Wizards VS Warlocks view from a well build Wizard

Balbaro · 04-03-2005, 01:51 PM

Hello everyone ,

I got to say warlocks do more damage than wizards but its all in matters of the lvl of the skill , i can tell you a wizard with decent masters is very deadly, like my ice comet i dish more damage than any warlock on my server actually, the problem with the raids mobs that are completely immune to ice also iritate me alot but some classe is even worse like for exemple when u kill darathar scouts are useless SMILEY

im glad i still can own him with ice based spells... thought they need to do something about immunitys that just stupid make a huge decrease in the spell damage is fine but zero damage is lame... as far as the utilitys goes im glad wizard have great power feeding and recovering spells i got master painful meditation and master vital flow and i can say i NEVER miss power even without insight or clarity, i dont always like feeding but hey im useful in raids and vital in alot of ocassions , i wouldnt mind having the dps of wiz increase but personaly i would own too much hehe, thought i cant solo crap hehe but hey im glad with all the spells and tools i have i feel like im dishing massive damage on mobs still , thought wizards aoe never was the same since the mega nerf that the only side we suck bad but hey that the only place SMILEY

who need insight ? certainly not me wizards rocks ! cant wait to get more hp regen in combat items SMILEY

Ragnor 50 Wizard

Kilticor Server

P.S new lvl 35 melee skills suck from bloodlines i lost my first place in magic damage SMILEY

The-Plethora · 04-03-2005, 03:52 PM

Ice comet master? how much did that set you back?. At the moment I have a decent amount of cash but there are no spells that I feel I really need at level 39 or just ones I cant find. Pretty much the only masters I have seen on my server (oggok) are ice spike and teather (over 1 plat). I still havent ventured into adept 3s and pretty much every skill I have is adept 1 (apart from immolation which I cant find anywhere). I know adept 3s are better but you can get an adept 1 for about 2 gold on my server and an adept 3 for 30! which I think is a bit steep and some people are trying to sell things like accord for that. Since I got immolation I find I can tear through most things with immolation, bloodlines ice spell, ball of fire, Westfends, blazing intimation and ice coil so I am a happy wiz right now but up until level 37 with BOF I found it a bit of a struggle at times. At the brokers I search for spells that I am going to get later like ice comet but havent found even an apprentice 2 for sale yet (maybe its too highly prised and sold person to person intead?)

Balbaro · 04-04-2005, 12:59 AM

Hello again to answer the post before me, i got my ice comet spell way way back then in december , when lvl 50 adepts/masters used to drop off non raid epic encounters , now that changed it so getting a 50 master is even rarer sadly all others masters are relativly uncommon i saw alot of them but werent fast enough to buy them off broker hehe SMILEY

Ra gnor 50 Wizard

Kiliticor Server

Ranvi · 04-05-2005, 08:18 AM

Kithicor really must have some pitifully inept warlocks.

kjam · 04-06-2005, 02:08 AM

Heh, 50 warlock here. On a single mob, we are pretty close. You have a 3.5 Nuke. We have a 3.2 Dot thats AE =) Also have Nil that is about 1800 on average and 2 other DD's to follow for 600-800, 3 Dots.. blaw blaw cause these 2 DD's recharge fast so I dont dot often other than Devistation. So on 1 mob you might have us licked (real close). But when it comes to more than 1 mob. You wizards get your [Removed for Content] handed to you every time. I have that 3.2k AE dot, with 2 AE DD's for 400 with a 150 dammage follow up dot, and a AE stun that works on epic mobs. On 1 big mob.. close fight.. when it comes to groups.. we take the cheese =)

4 mob group. Devistation+2 AE nukes is about 16000 damage with 3 spells.

I still have Ecav envy =)

Ranvi · 04-06-2005, 10:32 AM

My Devastation itself is 16k by itself...wish I had master 1 nil distortion though...ah well.

There are so MANY wizards too...warlocks are much rarer and kick *$%#&!.

Don't really see any remedy either...increasing dmg from IC to 5k still won't make a wizard parse 750...won't even break 500 dps.

