Well we can dps.. in certain groups

[madha]

<DIV>So I'm in the MT group in labs with a coercer 72% dps mod.  Changed my aa to have haste melee crit and spell crit.  A group of 4 comes in i pop my droag rage consecrate and procede to ae like a crazy person, every single ae crited, every tick of concecrate.  At the end of the fight i had 1039 dps.  Now i had the wurmslayer and It procs like crazy and its proc must be a spell of some sort cause it's proc crits very often.  In my combat log i had 10 or 11 crits ina  row.  NO i dont have a pic I was dumbfounded. I was number 1 in the dps list, we had a bunch of alts with us so dps was low.</DIV>

[Mgunner]

I wouldn't make the top 10 with that DPS.  In my guild, the lowest person on the parse is around 1200.

[madha]

Lol we had a bunch of raid noobs with us and like 2 or 3 casters.  Was a fun parse night i was top 4 like 1/2 the night and we still cleared labs with 0 relic drops, but i got my sword of the crosslander so im happy with it.  Coercer and brigends rock.

[MeridianR]

With the right group setup, anyone can be top 10 dps.  The point though, is that with that same group setup you need for a Paladin, you can sub another pure dps class and own it up even more.I used to break 1k zonewide in dps when I was in a dps group, so it's possible.....but that setup is not what you would call normal.... <div></div>

[Boli32]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>madhatr wrote:<div>So I'm in the MT group in labs with a coercer 72% dps mod.  Changed my aa to have haste melee crit and spell crit.  A group of 4 comes in i pop my droag rage consecrate and procede to ae like a crazy person, every single ae crited, every tick of concecrate.  At the end of the fight i had 1039 dps.  Now i had the wurmslayer and It procs like crazy and its proc must be a spell of some sort cause it's proc crits very often.  In my combat log i had 10 or 11 crits ina  row.  NO i dont have a pic I was dumbfounded. I was number 1 in the dps list, we had a bunch of alts with us so dps was low.</div><hr></blockquote>Group with a Troubadour, Wizard, Warlock, Asassin, and a Fury. Everyoine in that group gets useful bonuses from everyone else, and I don't believe any are wasted.Illusionist, Conjurer, Inquisitor, Brigand, Beserker, Shadowknight is another insane combination... in fact the more you mix up the classes and try to make it so there is less 'wasted buffs' the higher your dps will climb... and climb it will.You'll never match a pure dps, but your group with you in it will survive longer and sustained dps is far more useful than dead dps.</div><p>Message Edited by boli on <span class=date_text>11-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:47 PM</span>

[MeridianR]

<div><blockquote><hr>boli wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>madhatr wrote:<div>So I'm in the MT group in labs with a coercer 72% dps mod.  Changed my aa to have haste melee crit and spell crit.  A group of 4 comes in i pop my droag rage consecrate and procede to ae like a crazy person, every single ae crited, every tick of concecrate.  At the end of the fight i had 1039 dps.  Now i had the wurmslayer and It procs like crazy and its proc must be a spell of some sort cause it's proc crits very often.  In my combat log i had 10 or 11 crits ina  row.  NO i dont have a pic I was dumbfounded. I was number 1 in the dps list, we had a bunch of alts with us so dps was low.</div><hr></blockquote>Group with a Troubadour, Wizard, Warlock, Asassin, and a Fury. Everyoine in that group gets useful bonuses from everyone else, and I don't believe any are wasted.Illusionist, Conjurer, Inquisitor, Brigand, Beserker, Shadowknight is another insane combination... in fact the more you mix up the classes and try to make it so there is less 'wasted buffs' the higher your dps will climb... and climb it will.</div><hr></blockquote>Change a Wizard or Warlock with a Conjuror (since there procs do not stack) and you benefit even more.   The assassin could be moved to another dps group (if a fighter or another melee is in there, they benefit from apply poison as well) - and a Rogue could be added to this one.There are so many combo's of kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] groups now it isn't even funny.  You just need to remember a couple things about Wiz/War procs not stacking....and Rangers get no benefit from pure melee procs if they spend a lot of time range fighting etc.Plus chanters just pwn0rz anyway you put it.</div>

