote: It's funny hearing a Wizard complaining about someone else whining given what the rest of us have listened to over the past 10 months or so - if you bother to do the math you'll see that Wizard single target dps is now at least 40-50% ahead of Warlocks. And don't give me any rubbish about Warlock's AoE dps making up for it - 80-90% of the game is single targets. Being ahead in 10-20% of encounters does not make the classes equal like they should be. __________________________________________________ ______________________________ you dont raid, do you? if you did, please please tell me which epic encounter is single target only. enlighten me. show me with your magical numbers how i raid 6 nights a week and almost never see a solo epic encounter. show me with your % thingys that even if you only had one mob, no adds will come and you have to ae them down. i dont complain, i just state facts. fact is: warlocks stayed the same, all other mages went up in dps, now you and many other warlocks are pisssed that your no longer top dog. go cry me a river. AoE is only any use when you can use it without getting aggro and yes, I've got news for you - raiding is not the only part of the game so take your condescending attitude and shove it where the sun don't shine. Warlocks are [Removed for Content] because we should have, on average equal dps to Wizards. We are not crying because we are no longer top dog - according to SOE there should be four top dps classes - Wizards/Warlocks/Rangers/Assassins - we're merely pointing out that as the revamp currently stands we're nowhere near the other 3. Ultimately you can gloat all you want, but unless both Wizards and Warlocks realise that EQUALITY is what we need, eventually SOE will do their now patented flip-flop of the classes and then you'll be the one 'crying a river', so enjoy it while it lasts. Message Edited by Magiocracy on 08-23-2005 10:57 PM __________________

08-24-2005, 02:01 AM	#19
adamflanagan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 476	Magiocracy wrote: papabear005 wrote: It's funny hearing a Wizard complaining about someone else whining given what the rest of us have listened to over the past 10 months or so - if you bother to do the math you'll see that Wizard single target dps is now at least 40-50% ahead of Warlocks. And don't give me any rubbish about Warlock's AoE dps making up for it - 80-90% of the game is single targets. Being ahead in 10-20% of encounters does not make the classes equal like they should be. __________________________________________________ ______________________________ you dont raid, do you? if you did, please please tell me which epic encounter is single target only. enlighten me. show me with your magical numbers how i raid 6 nights a week and almost never see a solo epic encounter. show me with your % thingys that even if you only had one mob, no adds will come and you have to ae them down. i dont complain, i just state facts. fact is: warlocks stayed the same, all other mages went up in dps, now you and many other warlocks are pisssed that your no longer top dog. go cry me a river. AoE is only any use when you can use it without getting aggro and yes, I've got news for you - raiding is not the only part of the game so take your condescending attitude and shove it where the sun don't shine. Warlocks are [Removed for Content] because we should have, on average equal dps to Wizards. We are not crying because we are no longer top dog - according to SOE there should be four top dps classes - Wizards/Warlocks/Rangers/Assassins - we're merely pointing out that as the revamp currently stands we're nowhere near the other 3. Ultimately you can gloat all you want, but unless both Wizards and Warlocks realise that EQUALITY is what we need, eventually SOE will do their now patented flip-flop of the classes and then you'll be the one 'crying a river', so enjoy it while it lasts. Message Edited by Magiocracy on 08-23-200510:57 PM i dont know wheather you've noticed but wizards have been asking for equality for MONTHS now.Also... raiding is pretty much the only thing to do at 50.

08-24-2005, 02:03 AM	#20
Magiocracy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 481	Dagath wrote: All I ahve to say is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA And this is not aimed at the Warlocks or the Wizards, but at Sony. ARe you freaking kidding me? Most wizards have been askign for a boost for a while. Not only do we get boosted, but in that process, you take our counterparts, and destroy their dps, post 50. Why? Is it intentional? do you not want Wizards and Warlocks to get along? This is just stupid, We finally get our boost, only to now see Warlocks drop way behind. Why can we not be roughly equal. I just don't get it. Sorcerers give up a lot to be able to nuke. No CC. No Melee. No Armor. Just pure unadulterated nuking. The classes need to be equal but seperate. It seems like it isn't that hard to do. One is based off of elements, the other off of natural. One is AOE king, ond is DD. So you go and give Wizards teh big nukes. Great we are happy. Then you give us a spell equal to their AOE. Ummm Okay. but what do the Warlocks get? Nice to see we will have a few more months of squabbling between us. EQUALIZE the classes. Hear hear, nice to see someone here grasps what's going on. __________________

08-24-2005, 02:10 AM	#21
Magiocracy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 481	adamflanagan wrote: i dont know wheather you've noticed but wizards have been asking for equality for MONTHS now.Also... raiding is pretty much the only thing to do at 50. Yes, and I don't disagree for a minute that up until now Warlock dps was silly compared to other classes, particularly Wizards. Wizards badly need an upgrade and it does appear you've gotton it. But it's exactly because Wizards have spent 10 months or so waiting to get the dps they should have had in the first place that you should understand that Warlocks aren't particularly happy at the prospect of waiting 10 months after this revamp before SOE get around to fixing our now inferior dps. __________________

08-24-2005, 03:04 AM	#22
MilkToa General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 490	Dagath wrote: All I ahve to say is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHA And this is not aimed at the Warlocks or the Wizards, but at Sony. ARe you freaking kidding me? Most wizards have been askign for a boost for a while. Not only do we get boosted, but in that process, you take our counterparts, and destroy their dps, post 50. Why? Is it intentional? do you not want Wizards and Warlocks to get along? This is just stupid, We finally get our boost, only to now see Warlocks drop way behind. Why can we not be roughly equal. I just don't get it. Sorcerers give up a lot to be able to nuke. No CC. No Melee. No Armor. Just pure unadulterated nuking. The classes need to be equal but seperate. It seems like it isn't that hard to do. One is based off of elements, the other off of natural. One is AOE king, ond is DD. So you go and give Wizards teh big nukes. Great we are happy. Then you give us a spell equal to their AOE. Ummm Okay. but what do the Warlocks get? Nice to see we will have a few more months of squabbling between us. EQUALIZE the classes. No squabbling from this warlock, I'm glad to see wizards get some good nukes and just hope they aren't all resisted on epic mobs. SOE described a warlock as poison and disease based version of a wizard and that's what I want to be. I don't want to be a specialist in AOE and I sure as hell don't want to be a DOT class. I knew when I scribed my master 1 of Nil Distortion at level 37 that it was too good to be true and when that master 1 of Devastation dropped in the heroic arena I was living on borrowed time, I guess SOE's going to make sure I was right.