Balbaro · 04-06-2005, 12:07 PM

Hello guys Ragnor, i have no choice to admit u guys own in killing groups of no arrows encouter they suffer bad hehe, i think its prolly why warlocks does more damage than wizards in my opinion , having said that would be fun to have ice comet damage upgraded even thought my ice comet is master and does 4.5k hits... what i think is they made a huge mistake nerfing wizard aoe way back then when they tried to stop the 5 wiz 1 healer groups farmers, In my view 5 warlock with devastation and a healer own anything in this game beside the raid mobs lol and its far more devasting that thoses weak nerfed and bugged aoe spells of the wizard especially when mobs have better resist on fire than poison/disease in fact i dont know alot of mobs which resist the poison/disease spells of the warlock if they wanna change something make fire and ice spells work on more mobs, alot of raid mobs have thoses immunities and not warlocks line of spells SMILEY Having said that im sure on single encounter i would dish more damage than a warlock because of my IC master if and only if the mob is not resistant or immune which sucks SMILEY

Ragnor lvl 50 Wizard Kilticor server

Ennis · 04-09-2005, 12:52 PM

In the beginning of the game all plat farming/bot accounts consisted of groups containing a tank, a cleric and 4 wizzies. At that time instead of banning the bot accounts they just squished the Wizard class into almost extinction with their nerfing to try to stop botters. So the botters "retired" their Wizzies and just leveled up a bunch of Warlocks.Now they are into the second wave of platfarming bot accounts with groups that consist of tank/cleric/4 warlocks. But SoE seems to have learned their lesson. Instead of nefing a whole class into almost extinction as they did with Wizards they are actually BANNING the accounts. Now, that will not stop them from starting all over so I suspect some big changes coming for Warlocks. I would suspect that in the next 60 days you will find that mobs are much MORE resistant to poi/dis damage. Why do I think that? Because it is a way of "nerfing" Warlock damage to be more in line with Wizard damage without nerfing spells like they did to the Wizards in the first round of botting. It is a way to do it without it being "noticible" as having a recast timer go from 3 sec to 30 sec. In fact I suspect that this has already started. Am sure you have all heard about the plague and seen all the dead and diseased mobs all over Norrath. As in real life the mobs who survive will have a greater immune system. Just remember that they nerfed Wizards SO badly they had to do a major correction in case you have forgotten. This is a way to "nerf" Warlocks and they can't do a dang thing about it because it can all be easily explained away.It has always been SoE's stated objective with Wizards/Warlocks is that they do similar amouots of damage but use different means to do so. Wizard=Fire/Ice/Magic Warlock=Poison/Disease

Message Edited by Ennis on 04-09-2005 04:00 AM

Message Edited by Ennis on 04-09-2005 04:04 AM

Ennis · 04-09-2005, 01:06 PM

Ranvier wrote:
My Devastation itself is 16k by itself...wish I had master 1 nil distortion though...ah well.

There are so MANY wizards too...warlocks are much rarer and kick *$%#&!.

Don't really see any remedy either...increasing dmg from IC to 5k still won't make a wizard parse 750...won't even break 500 dps.

Would imagine you will see that in the next expansion. Wizards get a couple new BIG nukes while you get some uber mana pumping spell and a new frog pet.

Lady Uaelr · 04-11-2005, 09:53 PM

That is really sad that inorder to do amazing damage a wizard needs to find a master spell.

I was under the impression that master spells are one per server---is that right?

If so, how is ice comet adept 3?