[Boli32]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>MeridianR wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>boli wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>madhatr wrote:<div>So I'm in the MT group in labs with a coercer 72% dps mod.  Changed my aa to have haste melee crit and spell crit.  A group of 4 comes in i pop my droag rage consecrate and procede to ae like a crazy person, every single ae crited, every tick of concecrate.  At the end of the fight i had 1039 dps.  Now i had the wurmslayer and It procs like crazy and its proc must be a spell of some sort cause it's proc crits very often.  In my combat log i had 10 or 11 crits ina  row.  NO i dont have a pic I was dumbfounded. I was number 1 in the dps list, we had a bunch of alts with us so dps was low.</div><hr></blockquote>Group with a Troubadour, Wizard, Warlock, Asassin, and a Fury. Everyoine in that group gets useful bonuses from everyone else, and I don't believe any are wasted.Illusionist, Conjurer, Inquisitor, Brigand, Beserker, Shadowknight is another insane combination... in fact the more you mix up the classes and try to make it so there is less 'wasted buffs' the higher your dps will climb... and climb it will.</div><hr></blockquote>Change a Wizard or Warlock with a Conjuror (since there procs do not stack) and you benefit even more.   The assassin could be moved to another dps group (if a fighter or another melee is in there, they benefit from apply poison as well) - and a Rogue could be added to this one.There are so many combo's of kick [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] groups now it isn't even funny.  You just need to remember a couple things about Wiz/War procs not stacking....and Rangers get no benefit from pure melee procs if they spend a lot of time range fighting etc.Plus chanters just pwn0rz anyway you put it.</div><hr></blockquote>Warlock was in to get the +bonus to casting skills... helps tremedously with the yellow con mobs.But yeah... lots of combinattions to get the best from your raid... the trick is to find groups where everyone gets bonuses and no-one is stuck guarding 5 wizards (as my fury was done once... b/c I'm a 'caster druid'... suffice to say I was p/o... spent all raid on rez patrol)</div><p>Message Edited by boli on <span class=date_text>11-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:54 PM</span>

[Mgunner]

<DIV>I'll hit 1200 on single target mobs in the right group. But as it was stated earlier, you can sub in a pure DPS class for much better gains.</DIV>

[Kaleyen]

<div><blockquote><hr>MeridianR wrote:With the right group setup, anyone can be top 10 dps.  The point though, is that with that same group setup you need for a Paladin, <b>you can sub another pure dps class and own it up even more.</b><div></div><hr></blockquote>QFE</div>

[FlintAH]

<div><blockquote><hr>boli wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>madhatr wrote:<div>So I'm in the MT group in labs with a coercer 72% dps mod.  Changed my aa to have haste melee crit and spell crit.  A group of 4 comes in i pop my droag rage consecrate and procede to ae like a crazy person, every single ae crited, every tick of concecrate.  At the end of the fight i had 1039 dps.  Now i had the wurmslayer and It procs like crazy and its proc must be a spell of some sort cause it's proc crits very often.  In my combat log i had 10 or 11 crits ina  row.  NO i dont have a pic I was dumbfounded. I was number 1 in the dps list, we had a bunch of alts with us so dps was low.</div><hr></blockquote>Group with a Troubadour, Wizard, Warlock, Asassin, and a Fury. Everyoine in that group gets useful bonuses from everyone else, and I don't believe any are wasted.Illusionist, Conjurer, Inquisitor, Brigand, Beserker, Shadowknight is another insane combination... in fact the more you mix up the classes and try to make it so there is less 'wasted buffs' the higher your dps will climb... and climb it will.You'll never match a pure dps, but your group with you in it will survive longer and sustained dps is far more useful than dead dps.</div><p>Message Edited by boli on <span class="date_text">11-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:47 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I may be having a brain fart moment, but what group wide buff does an assassin have?  Or am I misreading?</div>

[MeridianR]

<div><blockquote><hr>FlintAH wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>boli wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>madhatr wrote:<div>So I'm in the MT group in labs with a coercer 72% dps mod.  Changed my aa to have haste melee crit and spell crit.  A group of 4 comes in i pop my droag rage consecrate and procede to ae like a crazy person, every single ae crited, every tick of concecrate.  At the end of the fight i had 1039 dps.  Now i had the wurmslayer and It procs like crazy and its proc must be a spell of some sort cause it's proc crits very often.  In my combat log i had 10 or 11 crits ina  row.  NO i dont have a pic I was dumbfounded. I was number 1 in the dps list, we had a bunch of alts with us so dps was low.</div><hr></blockquote>Group with a Troubadour, Wizard, Warlock, Asassin, and a Fury. Everyoine in that group gets useful bonuses from everyone else, and I don't believe any are wasted.Illusionist, Conjurer, Inquisitor, Brigand, Beserker, Shadowknight is another insane combination... in fact the more you mix up the classes and try to make it so there is less 'wasted buffs' the higher your dps will climb... and climb it will.You'll never match a pure dps, but your group with you in it will survive longer and sustained dps is far more useful than dead dps.</div><p>Message Edited by boli on <span class="date_text">11-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:47 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I may be having a brain fart moment, but what group wide buff does an assassin have?  Or am I misreading?</div><hr></blockquote>They don't have group wide, but they do have apply poison.....it doesn't really benefit anyone in that group, hence why I said in my post to put another melee in there....Though I guess you could apply it to the troub, but meh.  </div>

