AA Question

[MeridianR]

Since my [Removed for Content] [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is at work right now and I can't take a look at things, is there a site that goes over all of our AA's (both KoS and EoF).Right now I am spec'd from before KoS with 8488 Sta and 4485 Int, but I want to get a feeling for the other KoS AA's, and then plan out what I want to go with EoF AA's.The Str (KoS) line I am familiar with, because I was using it before I switched to Int, but I am interested in the Wisdom line (Battle Leadership especially), so if someone can give me a break down of the Wisdom line (or send me to a link, etc).EoF wise, I know it mainly depends on what role you are going to be serving, but I am interested in what lines some Paladins are going.....thanks in advance <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Crib92]

<P>I'm at work as well, but as far as EOF is concerned, I went down the Wrath and hero lines.  My thought for Wrath was that with increased dps I would better manage group mob encounters. (I mostly OT, some MT and often times I'm responsible for the adds etc...)  Hero for the increased HP, increased sigil, and the 5% to defense (Or block, can't remember exact effect)</P> <P>With the remainder I plan to max out the group armorment.  This just seems too good to pass on.</P> <P>I'm sure I will change a few times after I reach 100 but thats my plan now.  KOS spec'd I'm Sta, Int, pretty much the same as you are set up.</P>

[Lord_Quaymar]

<P>I've been focusing on Wrath and Hero as well.</P> <P>For KoS, I'm STA and STR now. I see you guys went STA and INT....since you switched from STA/STR, is it worth the cost to change in your opinion?</P>

[Rast]

<P>I'm going down the STR and WIS lines with Jal.  I'm still unsure about the battle leadership at this point, need to go fight some with and without it to get a feel for how it is doing I guess, but off the cuff it feels like it is an improvement over being without it.  Though I went down the Wis line for strictly RP reasons (my weapon of choice is a sword, so I took the sword line <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)</P> <P>For EoF, I'm going down the Hero and Support lines with crossovers go grab the improved ward and single heal.</P> <P>Unfortunately, I'm only 60 with a whopping total of 31 AAs, so I really haven't gotten too much yet.</P>

[Rocksthemic]

I went down str and int lines from KoS myself. The reduced cast times on str line stack very well with the reducers from EoF. As far as the wisdom line... I'm not sure about that. Battle leadership is ok, but I generally just fire off HO's and keep swindlers gift up most of the time if I'm in a group and even in defensive stance I get decent skill in slashing, etc. For KoS aa I am going down the support line, as at the end with casting reducer time I can cast a single target cure every 9 seconds. If only it could cure trauma <span>:smileymad:</span>  I am also going along hero line and the leftover 8 points are going into my ward and LoH reducers. And Wb Phov (I knew you couldn't stay away) mwahahaha <div></div>

[MeridianR]

LOL, Yeah I am back (waiting for a new sig to be made, so for now I just kept it at that).Battle Leadership seems decent enough, but it's mainly for raiding.  I know that +skill and casting actually make a difference now, so I was wondering if people have started going down this line yet.<div></div>

[Rast]

I've got 3 or 4 points in it myself, but I do not raid.  But it would be good for grouping too (even in solo it seems to make a difference to me).

[Anariale]

<DIV>Im now 448 Sta/Wis/Int... its working well for a mix of tanking and damage output.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For EoF AA's, Im 21 Hero and right now 11 into Wrath.  I can really tell a difference in the lvl 70 PBAE DD+Stun spell (whatever its called).  Im just starting into cranking Brimstone at this point, and after that will be Holy Circle then Smite Evil.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It will be interesting to see how much DPS we can end up doing in these large AE fights.  Maybe I can head back to PPR just for snots and snigglies!</DIV>

[Crib92]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Anariale wrote:<BR> <DIV>Im now 448 Sta/Wis/Int... its working well for a mix of tanking and damage output.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For EoF AA's, Im 21 Hero and right now 11 into Wrath.  I can really tell a difference in the lvl 70 PBAE DD+Stun spell (whatever its called).  Im just starting into cranking Brimstone at this point, and after that will be Holy Circle then Smite Evil.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>It will be interesting to see how much DPS we can end up doing in these large AE fights.  Maybe I can head back to PPR just for snots and snigglies!</FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>My favorite fight so far is the heroic group in LoA. (Down the stairs)  I hit 2400 dps on that fight with the wrath line.  I was tanking so I was in defensive with mit gear on.  So, it does appear that the wrath line has a big impact.  Smite evil is pretty good on large encounters.