Ironcleaver · 04-11-2005, 10:25 PM

Wizards use to be popluar. As a solo Wizard, when out hunting I use to see plenty of wizards. Over the pass month or so, things ahve changed a lot. People are still saying Warlocks are rare, but their the most common type of "mage" caster I've seen. Wizards are becoming the rare class as everyones jumping ship and heading over the the flavor of the month, Warlocks. Warlocks, as a class are great, hence why people are flocking to them; I'm not going to be giving my Wizard up for one though. but again, I can only judge from what Ive seen when out soloing, nothing more. I know I don't know the whole truth as, to me anyway, it seems to take the warlock class a deacent amount of time to kill the same think as it dose me. Although that could just be someone that dosn't know their class well. My speed record was a level 34 turtle in EL, dead in 18 seconds (as a level 30 wizard). I openly admit I got lucky and there were no resists. The warlock that was soloing there took twice as long. again, just my humbled obversation, nothing more. Warlocks are awesome when it comes to multiple mobs, hopefuly SoE will return the Wizards AoE's to thir full power again. As of right now it's a wasted line of spells and it's not even worht having them on my characters hot bar.

Lady Uaelr · 04-11-2005, 10:34 PM

Ironcleaver wrote:
Wizards use to be popluar. As a solo Wizard, when out hunting I use to see plenty of wizards. Over the pass month or so, things ahve changed a lot. People are still saying Warlocks are rare, but their the most common type of "mage" caster I've seen.

Wizards are becoming the rare class as everyones jumping ship and heading over the the flavor of the month, Warlocks. Warlocks, as a class are great, hence why people are flocking to them; I'm not going to be giving my Wizard up for one though.

but again, I can only judge from what Ive seen when out soloing, nothing more. I know I don't know the whole truth as, to me anyway, it seems to take the warlock class a deacent amount of time to kill the same think as it dose me. Although that could just be someone that dosn't know their class well.

My speed record was a level 34 turtle in EL, dead in 18 seconds (as a level 30 wizard). I openly admit I got lucky and there were no resists. The warlock that was soloing there took twice as long.

again, just my humbled obversation, nothing more.

Warlocks are awesome when it comes to multiple mobs, hopefuly SoE will return the Wizards AoE's to thir full power again. As of right now it's a wasted line of spells and it's not even worht having them on my characters hot bar.

Well....I am 45 now going on 46. It has been a struggle but I totally agree with you. I think everyone that is focusing on warlocks needs to stop.

Wizards should just stick to their character and hold on something is bound to happen.

I thought about re-rolling but spending another 38 days to get to 45.5 with another charcter and go through all the researching, looking for adepts, looking for gear, getting experience is not easy and takes alot of effort.

I must say it has been a pain but in a fun way. It seems you are always trying to figure out how to make your character better and more effective.

If our spells just worked coerrectly I would be happy with that.

adamflanagan · 04-12-2005, 01:00 AM

Lady Uaelrea wrote:
That is really sad that inorder to do amazing damage a wizard needs to find a master spell.

I was under the impression that master spells are one per server---is that right?

If so, how is ice comet adept 3?

master 1 spells arent limited per server (as far as i know) they are usually only dropped from raid mobs. master 4 spells are limited to a few per server, or at least thats what we've been told, i dont think any have been discovered yet though.

adamflanagan · 04-12-2005, 01:03 AM

Lady Uaelrea wrote:

Ironcleaver wrote:Wizards use to be popluar. As a solo Wizard, when out hunting I use to see plenty of wizards. Over the pass month or so, things ahve changed a lot. People are still saying Warlocks are rare, but their the most common type of "mage" caster I've seen.Wizards are becoming the rare class as everyones jumping ship and heading over the the flavor of the month, Warlocks. Warlocks, as a class are great, hence why people are flocking to them; I'm not going to be giving my Wizard up for one though.but again, I can only judge from what Ive seen when out soloing, nothing more. I know I don't know the whole truth as, to me anyway, it seems to take the warlock class a deacent amount of time to kill the same think as it dose me. Although that could just be someone that dosn't know their class well.My speed record was a level 34 turtle in EL, dead in 18 seconds (as a level 30 wizard). I openly admit I got lucky and there were no resists. The warlock that was soloing there took twice as long.again, just my humbled obversation, nothing more.Warlocks are awesome when it comes to multiple mobs, hopefuly SoE will return the Wizards AoE's to thir full power again. As of right now it's a wasted line of spells and it's not even worht having them on my characters hot bar.