[Boli32]

<blockquote><hr>MeridianR wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>FlintAH wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>boli wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>madhatr wrote:<div>So I'm in the MT group in labs with a coercer 72% dps mod.  Changed my aa to have haste melee crit and spell crit.  A group of 4 comes in i pop my droag rage consecrate and procede to ae like a crazy person, every single ae crited, every tick of concecrate.  At the end of the fight i had 1039 dps.  Now i had the wurmslayer and It procs like crazy and its proc must be a spell of some sort cause it's proc crits very often.  In my combat log i had 10 or 11 crits ina  row.  NO i dont have a pic I was dumbfounded. I was number 1 in the dps list, we had a bunch of alts with us so dps was low.</div><hr></blockquote>Group with a Troubadour, Wizard, Warlock, Asassin, and a Fury. Everyoine in that group gets useful bonuses from everyone else, and I don't believe any are wasted.Illusionist, Conjurer, Inquisitor, Brigand, Beserker, Shadowknight is another insane combination... in fact the more you mix up the classes and try to make it so there is less 'wasted buffs' the higher your dps will climb... and climb it will.You'll never match a pure dps, but your group with you in it will survive longer and sustained dps is far more useful than dead dps.</div><p>Message Edited by boli on <span class="date_text">11-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:47 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I may be having a brain fart moment, but what group wide buff does an assassin have?  Or am I misreading?</div><hr></blockquote>They don't have group wide, but they do have apply poison.....it doesn't really benefit anyone in that group, hence why I said in my post to put another melee in there....Though I guess you could apply it to the troub, but meh.  </div><hr></blockquote>They have none... but you've gotta shove them in one group and one that one buffs haste, int (for poison) wis (for resists) and agitage with procs means they'll be able to crank out a lot of damage... which you as a pally can amend <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[FlintAH]

<div><blockquote><hr>boli wrote:<blockquote><hr>MeridianR wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>FlintAH wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>boli wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>madhatr wrote:<div>So I'm in the MT group in labs with a coercer 72% dps mod.  Changed my aa to have haste melee crit and spell crit.  A group of 4 comes in i pop my droag rage consecrate and procede to ae like a crazy person, every single ae crited, every tick of concecrate.  At the end of the fight i had 1039 dps.  Now i had the wurmslayer and It procs like crazy and its proc must be a spell of some sort cause it's proc crits very often.  In my combat log i had 10 or 11 crits ina  row.  NO i dont have a pic I was dumbfounded. I was number 1 in the dps list, we had a bunch of alts with us so dps was low.</div><hr></blockquote>Group with a Troubadour, Wizard, Warlock, Asassin, and a Fury. Everyoine in that group gets useful bonuses from everyone else, and I don't believe any are wasted.Illusionist, Conjurer, Inquisitor, Brigand, Beserker, Shadowknight is another insane combination... in fact the more you mix up the classes and try to make it so there is less 'wasted buffs' the higher your dps will climb... and climb it will.You'll never match a pure dps, but your group with you in it will survive longer and sustained dps is far more useful than dead dps.</div><p>Message Edited by boli on <span class="date_text">11-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:47 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I may be having a brain fart moment, but what group wide buff does an assassin have?  Or am I misreading?</div><hr></blockquote>They don't have group wide, but they do have apply poison.....it doesn't really benefit anyone in that group, hence why I said in my post to put another melee in there....Though I guess you could apply it to the troub, but meh.  </div><hr></blockquote>They have none... but you've gotta shove them in one group and one that one buffs haste, int (for poison) wis (for resists) and agitage with procs means they'll be able to crank out a lot of damage... which you as a pally can amend <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><hr></blockquote>You dont put amends on an assassin unless there is more than one in the group.  You should be putting amends on another high hate generator and get murderous from the assassin.  Unless you dont want aggro.  In which case......</div>