[Lord_Quaymar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MeridianR wrote:<BR>Since my [Removed for Content] [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is at work right now and I can't take a look at things, is there a site that goes over all of our AA's (both KoS and EoF).<BR><BR>Right now I am spec'd from before KoS with 8488 Sta and 4485 Int, but I want to get a feeling for the other KoS AA's, and then plan out what I want to go with EoF AA's.<BR><BR>The Str (KoS) line I am familiar with, because I was using it before I switched to Int, but I am interested in the Wisdom line (Battle Leadership especially), so if someone can give me a break down of the Wisdom line (or send me to a link, etc).<BR><BR>EoF wise, I know it mainly depends on what role you are going to be serving, but I am interested in what lines some Paladins are going.....thanks in advance <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Again...having switched from STR/STA to STA/INT....would you say it is worth the cost of respecing?

[MeridianR]

From doing my own testing back in KoS day, yes it was well worth changing from Str/Sta to Sta/Int.  My dps went up (I don't have my notes, but it was pretty substantial) and with the proper group setup (procs, etc) you can put out very respectable dps.Now beyond that, I just wanted to know from anyone with Battle Leadership how that is working out.<div></div>

[Anariale]

<P>Im showing a distinct 5-10% increase in to-hit rates from 8/8 Battle Leadership vs no Battle Leadership from my parses.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Anariale on <span class=date_text>12-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:45 AM</span>

[MeridianR]

<div><blockquote><hr>Anariale wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>Im showing a distinct 5-10% increase in to-hit rates from 8/8 Battle Leadership vs no Battle Leadership from my parses.</p> <p>Message Edited by Anariale on <span class="date_text">12-19-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:45 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Thanks man.  Do you happen to have the numbers from the Wisdom line (what 8/8 gives the group, what the group proc is at 4/8, etc)</div>

[Anariale]

<P>8/8 Leadership is +34 to all skills</P> <P> </P>

[Rast]

Wound up going and respecing and decided on doing Str 4/4/4/4/8 and Int 4/4/8/8 to see how that will work out.  Granted right now, I've only got a 4/3 and 4/4/4/4 but at least I'll get to see what kind of impact the crits will have.

[Wallzak]

<DIV>STR 4-4-5-4-8</DIV> <DIV>INT 4-4-8</DIV> <DIV>AGI 8 (my agility sucks)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm am still torn about this set-up</DIV> <UL> <LI>I love the INT crit... simply amazing</LI> <LI>The increase casting time... gives me the fastest rez in a raid (that I've discovered so far), this also stacks in the Healing EoF line so my heals go even faster.</LI> <LI>The melee crit... this I miss... a lot, but I believe I would need to sacrifice 16 aa's to get it back... and I don't know where I would get it</LI> <LI>I may repect and throw it back into STR to max my haste... not sure yet.</LI></UL> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EoF</DIV> <DIV>I just finished... as of last night... the healing line.  No regrets... yet... the increase timers and power reductions... very sweet... but the new heal (which I haven't used in battle yet) is a huge manna hog... twice per HP as our ward, and 25% more than our other heal.  We'll see how this pans out in raid.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm now going down the wrath line... how can you pass this up??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What's left over will probably end up in the group mit buff... not sure yet and that's a long way off.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm torn about the support line... the ward is tempting</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The increase shield thing is also very tempting but at this point I'm going to pass.  I can tank all group stuff in the game (but i'm also head to foot in fabled at this point) so I don't need more help tanking.  I can't tank raid stuff... but with 3 guards equiped to MT I will never be called to fill this role... the role I do fulfill is keeping the silly Guard on his feet, keeping my group alive and rezing... thus the extra heal, increased healing efficiency and group mit buff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Lord_Quaymar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MeridianR wrote:<BR>From doing my own testing back in KoS day, yes it was well worth changing from Str/Sta to Sta/Int.  My dps went up (I don't have my notes, but it was pretty substantial) and with the proper group setup (procs, etc) you can put out very respectable dps.<BR><BR>Now beyond that, I just wanted to know from anyone with Battle Leadership how that is working out.<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thanks...here I go....respeccing again LOL.  :smileytongue:

[holypaladin28]