Well....I am 45 now going on 46. It has been a struggle but I totally agree with you. I think everyone that is focusing on warlocks needs to stop.

Wizards should just stick to their character and hold on something is bound to happen.

I thought about re-rolling but spending another 38 days to get to 45.5 with another charcter and go through all the researching, looking for adepts, looking for gear, getting experience is not easy and takes alot of effort.

I must say it has been a pain but in a fun way. It seems you are always trying to figure out how to make your character better and more effective.

If our spells just worked coerrectly I would be happy with that.

/agree wizards are crap compared to warlocks AT THE MOMENT, im very sure it will be sorted though. im just being patient as im sure it takes a long time to adjust spells/resistances for 1 class let alone 24 classes.

Message Edited by adamflanagan on 04-11-2005 10:04 PM

Lady Uaelr · 04-12-2005, 01:11 AM

We just have to be patient.......if our spells worked correctly we will be in great shape.

I am excited about protoflame.....also, I recommend at low levels to have a list of your higher level spells and buy them.

Looks like we only need to do 4 adept 3 spells.

Ice Flame, Icy Coil, Ball of Flames ( not Fire), Ice Comet.

Try to get adept everything else.

Iam having a hard time finding adept mail of frost and ring of cold..=(

adamflanagan · 04-12-2005, 01:23 AM

im only 38 but from what ive heard immolation is worth getting at adept3. its sitting in my bag now ready to be scribed.

Soulcr · 04-12-2005, 02:40 AM

Do ya'll think that wizards will be buffed or warlocks will be nerfed? I'm currently rolling up a mage hes only 17 rightnow but i got the choice coming up. I want a warlock just cause i've always favored poison and disease damage over fire and ice as it seems more devastating, but if i don't want to become a warlock just to get nerfed as bad as the wizards got it.

Ironcleaver · 04-12-2005, 04:03 AM

Soulcrow wrote:Do ya'll think that wizards will be buffed or warlocks will be nerfed? I'm currently rolling up a mage hes only 17 rightnow but i got the choice coming up. I want a warlock just cause i've always favored poison and disease damage over fire and ice as it seems more devastating, but if i don't want to become a warlock just to get nerfed as bad as the wizards got it.

Above all, play what you enjoy. Although, I do forsee a lot of balancing coming to both the Wizard and the Warlock classes. Then theres the future. Like, what's going to happen when the level cap is raised with expantions and maybe, possably, the Wizard gets some really nice spells, or what if the Warlock dosen't get as good of spells. This is all unforseen, so I'm going to stick it out as a Wizard, we never know what the futute will hold. If you enjoy poisons and diseases, buy all means, the warlock is a great class. If you worried about future changes, all I can say, is that something will happen. What that something is though, we just don't know. :-/

adamflanagan · 04-12-2005, 04:04 AM

i would think they would increase the number of poison/disease resistant MOBs relative to ice/fire resistant MOBs and slightly buff the wizard. i dont think they will nerf warlocks that much, maybe increase recast timers on some things.

Ironcleaver · 04-12-2005, 04:43 AM

I agree, like in eq1, fire and ice spells seem to get resisted quite a bit, where as poisons and diseases are not, or not as much. If I were to expect a change of any kind, my personal view is that the poison and disease resistances of mobs will be increased, along with a few of the wizard spells being looked at; hopefully being fixed, balanced, repaired, what have you. Hopefully the Devs will return our AoE's to thier full power once again SMILEY

Lady Uaelr · 04-12-2005, 06:28 AM

Please if any warlocks are reading this or anyone that is responsible in making changes to classes DO NOT NERF WARLOCKS.....Wizards do not want that I can assure you and all wizards on this board will agree.

Warlocks are great and should be left alone-- I think they have some broken spells too everyone.

All that needs to be done is get our spells working correctly and decrease ice and heat resists on high end mobs.

I don't want to be in a group knowing that my warlock counterpart is unable to damage as much as I am at least he will be able to hit when I am unable to.

