Smite Evil ftw

[Anariale]

<DIV>Ok, Smite Evil rocks... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Discuss</DIV>

[Kaleyen]

Broken in PvP specially for exiled Paladins FTL! <div></div>

[Anariale]

<P>Exiled was designed to have massive drawbacks so that players would sit in either Freeport or Qeynos...</P> <P> </P> <P>Still, when Smite Evil does like 20-30% of my total damage on AE fights, parsing 1600-2000 DPS... DREAMY!</P>

[Kaleyen]

<blockquote><hr>Anariale wrote:<div></div> <p>Exiled was designed to have massive drawbacks so that players would sit in either Freeport or Qeynos... </p><hr></blockquote>And trust me, it does have it's drawbacks, however with GU31 changing this spell it's just crazy IMO. My alignment shouldn't matter when it comes to a class specific end aa line ability, I'm still a Paladin.<div></div>

[Rast]

what is this change???

[Kaleyen]

The change effects the PvP servers, and I'm beginning to think I'm the only Exiled Paladin.  They're changing the spell so it will only effect non-Qeynos factions instead of depending on the class of the character.  Of which I'm fighting tooth and nail for over on the PvP discussion. <div></div>

[Rast]

how does that effect the intent of the ability though?

[Kaleyen]

Go read my thread over there...tons of info and I don't want to make this thread into my debate thread...already have one of those! <div></div>

[Anariale]

<DIV>Basically youre saying that in PvP you want YOUR smite evil to work on everyone, while other Paladins only have theirs work on Exiles and Freeport.  There is no nerf here.  Your Smite Evil will work the same as a Paladin from Qeynos's Smite Evil.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Deal with it</DIV>

[Kaleyen]

<blockquote><hr>Anariale wrote:<div>Basically youre saying that in PvP you want YOUR smite evil to work on everyone, while other Paladins only have theirs work on Exiles and Freeport.  There is no nerf here.  Your Smite Evil will work the same as a Paladin from Qeynos's Smite Evil.</div> <div> </div> <div>Deal with it</div><hr></blockquote>That's not what I'm saying at all. Maybe you should actually read the thread instead of making assumptions as to what I want and don't want.<div></div>

[Anariale]

<DIV>You want it so that you damage people who arent of your own faction...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Currently, there are 3 factions:</DIV> <DIV>Qeynos (Large # of people)</DIV> <DIV>Exile (Small # of people)</DIV> <DIV>Freeport (Medium # of people)</DIV> <DIV>(I could be a bit off on #'s, but from what Ive seen/read, thats roughly how it is)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For a Qeynos Paladin, Smite Evil works on Exiles and Freeport.</DIV> <DIV>For an Exile Paladin, Smite Evil works on Exiles and Freeport.</DIV> <DIV>You're asking them to change it so that for an Exile Paladin, Smite Evil works on Qeynos and Freeport.</DIV> <DIV>Note, that in PvP, as an Exile, you still fight other Exiles.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, basically you're asking them to change it so that an Exile's Smite Evil affects a larger % of the population base than a Qeynos's Smite Evil.  Right now you both get literally the same benefit of the ability.  You're asking to get a larger slice of the pie.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thus, you want to have your cake, and eat it too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>W</DIV><p>Message Edited by Anariale on <span class=date_text>01-19-2007</span> <span class=time_text>11:47 AM</span>

[Rast]

<P>no, I see what he is saying.</P> <P>If this change goes through, he himself could be hit with this from another paladin, but he then could not retaliate back.  It is taking a phantom faction into account and in effect not considering him a paladin anymore.</P> <P>Personally, I can come up with several ways a paladin might have left the Qeynosian alignment behind for freedom to act against freeport.</P> <P>I think a better fix would be a cross combination of what it is now + an alignment check.  So instead of just the alignment (which doesn't make sense to me) it would first check alignment (non good), then checks class (Paladin, non usable).  So with that, a warden who is qeynosian aligned couldn't be attacked, but could if they are neutral or evil.  But at the same time an exiled paladin can't be because of their class.</P>

[Anariale]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Raston wrote:<BR> <P>no, I see what he is saying.</P> <P>If this change goes through, he himself could be hit with this from another paladin, but he then could not retaliate back.  It is taking a phantom faction into account and in effect not considering him a paladin anymore.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>And he could hit him back with 70%+ DPS Mod from a Coercer, have the HP buffs of a Defiler and have a Brigand Dispatch that Paladin... all at the same time as getting the benefits of Bolster from a Shaman and Sanctuary from a Templar and having a Swashy debuff the crap out of the Paladin's offensive skills.</P> <P>Yeah, being hit by one spell from a Paladin who doesnt betray is hardly a comparison to all of that.  A Paladin who betrayed the good queen is no longer "good".  Since Smite Evil hits all neutral/evil classes, Id argue that an Exiled Paladin falls into that Neutral category... so deal with it.</P> <P>W<BR></P><p>Message Edited by Anariale on <span class=date_text>01-19-2007</span> <span class=time_text>12:10 PM</span>

[Rast]

personally, I'm against the ability of evil and good characters grouping at all for PvP servers (not that I play on them, but the whole thought of it annoys me, like it did in Shadowbane), even in exile.  So if they eliminated that fact, then it would be irrelevant <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Rast]

<DIV>also, I have my doubts about Antonia being a 'good queen' <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  But then, I'm a Teir'dal paladin, I think all humans are...  well, they aren't teir'dal <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Marcula]

<DIV>No Queen bashing on the Paladin forums! She is good...........reeeaalllll good!! :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P>Wanderingwilly - Paladin of the 61st order of merit</P> <P>                        - Armorer of the 65 apprenticeship level</P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00 size=1>PS - She wears nothing under her dress......true story</FONT></P></DIV>

[Rast]

She is still a human, that puts her up with the rest of you lessors perhaps, but again, she is no teir'dal <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Marcula]

<P>I<FONT color=#6633ff> am the only PvP Ratonga Paladin on Venekor <FONT size=1>(The two below 20 do not count).</FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#6633ff>Acknowledge my greatness or I shall gnaw on your horses legs.</FONT></P> <P>Wanderingwilly - Paladin of the 61st order of merit</P> <P>                         - Armorer of the 65 apprenticeship level</P>

[Rast]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Marcula wrote:<BR> <P>I<FONT color=#6633ff> am the only PvP Ratonga Paladin on Venekor <FONT size=1>(The two below 20 do not count).</FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#6633ff>Acknowledge my greatness or I shall gnaw on your horses legs.</FONT></P> <P>Wanderingwilly - Paladin of the 61st order of merit</P> <P>                         - Armorer of the 65 apprenticeship level</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>try it and I shall be forced to have her kick...  she gets a little...  antsy around rats <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>

[lavasoul]

<DIV>Can't wait for this fix to be out so I can finally hit my enemies again.</DIV>