08-24-2005, 05:38 AM	#23
Daga Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 87	MilkToast wrote: No squabbling from this warlock, I'm glad to see wizards get some good nukes and just hope they aren't all resisted on epic mobs. SOE described a warlock as poison and disease based version of a wizard and that's what I want to be. I don't want to be a specialist in AOE and I sure as hell don't want to be a DOT class. I knew when I scribed my master 1 of Nil Distortion at level 37 that it was too good to be true and when that master 1 of Devastation dropped in the heroic arena I was living on borrowed time, I guess SOE's going to make sure I was right. Specialist in AOE, no. But better at it than us, sure. And I felt the same with Ring of Cold. The nerf bat was just waiting to be swung and as much as I liked the spell, I knew how overpowered it was. And yeah, all this DD power will mean exactly squat, if raids still resist everything I throw at it. Either way, I'm not happy to see Warlocks NOT get something really good, like Wizards did. __________________ In memory of Grollerdabard

08-24-2005, 11:05 AM	#24
Lady Uaelr General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 476	This makes no sense and SOE does not get it. Warlocks are not supposed to be only AE specialists...they should also be experts in dd but poison based while wizards are elemental based. This is so ridiculous already. Does anyone have a address or a phone so we can request a community conference call. Wizards and Warlocks should be AE and DD specialists but based on the source of their powers. Any other game on the market does not do this. Please tell me for instance why would a Warlock with powers based in poison and disease automatically have to be more effective with AE targets??? Or why would a Wizard with powers based in the elements be specialized in direct damage?? This does not make sense......if SOE is having a difficult time figuring this out then they should ask the community for help. Seems to me that a high level wizard should be able to summon a hail storm on various opponents as well as call down a devastating comet on to an attacker and be just as deadly. By the same token, a high level warlock should be able to disease and infestate a group of attackers and deliver a deadly poison just as effectively as the wizard. Both classes should be equally as deadly..........the only difference should be the origin of their powers. Some people like myself feel that being a warlock is too evil and unleashing poison and disease is not appealing. Therefore, there is the option to be a caster that can do a similar amount of damage but through the use of manipulating the elements. The only difference between these two classes is the where their power comes from. SOE does not have to make them totally equal they should both have advantages over each other. I though the idea of wizards being more proficient in mana tranfers and having the evac was great while warlocks had amazing group buffs and power drains. Think about it.

08-24-2005, 01:19 PM	#25
Eina Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	Pretty agree to Lady upstair, I choose wizards over warlock when starting is not bcos I know 1 is dd master, 1 is aoe master. It is bcos wizzy and warlock concentrate on diff damage based spells, and I would like to be more "positive", so I choose wizzy over warlock. I think even the handbook, guidebook all didnt mention warlock will be aoe master at all, and no one tell me wizzy will be only dd master and their spells will get greatly "resist,immune" in raid at all !! However, I guess right now, those devs have a mind set that force every class fall into a "specific" role from dev's mind, I guess we only can adapt it

08-24-2005, 07:29 PM	#26
MilkToa General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 490	Eina wrote: Pretty agree to Lady upstair, I choose wizards over warlock when starting is not bcos I know 1 is dd master, 1 is aoe master. It is bcos wizzy and warlock concentrate on diff damage based spells, and I would like to be more "positive", so I choose wizzy over warlock. I think even the handbook, guidebook all didnt mention warlock will be aoe master at all, and no one tell me wizzy will be only dd master and their spells will get greatly "resist,immune" in raid at all !! However, I guess right now, those devs have a mind set that force every class fall into a "specific" role from dev's mind, I guess we only can adapt it They aren't trying to turn warlocks into a AE class, if you look at the new spells from 51 to 60, they're trying to turn them into DOT class (which is much worse).

08-24-2005, 09:25 PM	#27
Tar~Palantir Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 328	Now warlocks have gone from gods to very powerful mortals. Deal with it. I will enjoy my wizardly supremacy as long as it lasts. __________________ Echoes of Fadywer: Finally an expansion that doesn't create a rat race for max level.

08-24-2005, 09:44 PM	#28
MilkToa General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 490	Tar~Palantir wrote: Now warlocks have gone from gods to very powerful mortals. Deal with it. I will enjoy my wizardly supremacy as long as it lasts. I've always empathized with the wizard's problems and supported their calls for fixing the class in spite of malcontents like you. It ashame that you cannot understand that non-functional classes are bad for the game whether it's the class you play or not. I'm just glad you aren't a blight on the warlock class. I just hope someday when you growup you learn something about the concept of compassion. Message Edited by MilkToast on 08-24-2005 10:44 AM

08-24-2005, 11:31 PM	#29
Myzyri Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 18	Gratz T-Pal....Im gonna screen shot those words and I HOPE with all that I am that some day you have to eat those words. [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]

08-24-2005, 11:37 PM	#30
Thuagb General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 44	Tal thats just sad man , get a helmet ! __________________ Everfrost server