Wizards just need some tweaking and buffed that's it and then we can worry about level 200.:smileywink:

04-03-2005, 01:51 PM	#1
Balbaro Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 39	Hello everyone , I got to say warlocks do more damage than wizards but its all in matters of the lvl of the skill , i can tell you a wizard with decent masters is very deadly, like my ice comet i dish more damage than any warlock on my server actually, the problem with the raids mobs that are completely immune to ice also iritate me alot but some classe is even worse like for exemple when u kill darathar scouts are useless im glad i still can own him with ice based spells... thought they need to do something about immunitys that just stupid make a huge decrease in the spell damage is fine but zero damage is lame... as far as the utilitys goes im glad wizard have great power feeding and recovering spells i got master painful meditation and master vital flow and i can say i NEVER miss power even without insight or clarity, i dont always like feeding but hey im useful in raids and vital in alot of ocassions , i wouldnt mind having the dps of wiz increase but personaly i would own too much hehe, thought i cant solo crap hehe but hey im glad with all the spells and tools i have i feel like im dishing massive damage on mobs still , thought wizards aoe never was the same since the mega nerf that the only side we suck bad but hey that the only place who need insight ? certainly not me wizards rocks ! cant wait to get more hp regen in combat items Ragnor 50 Wizard Kilticor Server P.S new lvl 35 melee skills suck from bloodlines i lost my first place in magic damage

04-04-2005, 12:59 AM	#3
Balbaro Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 39	Hello again to answer the post before me, i got my ice comet spell way way back then in december , when lvl 50 adepts/masters used to drop off non raid epic encounters , now that changed it so getting a 50 master is even rarer sadly all others masters are relativly uncommon i saw alot of them but werent fast enough to buy them off broker hehe Ra gnor 50 Wizard Kiliticor Server

04-05-2005, 08:18 AM	#4
Ranvi General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	Kithicor really must have some pitifully inept warlocks. __________________

04-06-2005, 10:32 AM	#6
Ranvi General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	My Devastation itself is 16k by itself...wish I had master 1 nil distortion though...ah well. There are so MANY wizards too...warlocks are much rarer and kick *$%#&!. Don't really see any remedy either...increasing dmg from IC to 5k still won't make a wizard parse 750...won't even break 500 dps. __________________

04-06-2005, 12:07 PM	#7
Balbaro Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 39	Hello guys Ragnor, i have no choice to admit u guys own in killing groups of no arrows encouter they suffer bad hehe, i think its prolly why warlocks does more damage than wizards in my opinion , having said that would be fun to have ice comet damage upgraded even thought my ice comet is master and does 4.5k hits... what i think is they made a huge mistake nerfing wizard aoe way back then when they tried to stop the 5 wiz 1 healer groups farmers, In my view 5 warlock with devastation and a healer own anything in this game beside the raid mobs lol and its far more devasting that thoses weak nerfed and bugged aoe spells of the wizard especially when mobs have better resist on fire than poison/disease in fact i dont know alot of mobs which resist the poison/disease spells of the warlock if they wanna change something make fire and ice spells work on more mobs, alot of raid mobs have thoses immunities and not warlocks line of spells Having said that im sure on single encounter i would dish more damage than a warlock because of my IC master if and only if the mob is not resistant or immune which sucks Ragnor lvl 50 Wizard Kilticor server

04-03-2005, 03:52 PM	#2
The-Plethora Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 173	Ice comet master? how much did that set you back?. At the moment I have a decent amount of cash but there are no spells that I feel I really need at level 39 or just ones I cant find. Pretty much the only masters I have seen on my server (oggok) are ice spike and teather (over 1 plat). I still havent ventured into adept 3s and pretty much every skill I have is adept 1 (apart from immolation which I cant find anywhere). I know adept 3s are better but you can get an adept 1 for about 2 gold on my server and an adept 3 for 30! which I think is a bit steep and some people are trying to sell things like accord for that. Since I got immolation I find I can tear through most things with immolation, bloodlines ice spell, ball of fire, Westfends, blazing intimation and ice coil so I am a happy wiz right now but up until level 37 with BOF I found it a bit of a struggle at times. At the brokers I search for spells that I am going to get later like ice comet but havent found even an apprentice 2 for sale yet (maybe its too highly prised and sold person to person intead?)