<DIV>i myself did INT 8-4-8-8   for the spell and heal crits  (smiteevil Crits for 2k at lvl 40 for me and i have hit 1k dps parses with it and the other AE damage increase)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but for the rest i did STA 8 in the first   but i think the small melee crit bonus wasnt worth 8 points and sinking 8 points into the max life only adds about 300 life.  instead i did</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>INT 8-4-8-8</DIV> <DIV>STA 8-</DIV> <DIV>STR 8</DIV> <DIV>AGI  6</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the extra str helps with the dps</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the extra AGI adds some to the avoid helping us tank a little better</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>for EOF im doing smite evil  ignoring the DJ spell and doing the others with 20 5 for cry of conviction 5 for the blade twirl 5 for consercate 5 for decree  and one for smite</DIV> <DIV>then im sinking another 20 into support 5 for LOH 10 minutes is nice 5 for the ward 8 or 10 second recast  5 for both the heals less power and  one second off each cast time is great andone point for the end heal</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>thats me though and so far its working GREAT  out parsing some wizzys and scouts alot and because of the dps the aggro control is alot easier </DIV>

[rya]

<DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3>I was STA 4/4/8/8/8 and INT 4/4/8/1 pre-EoF. I find this works the best for me, love the melee/spell crits, increase in max. health and Divine Aura.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3>I am currently STA 4/4/4/4/8, WIS4/4/4 and INT 4/4/4/1 for KoS AA. I tried a lot of combination before reaching my current setup. I find myself spread out very thinly but there’s just too much I want to incorporate into my char. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3>My views for AAs, from someone who wants to tank raid, are as follow:</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ffffff><SPAN> </SPAN>- AA for stats is a waste. I tried 8 points in AGI and 8 points in STA and find the avoidance almost unnoticeable especially when tanking raid as base avoidance is contested against +hit bonus. And the increase in health for STA points is very little as well.</FONT></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ffffff><SPAN> </SPAN>- I tried having 8 points in WIS line for +skills. Although I do feel that I am hitting more, I did not really notice a very significant increase in my chance to hit. But I do remember the casting cost of our single target heal, Fervent Aid, is reduced by 10 with 8 points in +skills. So in general, points in here is worth it as you will see reduce in casting cost for healers, increase chance for spell to land for casters and increase chance to hit for melees in your group. Then as a tank, you will hit more (more dps, more agro), aid your healers in power consumption and aid your amendee to hit more as well (again more agro to you). This is too good a line to give up in EoF and I ended up putting 4 in here, just enough to offset my defensive stance and for the benefits stated above.</FONT></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ffffff><SPAN> </SPAN>- While trying the above, I gave up spell crit and DA which I would very much prefer not to lose them. Even with long casting time and its limited damage prevention, it is the only skill we got to help stabilize fights. I do not like the dps I am getting without spell crit, plus I will be going wrath line and getting group/solo procs in EoF, I decided to get spell crit again but putting in 4 points instead of 8. And with Luck of Dirge, everything is going to add up. The +2% increase in max. health is at about at most 300 decrease in health during raid which I ended up forgoing.</FONT></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3>As for EoF, I will be going hero line and wrath line to get both final abilities and I will get group/solo proc buff from the support line. Support line looks pretty good as well but the final cure ability does not cure physical effects and its usefulness is further reduced if you are tanking as you cannot self cure while stunned/strifled/silenced etc.</FONT></P></DIV>

[Caetrel]

Been down 4-4-8 Wisdom since after EoF came out.  The +34 gives about +55 attack rating to all group members, irregardless of where they are before you put the buff up (1100 goes to 1155, 1500 goes to 1555 etc...).  Obviously, hits and spells land more, don't have any data. The ministration cheapens all healing costs, and as a weird by-product the +ordination makes my M1 Consecrate cost 2 less per tick.  No other non-ministration costs are reduced that I know of.   I don't have any hard info on ministration's effect on heal power cost but the +34 seems to be in the ballpark of about a 5% reduction for the group.  There are diminishing returns I believe, so healers with an already high ministration will benefit less.  This is all from memory, so shoot me if I am off a point on the attack rating quote.  I am pretty happy with the line, it is beneficial in all situations and all group make-ups, and the efficiency of that makes it seem worthwhile.  I lost the INT line to take it but can still hit standard crap pally dps of 700-900 on raids (if not MTing). <div></div>