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hawsecav19d
01-19-2007, 07:54 AM
<DIV>When setting up your MT groups healers I think Defiler and Warden are a given but who do you chose between the clerics the Templar or the Inq? Who will buff you better for hps and who has the better reactives buffs? I like to have [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]/Dirge/Defiler/Warden/Pal but have not had much MT experience so which one of the clerics will suit this group more? </DIV>

Kaleyen
01-19-2007, 08:06 AM
Defiler, Warden, Templar for MT group healers.<div></div>

MeridianR
01-19-2007, 10:18 AM
Templar, less you don't have one then an Inquis could be sub'd....but Inquis are better off in a dps group.   <div></div>

Boli32
01-19-2007, 03:39 PM
<div></div>Templar+defiler give the bets +hit point buff out of all the combinations... many say warden for MT group as well but you CAN do it very well wih a fury. Above all though if you are runnign a 3 healer MT group you want one of each tye in the group. Cleric, Shammy, Druid. <div></div><p>Message Edited by boli on <span class=date_text>01-19-2007</span> <span class=time_text>10:40 AM</span>

redi
01-19-2007, 03:46 PM
think we're better of with agi and int from fury<div></div>

MeridianR
01-19-2007, 06:14 PM
<div><blockquote><hr>redict wrote:think we're better of with agi and int from fury<div></div><hr></blockquote>Wardens are much better in the MT group, and Furys' along with Inquis belong in DPS groups if you have a Warden / Templar.</div>

Anariale
01-19-2007, 08:04 PM
<P>Druids bring very little to a MT group that they couldnt do from another group on the raid.</P> <P>Not to mention by bringing in a 3rd healer, you have to give up something else in the MT group.</P> <P>Guardian<BR>Paladin<BR>Dirge<BR>Coercer<BR>Templar<BR>Defiler</P> <P>Dont sell short the Avoidance buff that tanks get.  Furthermore, since Paladins can get such high Block% due to Adornments and AA's, it really adds up on avoidance for the MT.  Sure, you lose out on Spores and any group-heals a Warden has... but thats really about it.</P> <P>W</P>

MeridianR
01-19-2007, 08:15 PM
We prefer Wardens for mainly the higher end mobs (Mayong, some EH stuff, D'Morte, etc)....for other stuff it's normally:GuardianDefilerTemplarDirgeSwashieRandomC lass01<div></div>

Anariale
01-19-2007, 08:23 PM
<DIV>Optimally, Id still rather have a Dirge + Coercer in the MT group...</DIV> <DIV>Realistically, we are running a lot with a Swashy or Assassin in the MT group instead of the Coercer since we just dont have 2 Dirges and need regen for all 4 groups.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Still, as Phov said, on higher end mobs, we typically go with the 3 healers in the MT group... its just that the majority of encounters simply do not warrant it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>W</DIV>

MeridianR
01-19-2007, 08:26 PM
We have 1 of each chanter atm (Illusionist is normally with a dps group, Coercer normally in MT group if we don't use the 3 healer setup....normally), but are stacked on bards...lolLook at our roster, I think we at any 1 time could have 4 L70 Dirges...LOL (Rawk, Beets, Lilanil, Domackin), and 2 Troubs (Devitalize and Snackages).Of course 2 of the dirges and 1 of the troubs are alts, but meh <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

TheBu
01-20-2007, 12:46 AM
<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Anariale wrote:<BR> <P>Druids bring very little to a MT group that they couldnt do from another group on the raid.</P> <P>Not to mention by bringing in a 3rd healer, you have to give up something else in the MT group.</P> <P>Guardian<BR>Paladin<BR>Dirge<BR>Coercer<BR>Templar<BR>Defiler</P> <P>Dont sell short the Avoidance buff that tanks get.  Furthermore, since Paladins can get such high Block% due to Adornments and AA's, it really adds up on avoidance for the MT.  Sure, you lose out on Spores and any group-heals a Warden has... but thats really about it.</P> <P>W</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>U said something about the "Avoidance buff that tanks get"   you talking about the lvl 60 spell Resolute Faith that give a additional 54% chance to avoid using our avoidance?<BR></P> <P>I think i have seen this spell used wher the mt took so much less damage.  back then the sk had like over 70% purhaps close to 80% avoidance...</P> <P>I was never able to get them to try it out in our guild... i would think it would help so much.</P> <P>Anyone out ther have a pally or sk in the MT group, using the Resolute Faith on the mt? </P>

khufure
01-20-2007, 02:58 AM
Dedicated curer/MT group healer (druid) just seems to win out over buff tank, at least for us.  However, in some tough single target fights we have been running Guardian/Defiler/Templar/Warden/Dirge/SK and it really seems to help keep the tank up.  We only run this when we have lots of utility to reduce aggro problems.We like fury in the zerker tank group.  Agitate procs like crazy on berzerkers.  We have the dirge in that group cast + melee skills on the zerker to compensate for the loss of the warden buff.  Zerker/Mystic/Dirge/Fury and 2 of Conj/Crusader/Illu/Coercer/Scout with hate transfer is how we set that group up.<div></div>