04-06-2005, 02:08 AM	#5
kjam Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 40	Heh, 50 warlock here. On a single mob, we are pretty close. You have a 3.5 Nuke. We have a 3.2 Dot thats AE =) Also have Nil that is about 1800 on average and 2 other DD's to follow for 600-800, 3 Dots.. blaw blaw cause these 2 DD's recharge fast so I dont dot often other than Devistation. So on 1 mob you might have us licked (real close). But when it comes to more than 1 mob. You wizards get your [Removed for Content] handed to you every time. I have that 3.2k AE dot, with 2 AE DD's for 400 with a 150 dammage follow up dot, and a AE stun that works on epic mobs. On 1 big mob.. close fight.. when it comes to groups.. we take the cheese =) 4 mob group. Devistation+2 AE nukes is about 16000 damage with 3 spells. I still have Ecav envy =)

04-09-2005, 12:52 PM	#8
Ennis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 137	In the beginning of the game all plat farming/bot accounts consisted of groups containing a tank, a cleric and 4 wizzies. At that time instead of banning the bot accounts they just squished the Wizard class into almost extinction with their nerfing to try to stop botters. So the botters "retired" their Wizzies and just leveled up a bunch of Warlocks.Now they are into the second wave of platfarming bot accounts with groups that consist of tank/cleric/4 warlocks. But SoE seems to have learned their lesson. Instead of nefing a whole class into almost extinction as they did with Wizards they are actually BANNING the accounts. Now, that will not stop them from starting all over so I suspect some big changes coming for Warlocks. I would suspect that in the next 60 days you will find that mobs are much MORE resistant to poi/dis damage. Why do I think that? Because it is a way of "nerfing" Warlock damage to be more in line with Wizard damage without nerfing spells like they did to the Wizards in the first round of botting. It is a way to do it without it being "noticible" as having a recast timer go from 3 sec to 30 sec. In fact I suspect that this has already started. Am sure you have all heard about the plague and seen all the dead and diseased mobs all over Norrath. As in real life the mobs who survive will have a greater immune system. Just remember that they nerfed Wizards SO badly they had to do a major correction in case you have forgotten. This is a way to "nerf" Warlocks and they can't do a dang thing about it because it can all be easily explained away.It has always been SoE's stated objective with Wizards/Warlocks is that they do similar amouots of damage but use different means to do so. Wizard=Fire/Ice/Magic Warlock=Poison/Disease Message Edited by Ennis on 04-09-2005 04:00 AM Message Edited by Ennis on 04-09-2005 04:04 AM __________________

04-09-2005, 01:06 PM	#9
Ennis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 137	Ranvier wrote: My Devastation itself is 16k by itself...wish I had master 1 nil distortion though...ah well. There are so MANY wizards too...warlocks are much rarer and kick *$%#&!. Don't really see any remedy either...increasing dmg from IC to 5k still won't make a wizard parse 750...won't even break 500 dps. Would imagine you will see that in the next expansion. Wizards get a couple new BIG nukes while you get some uber mana pumping spell and a new frog pet. __________________

04-11-2005, 09:53 PM	#10
Lady Uaelr General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 476	That is really sad that inorder to do amazing damage a wizard needs to find a master spell. I was under the impression that master spells are one per server---is that right? If so, how is ice comet adept 3?

