Amends fix

[Seomon]

<DIV>No mention of it in the update notes, but it could still be there. Anyone in and have a chance to test it? It's easy to test. Have a Wizzy put their hate trans on you, and you put amends on them, and have them go nuts on a blue heroic or something that'll take them a little bit to kill.</DIV>

[Alir]

<DIV>*** Spells ***<BR><BR>Inquisitor:<BR>- Harrowing Inquest: Restored original 10% proc rate functionality on any spell or combat hit.<BR><BR>Wizard:<BR>*** Spells ***<BR>- Surging Tempest: Restored original update count to 7 ticks isntead of 9. <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Aye no mention of amends.......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hope they fixed it.</DIV>

[Aeralik]

<div></div>It should be part of the update even if it wasnt mentioned in the notes.  <div></div><p>Message Edited by Aeralik on <span class=date_text>12-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:52 AM</span>

[Satyrfawn]

<DIV>Looks like it's in the Test Update Notes for Wednesday, December 13 2006:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffcc00><STRONG>*** Spells ***</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- Amends should no longer get overwritten by other classes hate transfer abilities.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tup&message.id=163" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tup&message.id=163</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone try it?</DIV>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Seomon wrote:<BR> <DIV>No mention of it in the update notes, but it could still be there. Anyone in and have a chance to test it? It's easy to test. Have a Wizzy put their hate trans on you, and you put amends on them, and have them go nuts on a blue heroic or something that'll take them a little bit to kill.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>there was no problems with amends as long as amends was cast last.</P> <P>the problem occured when the paly casts amends first, then the wizard puts anomalism on the paly, which would cancell amends hate transfer and only give the wizard 4% hate transfer to the paly,</P> <P>the same would happen if another sorceror put the hate transfer on the paly (if 2 sorcerors) after the paly amended one, the most recent buff applied would take precedence.</P> <P> </P> <P>so in reality the way to test is to have paly cast amends first, then wizzie cast hate transfer on paly and nuke.</P>

[ArivenGemini]

<div><blockquote><hr>IllusiveThoughts wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Seomon wrote: <div>No mention of it in the update notes, but it could still be there. Anyone in and have a chance to test it? It's easy to test. Have a Wizzy put their hate trans on you, and you put amends on them, and have them go nuts on a blue heroic or something that'll take them a little bit to kill.</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>there was no problems with amends as long as amends was cast last.</p> <p>the problem occured when the paly casts amends first, then the wizard puts anomalism on the paly, which would cancell amends hate transfer and only give the wizard 4% hate transfer to the paly,</p> <p>the same would happen if another sorceror put the hate transfer on the paly (if 2 sorcerors) after the paly amended one, the most recent buff applied would take precedence.</p> <p>so in reality the way to test is to have paly cast amends first, then wizzie cast hate transfer on paly and nuke.</p><hr></blockquote>there were also problems with the swashy hate transfer.. to the point where it seemed the canceled each other out no matter who cast first..</div>

[Rarlin]

<div><blockquote><hr>Aeralik wrote:<div></div>It should be part of the update even if it wasnt mentioned in the notes.  <div></div><p>Message Edited by Aeralik on <span class="date_text">12-20-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:52 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Thanks for the update</div>

[Arraza]

<DIV>I don't mean this in an insulting way, but OMG, YOU GUYS REALLY DO READ OUR FORUMS!  Woohoo!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now post again quick to prove it... lol.<BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aeralik wrote:<BR> It should be part of the update even if it wasnt mentioned in the notes.  <BR> <P>Message Edited by Aeralik on <SPAN class=date_text>12-20-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:52 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR></DIV>

[Seomon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aeralik wrote:<BR> It should be part of the update even if it wasnt mentioned in the notes.  <BR> <P>Message Edited by Aeralik on <SPAN class=date_text>12-20-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:52 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thanks.</P>

[Nevar]

<DIV>Wow I dont know what to think. A dev read our forums......</DIV>

[rya]

<DIV>I cannot express enough the joy I felt when I saw the reply from a DEV. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks!</DIV>

[Vulkan_NTooki]

Thats actually the first time I've seen a red name in our forum.. :smileysurprised: I was like checkin if I somehow clicked the wrong board shortcut, and that I had hit the developer thread or something instead.:smileyvery-happy:

[Arraza]

ROFL... I did the SAME thing... I had to do a double take on the thread, because I thought I got into the test updates section or something.  <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> VulcanPromance wrote:<BR> Thats actually the first time I've seen a red name in our forum.. :smileysurprised: I was like checkin if I somehow clicked the wrong board shortcut, and that I had hit the developer thread or something instead.:smileyvery-happy:<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Crib92]

<DIV>Let's play nice all.  These Dev's are delicate creatures.  Often frightened by bright lights and loud noises.  Any sudden movements and we may scare them away.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Immuen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aeralik wrote:<BR> It should be part of the update even if it wasnt mentioned in the notes.  <BR> <P>Message Edited by Aeralik on <SPAN class=date_text>12-20-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:52 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What a red name made a comment?

