So, how do you do it?

[Glacis]

<DIV>Now that you are here.  I started playing my paladin from day one.  I have played through all the nerfs to both the paladins and armorers.  I must say I am very very frustrated.  I have tried to tank in a raid and promptly had my [Removed for Content] handed to me.  I basically dropped like a rock.  Here is my situation, I am not in the best gear out there but all fabled gear (T7).  I always ward myself on pull and have amends on one of our dps casters.  At pull, hit everything I got trying to gain some aggro.  Mob turns, kills the caster I have amends on, then turns back as I have hit rescue and smacks me to the ground in two shots.  So, for all of you that say a paladin can raid tank, give me some clues.  I am tired of being passed over for my alts, a conjuror and a warden, made out of necessity as I like to raid.  As it stands now, our Berserker can out tank a guardian with ease and do some serious dps usually in the 1-2k range, when I am not tanking and trying to dps think the most I have come up with is around 800dps.  Needless to say, I am about ready to throw in the towel and just quit EQ2 even though I purchased EoF hoping we would get some luvin.  Alas, this has not happened.</DIV>

[Kroms]

<DIV>The beserker isnt whining that he cant heal or has less utility than you. Cripes get over it. This is how hybrids are in every game. They are never better as a class devoted to something.</DIV>

[JarredDarque]

<DIV>Honestly, I dont know hwat your doin wrong,  I end up tanking more than a few raid mobs because the mage I have amends on, useually a warlock or wizzy, is trying to get me killed for laughs.  As such, I have no buffs up to help me tank other than my own, and onl one healer in the group, and if lucky a conjuror for mitigation.  I still rarely have a problem styin up against named, and am not yet in full fabled, I have CoP, Dragonscale Shoulders, and Firebrand gloves still...was 5177 mitigation before EoF...havent logged in yet to check out new mitigation.</DIV>

[Caetrel]

If you ward yourself, body pull an encounter, then zap it with Righteousness (encounter taunt) when all the mobs get close, you will have an initial lock.  Let alone if you ward, pull with Brimstone, then taunt.   Honestly, if you have amends on a caster and they are pulling initial aggro, they need to chill out it is not your fault.  No one should be going balls out when you pull lol.  I've tanked most raid mobs in the game and aggro is the least of my worries.  In a group I don't bother with ward really, just body pull and start spamming.   The people you group with need to know how things work too, not just you.  Keep trying and talk stuff out with people. <div></div>

[CycoDelic]

Also, make certain none of the caster have their 3% siphon on you (i.e. Anomolism)

[Seomon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> JarredDarque wrote:<BR> <DIV>Honestly, I dont know hwat your doin wrong,  I end up tanking more than a few raid mobs because the mage I have amends on, useually a warlock or wizzy, is trying to get me killed for laughs.  As such, I have no buffs up to help me tank other than my own, and onl one healer in the group, and if lucky a conjuror for mitigation.  I still rarely have a problem styin up against named, and am not yet in full fabled, I have CoP, Dragonscale Shoulders, and Firebrand gloves still...was 5177 mitigation before EoF...havent logged in yet to check out new mitigation.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Same here, except Jarred has more mit than me ( I don't have any fabled, but all legendary), but everything else applies. My Wizard or Warlock that I have amends (41% Master) tries to get me killed and laughs about it. My raid group is generally 1 Wizard, 1 Warlock, 2 Paladins, 1 Healer, and something else, usually a Conj. I tanked 2 eyes in DT w/o a problem because my Amends target thinks it's funny, and I was in Offensive Stance.

[Rob89]

<DIV>I got no problem at all as MT in raids.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Grp setup are like this if i tank:</DIV> <DIV>Me (paladin)</DIV> <DIV>Coercer</DIV> <DIV>Defiler</DIV> <DIV>Warden</DIV> <DIV>Templar</DIV> <DIV>Brigand/Bruiser</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My stats:</DIV> <DIV>Hp: 13 000-14 000</DIV> <DIV>Mana: around 5k</DIV> <DIV>Mit: around 6200</DIV> <DIV>Resits: All over 6000 except Magic and divine that are around 8k</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I cast Amends on the bruiser or brigand.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I dont use any type of selfheals on pull. I run in, body pull, Cast grp taunt. Then i cast my Sigil of Heroism and let the brigand go nuts on the debuffs and dispatch. Then i just go dps all way. Often dont even need to taunt. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am full fabled and got 5300 mit selfbuffed and around 8.2-8.4k hp selfbuffed. Using either Qeynos guard or The fabled shield from LoA.. dont know what its called. Grants immune to fear and stuff.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So.. il say that Sigil of Heroism is the key.</DIV>

[Odinwray Treewalker]

okay since i dont know your gear i cant say anything for your survivability, however i can help you with your agro as things may or may not be really buggy still since htel ast update, and from what i HEARD SoE wont admit its broken either =/k our agro is mainly based off of amends, followed by our taunts and the DPS we can do, all though a ward on the pull helps, so i will go through how to make it so amends DOES NOT bug. step 1, choose a target to cast amends on. if you are going through single targets a brawler is best since they have agro buff unless they are sucking at the DPS, in which case a wizard or other single target DPS is best bet. summoners usually arent to great since half their agro is split between their pet and themself. likwise for groups having something like a warlock or enraged berzerker works the best for agro in multiple mob situations. i would reccomend downloading a parser so you can keep track of your amends target and swap if nessecary.step 2. make sure that you have your hate transfers cast properly. if you are going to have one on you, it CANNOT be from a wiz/warlock as it overrides ammends completely, and if a swashy/assassin is going to cast it on you have them cast it before you amends someone, and dont amends them afterwards! choose someone who wouldnt otherwise have hate transfer at all unless the scout is doing insane DPS over everyone to begin with and his own hate transfer isnt enough. only once the hate transfers are cast on you should you cast amends.step 3. if you are going to use sigil of heroism you cannot i repeat CANNOT have a hate transfer on you as sigil will bug amends and your hate transfer and you will get 0 hate from anyone once it runs out untill they are properly recast. if you are by yourself in agro transfers sigil is okay to use but because of the risks i dont bother reguardless as i can already hold agro fineif you are still having trouble after this start upgrading your skills to ad3 or better, espescially your taunts. the only agro skill i dont have master 1 is clarion cry and thats just because its t6 and thus costs 25p on my server, which is a pain in my [Removed for Content] as i have a monk and warlock that need money for leveling. you should also respec your AP to go down the str line for the hate % generation bonus, i only have 4 points which lots 5% and i can peel off much more easily than i used to be able to. i was in a group with my guilds MT and an SK, and the MT had been away for a month on business, and the SK just sucked, so even though my mit was 5% lower than them i ended up tanking reguardless because i was beating right through amends (i have high DPS for a paladin, breaking 1k with ease on 3 or more mobs at once). if you are having issues still you can go down int line and pop points into your spell crit and increase your own DPS. crits also generate more hate on average for the ammount of dmg they do than normal hits from what i find, i an do less DPS but have more crits and pull agro than if i was doing more DPS and less crits and keep clean.if you are having trouble after this please take some time to re-evaluate your play strategy and see if there is a way to improve upon it. check to make sure that your attack stats, in defensive stance, are at least 350 on str (reccomended) and maybe 200 on int minimum. my guilds MT usually has agro issues without coercer/dirge buff or hate transfers if he goes to low because his skills dont do enough damage.<div></div>