04-11-2005, 10:25 PM	#11
Ironcleaver Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 558	Wizards use to be popluar. As a solo Wizard, when out hunting I use to see plenty of wizards. Over the pass month or so, things ahve changed a lot. People are still saying Warlocks are rare, but their the most common type of "mage" caster I've seen. Wizards are becoming the rare class as everyones jumping ship and heading over the the flavor of the month, Warlocks. Warlocks, as a class are great, hence why people are flocking to them; I'm not going to be giving my Wizard up for one though. but again, I can only judge from what Ive seen when out soloing, nothing more. I know I don't know the whole truth as, to me anyway, it seems to take the warlock class a deacent amount of time to kill the same think as it dose me. Although that could just be someone that dosn't know their class well. My speed record was a level 34 turtle in EL, dead in 18 seconds (as a level 30 wizard). I openly admit I got lucky and there were no resists. The warlock that was soloing there took twice as long. again, just my humbled obversation, nothing more. Warlocks are awesome when it comes to multiple mobs, hopefuly SoE will return the Wizards AoE's to thir full power again. As of right now it's a wasted line of spells and it's not even worht having them on my characters hot bar.

04-11-2005, 10:34 PM	#12
Lady Uaelr General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 476	Ironcleaver wrote: Wizards use to be popluar. As a solo Wizard, when out hunting I use to see plenty of wizards. Over the pass month or so, things ahve changed a lot. People are still saying Warlocks are rare, but their the most common type of "mage" caster I've seen. Wizards are becoming the rare class as everyones jumping ship and heading over the the flavor of the month, Warlocks. Warlocks, as a class are great, hence why people are flocking to them; I'm not going to be giving my Wizard up for one though. but again, I can only judge from what Ive seen when out soloing, nothing more. I know I don't know the whole truth as, to me anyway, it seems to take the warlock class a deacent amount of time to kill the same think as it dose me. Although that could just be someone that dosn't know their class well. My speed record was a level 34 turtle in EL, dead in 18 seconds (as a level 30 wizard). I openly admit I got lucky and there were no resists. The warlock that was soloing there took twice as long. again, just my humbled obversation, nothing more. Warlocks are awesome when it comes to multiple mobs, hopefuly SoE will return the Wizards AoE's to thir full power again. As of right now it's a wasted line of spells and it's not even worht having them on my characters hot bar. Well....I am 45 now going on 46. It has been a struggle but I totally agree with you. I think everyone that is focusing on warlocks needs to stop. Wizards should just stick to their character and hold on something is bound to happen. I thought about re-rolling but spending another 38 days to get to 45.5 with another charcter and go through all the researching, looking for adepts, looking for gear, getting experience is not easy and takes alot of effort. I must say it has been a pain but in a fun way. It seems you are always trying to figure out how to make your character better and more effective. If our spells just worked coerrectly I would be happy with that.

04-12-2005, 01:00 AM	#13
adamflanagan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 476	Lady Uaelrea wrote: That is really sad that inorder to do amazing damage a wizard needs to find a master spell. I was under the impression that master spells are one per server---is that right? If so, how is ice comet adept 3? master 1 spells arent limited per server (as far as i know) they are usually only dropped from raid mobs. master 4 spells are limited to a few per server, or at least thats what we've been told, i dont think any have been discovered yet though.

04-12-2005, 01:03 AM	#14
adamflanagan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 476	Lady Uaelrea wrote: Ironcleaver wrote:Wizards use to be popluar. As a solo Wizard, when out hunting I use to see plenty of wizards. Over the pass month or so, things ahve changed a lot. People are still saying Warlocks are rare, but their the most common type of "mage" caster I've seen.Wizards are becoming the rare class as everyones jumping ship and heading over the the flavor of the month, Warlocks. Warlocks, as a class are great, hence why people are flocking to them; I'm not going to be giving my Wizard up for one though.but again, I can only judge from what Ive seen when out soloing, nothing more. I know I don't know the whole truth as, to me anyway, it seems to take the warlock class a deacent amount of time to kill the same think as it dose me. Although that could just be someone that dosn't know their class well.My speed record was a level 34 turtle in EL, dead in 18 seconds (as a level 30 wizard). I openly admit I got lucky and there were no resists. The warlock that was soloing there took twice as long.again, just my humbled obversation, nothing more.Warlocks are awesome when it comes to multiple mobs, hopefuly SoE will return the Wizards AoE's to thir full power again. As of right now it's a wasted line of spells and it's not even worht having them on my characters hot bar. Well....I am 45 now going on 46. It has been a struggle but I totally agree with you. I think everyone that is focusing on warlocks needs to stop. Wizards should just stick to their character and hold on something is bound to happen. I thought about re-rolling but spending another 38 days to get to 45.5 with another charcter and go through all the researching, looking for adepts, looking for gear, getting experience is not easy and takes alot of effort. I must say it has been a pain but in a fun way. It seems you are always trying to figure out how to make your character better and more effective. If our spells just worked coerrectly I would be happy with that. /agree wizards are crap compared to warlocks AT THE MOMENT, im very sure it will be sorted though. im just being patient as im sure it takes a long time to adjust spells/resistances for 1 class let alone 24 classes. Message Edited by adamflanagan on 04-11-2005 10:04 PM