[Seomon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Seomon wrote:<BR> <DIV>No mention of it in the update notes, but it could still be there. Anyone in and have a chance to test it? It's easy to test. Have a Wizzy put their hate trans on you, and you put amends on them, and have them go nuts on a blue heroic or something that'll take them a little bit to kill.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>there was no problems with amends as long as amends was cast last.</P> <P>the problem occured when the paly casts amends first, then the wizard puts anomalism on the paly, which would cancell amends hate transfer and only give the wizard 4% hate transfer to the paly,</P> <P>the same would happen if another sorceror put the hate transfer on the paly (if 2 sorcerors) after the paly amended one, the most recent buff applied would take precedence.</P> <P> </P> <P>so in reality the way to test is to have paly cast amends first, then wizzie cast hate transfer on paly and nuke.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>It really never mattered who cast what first, at least from my testing. No matter what, amends would be buggy, because it's priority was set lower I think. So this fix just put amends at the top, since it's the highest "hate transfer" skill there is.<BR>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Seomon wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Seomon wrote:<BR> <DIV>No mention of it in the update notes, but it could still be there. Anyone in and have a chance to test it? It's easy to test. Have a Wizzy put their hate trans on you, and you put amends on them, and have them go nuts on a blue heroic or something that'll take them a little bit to kill.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>there was no problems with amends as long as amends was cast last.</P> <P>the problem occured when the paly casts amends first, then the wizard puts anomalism on the paly, which would cancell amends hate transfer and only give the wizard 4% hate transfer to the paly,</P> <P>the same would happen if another sorceror put the hate transfer on the paly (if 2 sorcerors) after the paly amended one, the most recent buff applied would take precedence.</P> <P> </P> <P>so in reality the way to test is to have paly cast amends first, then wizzie cast hate transfer on paly and nuke.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>It really never mattered who cast what first, at least from my testing. No matter what, amends would be buggy, because it's priority was set lower I think. So this fix just put amends at the top, since it's the highest "hate transfer" skill there is.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>thats not how it worked for me, i had hours of testing, and thats the way it worked</P> <P>at any rate it appears that the stacking issue is fixed, doesn't matter when i cast this or if a warlock or another class with hate transfer puts theirs on the paly ameds is taking precedence.<BR></P>

[TheBu]

<DIV>does it work or not?</DIV> <DIV> Ilu posted we still have to stand on one leg and hold one hand in the air.. . ok not bad just cast one before the other...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I been unable to test this.. . (was not able to login this morning.. hum (but i did see some nice parses)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Seomon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheBuzZ wrote:<BR> <DIV>does it work or not?</DIV> <DIV> Ilu posted we still have to stand on one leg and hold one hand in the air.. . ok not bad just cast one before the other...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I been unable to test this.. . (was not able to login this morning.. hum (but i did see some nice parses)</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>So far from everything I've seen and tested it works just fine now. Next thing on the agenda is Sigil of Heroism.<BR>

[Anariale]

<DIV>Sigil has worked fine for a very very long time, bro</DIV>

[Seomon]

<DIV>Meh, it screws up all the hate trans' every time I've used it, so I just stopped.</DIV>

[khufure]

<div><blockquote><hr>Seomon wrote:<div>Meh, it screws up all the hate trans' every time I've used it, so I just stopped.</div><hr></blockquote>I agree.  If I had amends + another transfer I would never cast sigil.  If I had amends + buff results were inconclusive.</div>

[equinoxio]

<DIV>I have never had any problem with Sigil, I use it constantly, never need to redo amends or any hate transfer after it ends.</DIV>

[Wulfborne]

<div><blockquote><hr>equinoxio wrote:<div>I have never had any problem with Sigil, I use it constantly, never need to redo amends or any hate transfer after it ends.</div><hr></blockquote>Same here. I've been using it for months, and have never had a problem.~Hawke</div>

[Deevaun]

<DIV>Sigil does work with Amends last I checked.  It WAS bugged a while back.  However last I checked, Sigil still breaks Swash, and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] hate transfers, not sure about the casters hate transfers as it is such a minor buff not really worth checking.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I tested it as follows.  I would have one of the hate buffs on me, be it a swash or a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], then I would cast sigil, then every fight after the fight where I used sigil the hate would not work and on the parses hate would be taken at points where before it would not.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With Amend you can do sigil, with any other hate, sigil breaks.  But amend does work with other hate transfers, but they do not stack, from my experience whichever was cast last worked, but they did that recent patch so haven't tested it since.</DIV>

[Seomon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Deevaun wrote:<BR> <DIV>Sigil does work with Amends last I checked.  It WAS bugged a while back.  However last I checked, Sigil still breaks Swash, and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] hate transfers, not sure about the casters hate transfers as it is such a minor buff not really worth checking.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I tested it as follows.  I would have one of the hate buffs on me, be it a swash or a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], then I would cast sigil, then every fight after the fight where I used sigil the hate would not work and on the parses hate would be taken at points where before it would not.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With Amend you can do sigil, with any other hate, sigil breaks.  But amend does work with other hate transfers, but they do not stack, from my experience whichever was cast last worked, but they did that recent patch so haven't tested it since.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Exactly how I've seen it working.<BR>

[Rast]

Amends seems to drop on zoning now too, so be wary of that.

[Tames]

<P>Makes the 5 Sigil AA we put into our EOF Block line pretty useless doesnt it? Unless you hotkey a request for everyone to redo hate transfers after casting Sigil.</P> <P>So Amends drops on zoning? You would think that they would have our Hate transfer stuff fixed after all this time wouldnt you?</P> <P>If you zone or evac you could have a nasty surprise on the first pull...</P>

[Rast]

<P>Actually, I guess the more appropriate statement is, it toggles off on zoning.  You lose the icon (it isn't hidden) but it caught me unprepared the first couple of times it happened to me trying to figure out why my amended target was pulling agro from me.  Turns out it was the 'oh duh...' moment type of thing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>With that being said, I don't think it is broken but rather simply has to be recast upon zoning.  I usually tell my amends target to give me time to land it on them after a zoning so it can be taken care of.</P>