04-12-2005, 01:11 AM	#15
Lady Uaelr General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 476	We just have to be patient.......if our spells worked correctly we will be in great shape. I am excited about protoflame.....also, I recommend at low levels to have a list of your higher level spells and buy them. Looks like we only need to do 4 adept 3 spells. Ice Flame, Icy Coil, Ball of Flames ( not Fire), Ice Comet. Try to get adept everything else. Iam having a hard time finding adept mail of frost and ring of cold..=(

04-12-2005, 01:23 AM	#16
adamflanagan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 476	im only 38 but from what ive heard immolation is worth getting at adept3. its sitting in my bag now ready to be scribed.

04-12-2005, 02:40 AM	#17
Soulcr General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7	Do ya'll think that wizards will be buffed or warlocks will be nerfed? I'm currently rolling up a mage hes only 17 rightnow but i got the choice coming up. I want a warlock just cause i've always favored poison and disease damage over fire and ice as it seems more devastating, but if i don't want to become a warlock just to get nerfed as bad as the wizards got it.

04-12-2005, 04:03 AM	#18
Ironcleaver Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 558	Soulcrow wrote:Do ya'll think that wizards will be buffed or warlocks will be nerfed? I'm currently rolling up a mage hes only 17 rightnow but i got the choice coming up. I want a warlock just cause i've always favored poison and disease damage over fire and ice as it seems more devastating, but if i don't want to become a warlock just to get nerfed as bad as the wizards got it. Above all, play what you enjoy. Although, I do forsee a lot of balancing coming to both the Wizard and the Warlock classes. Then theres the future. Like, what's going to happen when the level cap is raised with expantions and maybe, possably, the Wizard gets some really nice spells, or what if the Warlock dosen't get as good of spells. This is all unforseen, so I'm going to stick it out as a Wizard, we never know what the futute will hold. If you enjoy poisons and diseases, buy all means, the warlock is a great class. If you worried about future changes, all I can say, is that something will happen. What that something is though, we just don't know. :-/

04-12-2005, 04:04 AM	#19
adamflanagan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 476	i would think they would increase the number of poison/disease resistant MOBs relative to ice/fire resistant MOBs and slightly buff the wizard. i dont think they will nerf warlocks that much, maybe increase recast timers on some things.

04-12-2005, 04:43 AM	#20
Ironcleaver Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 558	I agree, like in eq1, fire and ice spells seem to get resisted quite a bit, where as poisons and diseases are not, or not as much. If I were to expect a change of any kind, my personal view is that the poison and disease resistances of mobs will be increased, along with a few of the wizard spells being looked at; hopefully being fixed, balanced, repaired, what have you. Hopefully the Devs will return our AoE's to thier full power once again

04-12-2005, 06:28 AM	#21
Lady Uaelr General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 476	Please if any warlocks are reading this or anyone that is responsible in making changes to classes DO NOT NERF WARLOCKS.....Wizards do not want that I can assure you and all wizards on this board will agree. Warlocks are great and should be left alone-- I think they have some broken spells too everyone. All that needs to be done is get our spells working correctly and decrease ice and heat resists on high end mobs. I don't want to be in a group knowing that my warlock counterpart is unable to damage as much as I am at least he will be able to hit when I am unable to. Wizards just need some tweaking and buffed that's it and then we can worry about level 200.:smileywink: