hrmmm who is left?

[RaistNA]

<DIV>So with several of the high end pally's hanging up their coats (virut, itook, and Phov?) who is still left from the glory days of t5, or [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], for that matter, beta?  I know i still see savageknight poppin in and out from time to time.  Horatious made a short lived return heh.  Anyone else left out there?  Or are we becoming an endangered class? :smileysad:</DIV>

[Erithorn]

<DIV>/boggle</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>* shakes his head*</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have difficulty seeing how the retirement of 3 aged Paladins, and the irregularity of attendance of a 4th would warrent asking if the class is in danger of disappearing?   I imagine that many of the other 100's of paladins across Norrath who do not give a rat's bum about whatever this group of rear end slapping good 'ole boys are up to, might have a different opinion as to the state of the paladin class.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Believe me sir, we are alive and quite well, thank you.  :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Asarum</DIV> <DIV>Paladin of Oasis</DIV>

[MeridianR]

I believe he was coming from the point that arguably 3 out of the top 5 / 10 Paladin's Worldwide, are pretty much moving on to other classes, and/or taking breaks.He is talking about the high end raiding Paladin's, not the class as a whole, IMO.  The class itself is still around, he was just making an inquiry about the higher tier raiding ones....at least I think <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Phov btw is still around, just can't raid due to real life circumstances (had a baby), but when I do get some time to get on I am mainly playing my Swashie alt (now that is a fun class :p)<div></div>

[Lamprey_02]

<DIV>Paladins. Not Paladin's. Ugh.</DIV>

[Crib92]

<DIV>I think we are an endangered class.  Now instead of 1,000,000 Pallies there are 999,997.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have to stop reading EQ2 Flames.  I want to flame every post I read.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[redi]

Raist, your favourite german paladin is still there:me....savageknight in beta atm and yunicski still there<div></div>

[MeridianR]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lamprey_02 wrote:<div>Paladins. Not Paladin's. Ugh.</div><hr></blockquote>OMG - I am truly sorry, please forgive me.</div>

[RaistNA]

<P>i just got my beta today (finally) so ill be joining savage.  </P> <P>I meant the high end raid paladins.  With each expansion we seem to be more and more useless in raids (will have to spend some time in EoF to see if we are fixed).  Was curious how many that have been around since day 1, and raided since then too, are still on their paladins raiding actively.  Seems most are leaving the game, or changing classes.</P>

[CycoDelic]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MeridianR wrote:<BR><BR><BR>Phov btw is still around, just can't raid due to real life circumstances (had a baby),<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Congratulations, mate <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>

[Kaleyen]

I'm still around, but didn't roll a Paladin til the Venekor server came about (RP-PvP).  Yeah, takes a real man with guts to roll up a Paladin on PvP <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />And yes I'm raiding T7...<div></div>

[holypaladin28]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kaleyen wrote:<BR>I'm still around, but didn't roll a Paladin til the Venekor server came about (RP-PvP).  Yeah, takes a real man with guts to roll up a Paladin on PvP <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>And yes I'm raiding T7...<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>i know right kaleyen now pallys on a pvp server yah those are endangered. but then again people like to roll easy mode on pvp but i will never retire my pally</P> <P> </P> <P>soloed a brig last night.  hehe dispatch missed and he got owned <BR></P>

[MeridianR]

<div><blockquote><hr>CycoDelic wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> MeridianR wrote:Phov btw is still around, just can't raid due to real life circumstances (had a baby), <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Congratulations, mate <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>Thanks - it might have been for the best anyway, cause I was seriously starting to get burned out.  I am starting to miss raiding now, so I figure when I get more time down the road, it will hopefully sort out....and Raist - don't hold your breath</div>

[Boli32]

I dunno, once a pally... allways a pally... I know I'm gonan be making a new fae pally when the expansion hits. I retired a long while ago but I still hover around these boards. <div></div>

[Fatuus]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaistNA wrote:<BR> <DIV>So with several of the high end pally's hanging up their coats (virut, itook, and Phov?) who is still left from the glory days of t5, or [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], for that matter, beta?  I know i still see savageknight poppin in and out from time to time.  Horatious made a short lived return heh.  Anyone else left out there?  Or are we becoming an endangered class? :smileysad:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Not all paladins who played content since T5 frequent the boards much. I never really started frequenting these boards and posting until I got saddled with guild leadership of my guild, but it doesn't stop the fact I have been raiding content from LU 5 on....Some just like to watch others beat their chests and brag.

[Zoren Northwood]

<div><blockquote><hr>MeridianR wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>CycoDelic wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> MeridianR wrote:Phov btw is still around, just can't raid due to real life circumstances (had a baby), <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Congratulations, mate <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>Thanks - it might have been for the best anyway, cause I was seriously starting to get burned out.  I am starting to miss raiding now, so I figure when I get more time down the road, it will hopefully sort out....and Raist - don't hold your breath</div><hr></blockquote>Am I going mad, or did you really just say that the birth of your child "MIGHT" have been for the best, because you were starting to get burned out with EQ2?  I mean...did you really just say that?</div>

[MeridianR]

<div><blockquote><hr>Zoren Northwood wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>MeridianR wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>CycoDelic wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> MeridianR wrote:Phov btw is still around, just can't raid due to real life circumstances (had a baby), <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Congratulations, mate <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>Thanks - it might have been for the best anyway, cause I was seriously starting to get burned out.  I am starting to miss raiding now, so I figure when I get more time down the road, it will hopefully sort out....and Raist - don't hold your breath</div><hr></blockquote>Am I going mad, or did you really just say that the birth of your child "MIGHT" have been for the best, because you were starting to get burned out with EQ2?  I mean...did you really just say that?</div><hr></blockquote>I swear to god, why do people tend to over analyze my posts......worry about yourself, not me.  </div>

[Caetrel]

Gawd I hate to see the flames on the pally forum can't we all just get along? I will likely swap mains after EoF unless something monumental happens.  I have a 70 mystic and bruiser, both classes my guild lacks, and I am the only pally.  I've been playing since launch and raiding since March-April 05 or so. I don't feel that my paladin is useless, just not as useful as other classes I could play.  If we didn't have 2 awesome guards who show up regularly I could see keeping this toon to MT.  But as joe shmo 700 dps/ heal a bit, rezz you once a minute...I dunno...I honestly can't see the value of that in raids.  I'd also like to add that in the last few months many of my guildies and many players on my servers have levelled alts to 70 either for kicks or to have raid alts to flesh out the lineup.  I do not know anyone who made a paladin alt for raiding lol. <div></div>

[Illyakuran]

<P>I'm not a "high end" or well known paladin but I started a paladin as soon as the Faydark server opened up and played him as my main until level 66, around April, but rarely raided with him. Then I discovered the sheer joy of playing a swashbuckler and raiding 3x a week. My paladin is finally level 70 and still has a warm place in my heart but both my swashbuckler and beserker are, in my opinion, more fun to play.</P> <P> </P>

[Knesh]

Ive been here since the start hehe.

[Gynx20]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kaleyen wrote:<BR>I'm still around, but didn't roll a Paladin til the Venekor server came about (RP-PvP).  Yeah, takes a real man with guts to roll up a Paladin on PvP <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>And yes I'm raiding T7...<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Not been around as a Pali since the start but did start one up on Venekor. </P> <P>Will have to agree with Liluk playing a pali on a PvP server bring about a whole new meaning the the word "frustration"</P> <P>I enjoy playing the underdog though.</P>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<DIV>I've taken the last four weeks off. I got a part in a play IRL, and the performance dates for the event are this weekend. After that I'm back to full time in preparation for EoF.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Whee.</DIV>

[lavasoul]

<DIV>Paladins are still around and hope to see something good for us in EOF. I p layed on blue server from day 1 and got bored of that and now playing on PVP server.</DIV>

[Baut]

<DIV>I've been around since launch and played non stop ever since.  Been raiding Since T5 non stop as well.  I love playing my Pally, the class is definitely made by what you put into it, with it being so diverce you have to know your roles and perform accordingly.</DIV>

[RaistNA]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pathin Merrithay wrote:<BR> <DIV>I've taken the last four weeks off. I got a part in a play IRL, and the performance dates for the event are this weekend. After that I'm back to full time in preparation for EoF.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Whee.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>hrmmm time to make my welcome back saffira macros.............

[holypaladin28]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gynx2003 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kaleyen wrote:<BR>I'm still around, but didn't roll a Paladin til the Venekor server came about (RP-PvP).  Yeah, takes a real man with guts to roll up a Paladin on PvP <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR>And yes I'm raiding T7...<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Not been around as a Pali since the start but did start one up on Venekor. </P> <P>Will have to agree with Liluk playing a pali on a PvP server bring about a whole new meaning the the word "frustration"</P> <P>I enjoy playing the underdog though.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>what are yuo talking about pally being an underdog we get MAD DPS</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>no all joking aside i love being a pally i dont even roll with /anom up i want people to see im a pally.  people underestimate us alot. they see us as an easy status kill when in fact a well geared well played pally hard to kill we just need longer to kill them but hey ill take that and alos take the fact i can not be oneshotted </P>

[uzhiel feathered serpe]

<P>Honestly, I took an EQ II break and been playing PvP over in WoW. EQ II PvP is kinda weak in comparison.</P> <P>Uz is hanging out and waiting for the expansion. At that time I'll dust him off and see what the devs did to improve the class. I've been raiding since Jan od 2005 and I way too frustrated with the system as it stands.</P> <P>Hey Saph and Phov...glad to see you guys still around. :smileyvery-happy:</P>

[Seomon]

<P>Been around since the beginning, and was raiding T5. I had to take a leave of absence for a year (the Army deployed me to Iraq), but I'm back and getting leveled back up, and once I hit 70 I'll be raiding again. I left right after DoF came out and I got level 51, then got on a bird to the desert.</P> <P>The non-raiding paladins that I knew back when I left are gone, and so are the raiding paladins. There's only 1 of my fellow paladin buddies still around on Unrest from the old days, and he wasn't even 50 when I left, but he's raiding T7 now.</P>

[lavasoul]

Hey Seomon, this is Lava that used to play on Unrest. Glad to see that you're back and playing again.

[Male]

<P>I created my paladin day one of release. I've never been hardcore though. I don't raid and I don't post much (as you can see by my post count). I play on Unrest aswell and my paladin's name at creation was Eragon. But because the name was too popular, I made a petition to have it changed before someone else did. Now under the new name Jhalen. Nearly 2 years with the name Eragon then I had it changed. </P> <P>My point being that many may still be around, but perhaps not using the same name for many different reasons. Just a thought :smileyhappy: But I'm also realistic in saying the many also have left for others classes, other games or other facets of life all together. . .or some could just be on a break :smileywink:</P> <P>Sir Jhalen Wright - 70 Paladin - Unrest</P> <P>Maleck Ariakas - 68 Shadowknight - Unrest</P>

[coochic]

<P>    Hey guys, </P> <P> I'm Arkantos Li'Santo lvl 62 pally, I once was guilded with you raist, not sure if you remember. You are a great paladin if i might add. Anyways, to me being a paladin from the crusaders like we come is the role in this game that has the most meaning. I think it's a great class to play, i have a blast with my pally. If we aren't the best at any one thing we are able to do many things and do them pretty good. It's just a great class. I'd like to encourage all the other paladins to remember what this class stands for. </P> <P>Long Live the Queen</P>

[Wulfborne]

<P><~ Paladin from day one and proud of it. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I didn't jump straight onto the boards when I first started up. I wasn't sure about EQ2, since I was so embedded into EQ1 at the time in a high end raiding guild. However, EQ2 proved to be far superior, so it's been well over a year since the last time I even loaded up my EQ1 account.</P> <P>/wave Uz... I wondered where ya got off to man.</P> <P>~Sir Hawke Holyblayde, Hero of Maj'Dul</P>

[Nevar]

Had my pally since I started playing but I just cant take this game anymore  ;(

[MeridianR]

<div><blockquote><hr>Nevarer wrote:<div></div>Had my pally since I started playing but I just cant take this game anymore  ;(<hr></blockquote>/agreeUnless something happens between now and the release of EoF, then I don't see myself ever playing my Paladin again.  Just not going to be worth it.  Add in another Guardian or Zerker for a Paladin, and guilds will work out much better.  Read into that how you want to, but I am sure there are people who understand what I mean.</div>

[Kaleyen]

I've only been raiding T7 for a month and a half on a regular basis and I know what you mean.<div></div>

[Scadie]

<DIV>/agree </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i lost any hope and i have no expectation that the pally communities begs für improvement of a broken class will ever be heard</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>thats really frustrating to see soe is ignoring that they are about to create a declining class (specially in endcontent / raidstuff) : the extinct paladin :smileysad:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Scadie on <span class=date_text>10-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:04 AM</span>

[Nevar]

It isnt that we are broken, its the fact that we are a jack of all trades and we suck [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] at each ( considering what we can be replaced with in a raid situation) thing. I saw no hope, so I got out. But for my guildies who want this game to be good I hope it will be but my opinion of this game and how SOE fixes is shot down the toilet.

[Kaleyen]

<blockquote><hr>Nevarer wrote:<div></div>It isnt that we are broken, <b>its the fact that we are a jack of all trades and we suck [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] at each</b> ( considering what we can be replaced with in a raid situation) thing. I saw no hope, so I got out. But for my guildies who want this game to be good I hope it will be but my opinion of this game and how SOE fixes is shot down the toilet.<hr></blockquote>I have my hopes that with enough forum and feedback and with EoF that something will be changed.  Or have SOE come out and say that they're not going to look into Paladin fixes...just something, all I want...something.<div></div>

[RaistNA]

<DIV>the jack of all trades was GREAT in eq1, where u had 72 people in a raid.  they need to let go of that idea in eq2 tho.  With 24 man raids, there isnt room for a jack of all trades.  24 means at the most, only 1 of each class.  in eq2 u could fit what...3 of each class in a raid?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And yes Ark, i remember my time in legends, and the people in it well.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The new AA's might be interesting.  I was very dissapointed at first, but reading into it, with the changes they are making to stats and such, it might be nice, not 100% sure yet.  The cure will certainly be nice, even tho it is a slap in the face imo.  I mean cure everything BUT physical?  wow way to make our cure's very useless outside of raids.  But o well, the hero's line is nice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Basically i got what i needed to know.  As a hardcore raiding class, we are dieing out slowly.  Although we are going to see raiding brigand population drop to 0 if they keep the changes to AR they are making....gawd that sucks srsly, i enjoyed playing our main brigand in raids when he wasnt around too :smileysad:</DIV>

[MeridianR]

<div><blockquote><hr>Nevarer wrote:<div></div>It isnt that we are broken,<b> its the fact that we are a jack of all trades and we suck [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] at each ( considering what we can be replaced with in a raid situation) thing</b>. I saw no hope, so I got out. But for my guildies who want this game to be good I hope it will be but my opinion of this game and how SOE fixes is shot down the toilet.<hr></blockquote>That is exactly the issue....and before anyone comes and say's something different, read the whole statement....it is about in a raid situation</div>

[Kaleyen]

<div><blockquote><hr>RaistNA wrote:<div>the jack of all trades was GREAT in eq1, where u had 72 people in a raid.  they need to let go of that idea in eq2 tho.  With 24 man raids, there isnt room for a jack of all trades.  24 means at the most, only 1 of each class.  in eq2 u could fit what...3 of each class in a raid?</div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>The only reason why I get 1 spot in our raids is so that our wizard/warlock (whomever gets the amends) can stay alive when they f'up.  So that's my raid utility, or as I'm beginning to see right there...amends on the dress man so he doesn't get pwnd.</div>

[Graxon]

<DIV>I've been playing since beta and have activily been raiding since T5 through to T7 and will continue to do so for some time yet <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </DIV> <P> </P> <P>Graxon</P>

[Nevar]

<DIV>Only thing left to decide is am I selling or not? Should I let someone else play the uberness of Itoock? I dont know ive put alot of time gearing him up. What do yall think <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Cause who knows I may come back, haha</DIV>

[Kaleyen]

Well you might fool someone into think that as a Knight in Plate you can tank so put like...UBER RAID TANK or something like that, use l337 spk.<div></div>

[Nevar]

I am a raid tank I mean I can heal! I dont have uber mit buffs though and taunt procs and I cant blow up my shields oh and I hate bucklers! Not to mention our mit AAs  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><p>Message Edited by Nevarer on <span class=date_text>10-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:03 AM</span>

[MeridianR]

I had thought about selling Phov, but I just can't bring myself to it.  It also has a SWG account attached to it, with my Jedi (when they were actually rare) and my original MMO toon from SWG.....blah, I know Phov would get some decent money, but I don't think I can ever see someone else playing him.<div></div>

[RaistNA]

if i ever leave the game, i wouldnt sell.  Id give my account to my guild to hold onto till i come back if i did, if not id rather raistin fade away and be a memory over someone else playing him and ruining his name.

[Nevar]

<DIV>I put him in Dissos alt guild until I figure out what I want to do. I dont think I can sell either, ive put alot of effort into him just to let someone buy him up.</DIV>

[Seomon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> lavasoul wrote:<BR> Hey Seomon, this is Lava that used to play on Unrest. Glad to see that you're back and playing again.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What the hell are you doing over there? Is Mala still with you guys? If so, tell him to PM me or something.

[lavasoul]

I got tired of PVE so jump to PVP to keep my interest in the game. Man if you ever get bored of PVE come to Nagafen cause we can use badass paladins.

[PulsarBD]

so what do you guys think, WHAT SOE should fix to make us work better?more heals?more mit?more taunt?more DPS?i just read many peops are unhappy with their paladin, but no one really makes a conclusion what should be fixed.if the devs have no clue, let them know what to improve.When i rolled my paladin, i could still select the 3 paths to become zerker, guard or pally and the description of the holy knight who can take damage (hint mitigation and hitpoints??) , fight forces of evil (hint DPS) and be the last man standing so to say, appealed to me most.now i neded up as a support tank to our MT (guard of course) or as MA. i like doing both, but to do raid tanking i lack taunts and mitigation (i wear a mix of fabled and lagendary T7)our prob is were are stuck in between the zerker and the guard, and actually there is not too much room. so the paladins living space is very small. in groups we do very good i think, just raiding we are about least desired class.i feel a bit like itook and i put really too much time and effort into my toon in order to give up yet.i hope EoF will let us shine a bit again<div></div>

[Nevar]

<DIV>being able to do everything is cool , im not sure of your raiding resume but playing a pally in a top guild is boring cause we just blew through everything in 2 nights and you feel like youcould be replaced by something better. IMO soe needs to give us a really good tank line, a good support line ( heals and buffs ) and a decent dps line. Now if they do this then the pally can choose a path and not just float in the middle.</DIV>

[Kenji11]

<DIV>Itoock, I could not agree more. I remember one time I played the Knights of the Old Republic games with my friend on the xbox. In the first one, you would start as a soldier, scout, or scoundrel. You would advance as normalized for your class until you became a jedi, where you would advance as a jedi, but still keep your old abilities.</DIV> <DIV>In KOTOR II you started as a jedi, then eventually ascended to a more powerful and specified version of that form, but again retained some of your old abilities.</DIV> <DIV>That is how a paladin should be. We start out as jack of all trades, and if played well pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] good at em. Then with your KoS AA we can tailor ourselves more towards healing(int 4 4 4 8, wis 4 4 4 <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, dps(str 4 4 8, sta 4 4 8, int 4 4 <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, or tanking (str 4 4 4 8, sta 4 4 8 <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> or whatever combination works for you. I personally have a tanking build of Str 4 4 4 8 8 Sta 4 4 8 5. So I get 10% hate, 9% haste, 22% melee crit, 2.5% extra hp, and an effective 9% reduction to cast and recast time. The last one was a personal preference.</DIV> <DIV>Anyway, in EoF, we should get another 5 AA lines which build off the current ones. A line with increased healing power, less costs for heals, a cure or 2, etc. A line that gives us a bonus for using a 2h, adds something to our off stance like a proc or dps mod, maybe even more melee crit to we crit about 60% of the time on melee and spells. And a line for tanking, with more hate gain, or more hp, some parry would be nice, or have the final AA augment our def stance so it adds a scaling amount of mit and parry. The other 2 lines will probably be utility or some intermediate combination of 2 of the 3 main lines.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Kenji1134 on <span class=date_text>10-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:07 AM</span>

[lavasoul]

<P>I'm waiting to see what EOF has to offer for crusaders as MT role in raiding guilds. ATM I'm just a support tank for our berserk and guardian and I'm not in a high end raiding guild. I have no problem being a support tank but not all guild have all the needed class and like some only has crusader as plate tank in a guild and with tanking ability between a warrior and crusader their is a big gap. </P> <P>Our heals and ward are suppose to make up for some of our lack in being MT for a raid but their casting time are long and we get interrupted which defeats that purpose. With EOF and the new AA line hope we get something to help us and not widen the gap amoung the fighters for role at MT.</P>

[dragonslayer10x]

<DIV>Don't sell Itoock, you will be back one day... hell you could be back in a few weeks if this expansion ends up being decent...   I sold my uber toon in EQ1 and always regretted it. sucks to come back and have to level up again, and your WAY behind in gear etc..  keep him......    just my two cents.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[TheManInTheBox]

<div></div><font face="Comic Sans MS">I didn't apply for beta but I kept up with EQ2 news on a constant basis while I played EQ. I still remember when they launched that website with the first clue of EQ2's coming. It was a image of either Venekor or Darathar. You couldn't see the full screenshot but only the parts your mouse cursor slightly lit up as if it were a torch.I created Rluyen on launch day of EQ2 and I have been playing since.. I'm raiding T7 right now with my guild and having fun. Maybe I'm crazy or just addicted to the EverQuest universe itself.. but EoF has a lot of impact on rather I'll be staying around or not.Edit - I raided somewhat in T5 / T6. I did what raids I could get into as every guild I checked into on my server were not looking to recruit anymore paladins. This held true for quite some time. When I hit T7 I spent a lot of time slacking behind to help level my girlfriend's templar up to 60 so we could level up together in KoS. Afterwards I spent time with a "content" guild "raiding" some T7 zones. We never accomplished much as people always gave up too quickly. So myself, and some friends in the guild packed our bags and left to form our own guild. Probably an idea I should have brought up a while back. We've made some accomplishments and I've enjoyed doing the T7 raid content so far.I can't see myself going back to EQ simply because my old raiding guild with whom I had deep roots with is not anywhere near the same guild it was when I left. When I occasionally log onto EQ 1, the only person I recognize is the leader. Go figure. I'm not going to play WoW simply because it doesn't hit off with me right. ( Nothing against WoW, I have not played it throughly what so ever. So I can't judge a game I have not played. When I tested out the free trial, I just didn't like the feel of it. Thats all ) Overall. I like my paladin but I feel as if I am missing "something". I certainely wouldn't mind more options to make us better at tanking. I was one of those poor souls who believed the whole "All fighters will tank equally in their own unique way" line.  I don't like the idea of being a support class, but if thats the way things go. Then so be it. I'll make the best out of what I get.</font><font face="Comic Sans MS">I can see where you guys are coming from though who have already cleared all the raid content in-game 100%. If I had that under my belt, I would probably be taking a break as well. Don't sell your character though. You never know when you might get that feeling again to play. When my girlfriend quit playing for a while I was tempted to sell her character as I was offered a hefty amount of $$$. Now I am glad I didn't because she is back to playing and raiding again. If I do end up quitting. I definately won't sell my character because just like another poster said. I would rather let Rluyen fade into memory with the good reputation he has, rather than let some newbie / idiot take control of him and ruin it all. I've put a lot of work into my character. ( I spent a while with the CC disks they sent out just designing how I looked. A month or so of tweaks I'd say. Maybe longer. ) Not to mention how it has been trying to get all my spells M1. So yeah, I'd rather let him rot away idle than sell him. I don't think I'll quit though. If it gets to the point where I feel my paladin is not fun on raids/groups anymore I will just roll an alt. I loved playing a rogue in EQ, so I figure if anything just go that road.  <span>:smileywink:</span></font><font face="Comic Sans MS"><span></span></font><div></div><p>Message Edited by TheManInTheBox on <span class=date_text>10-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:44 AM</span>

[RaistNA]

<P>so far EoF lines are lookin like we get everything but what a lot of us asked for.  We get a strong healing line, a strong support line, a very strong dps line....but a very very ugh tank line.  IMO we got screwed...again.  Sk's got a hate increasing line (i Fing kid u not, they gave Sk's more hate increasing abilitys)  The support line is good, increases the % chance for our different buffs to trigger their procs, and so on.  Our dps line seems very nifty, so does our heal line.....but ugh at the hero line.  </P> <P> </P> <P>Its looking like EoF is going to do what i was afraid of.  With the changes to miti comming no one will be at 80%.  What this means is the gap between t7 raiding warriors Vs crusaders will become over larger.  Since capping miti wont be possible it seems, warrior's short duration miti buffers will be SOO Much more useful, making them an even wiser choice over paladins as MT's on raids, cause we just dont get any miti buffs......at all.  Only get 1 somewhat decent tanking ability imo and that is the avoidance increase for shields.  *sigh* TYVM SoE for listening to paladins and not giving us the main thing we asked for.</P>

[MeridianR]

Of course Raistin is speaking in jest, or hypotheticals because he wouldn't want to break the NDA.....but I have heard those same exact things...so take that as you will.As these changes stand, the tanking order should go like:-- Guardian-- Bruiser-- Zerker-- Monk-- Pally / SKGood game!<div></div>

[RaistNA]

<DIV>of course hypathetical.  But u get the jist of it all.  Basically this is how iv seen it</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On release/up into EoF tanking order was</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guardian</DIV> <DIV>Paladin/zerker</DIV> <DIV>Sk</DIV> <DIV>Bruiser</DIV> <DIV>monk</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now it seems to be</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guardian</DIV> <DIV>Zerker</DIV> <DIV>Bruiser</DIV> <DIV>Monk</DIV> <DIV>Paladin/sk</DIV>

[CycoDelic]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nevarer wrote:<BR> <DIV>im not sure of your raiding resume but playing a pally in a top guild is boring cause we just blew through everything in 2 nights and you feel like youcould be replaced by something better. IMO soe needs to give us a really good tank line, a good support line ( heals and buffs ) and a decent dps line. Now if they do this then the pally can choose a path and not just float in the middle.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Its boring in a "medium well" raiding guild as well! :smileyvery-happy: Tank once in while. Heal, ward, intercept (yes, its intercede, I know this, but in vent I just say intercept). I would be more content if I did have the ability to specialize moreso in one area than just be mediocre in all. I see some mentioning current ingame AAs as a means to that... not really. Heal crits and wisdom gains through AA do not make you equal to taking a true healer. DPS and spell/melee crits through AA do not make you equal to a true DPS class. If you want a DPSer who can intercept then take a Zerker. Oh, we can res.... but we usually use bards for that, I wouldnt wanna miss an intercept!</P> <P>Heh. bottom line is, I love my guys and gals for even keeping me around, and not making me reroll! And I do enjoy the class... but Itoock is correct, as a paladin you are extremely replaceable on raids... all things being equal (this means, all good players etc. a good player on a paladin can tank better than a poor one on a guard... you get the drift im certain).</P>

[Lairdragna]

<div><blockquote><hr>Nevarer wrote:<div></div>Had my pally since I started playing but I just cant take this game anymore  ;(<hr></blockquote>Tookie is a liar, he is back in the game, we bullshiiiited for an hour in Qeynos Harbor this evening.... good to have my muse back!</div>

[MeridianR]

Yeah, but he was in Disso's alt guild.....guessing he is kinda doing what I am doing, still playing, just not raiding at the moment, or waiting for his sub to cancel.Seriously, when EoF comes around I would imagine more and more RAIDING paladins (notice the caps) are going to switch classes, or quit.<div></div>

[Goejun]

We do nothing well, that's the problem.All our spell are slow to cast, they consume too much power and they can be be interupted easily.We don't have cures while we are supposed to be tank/healer hybridOur buff are mediocre for self and even worse for group compared to other buff.Our taunting abilites is not even good (yeah, i have all masters taunt spell to say that).Our rez has such a short range that other will rez the dead while u still look for them.Our DPS is ridiculous.Our mitigation buff is ridiculousWe are ok for soloing but so many class do much better (either the faster way or the safer way)We are ok for grouping but every tank is ok for thatWe are bad for raiding (mediocre in support, 3rd choice as MT)To sum up: we do everything but nothing well. We don't shine at healing, dps, buff, debuff, tanking, taunting...To play a Paladin is a leap of faith...a faith that SOE will do something for us and make the paladin fun to play again<div></div>

[Vulkan_NTooki]

<P>Been playing since launch.. :smileyhappy:</P> <P> </P> <P>Lvling up a Brigand now.. how ironic that they nerf this class now that he's getting raid enabled.. :smileyvery-happy:</P>

[Lairdragna]

<div><blockquote><hr>MeridianR wrote:Yeah, but he was in Disso's alt guild.....guessing he is kinda doing what I am doing, still playing, just not raiding at the moment, or waiting for his sub to cancel.Seriously, when EoF comes around I would imagine more and more RAIDING paladins (notice the caps) are going to switch classes, or quit.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Itoock is in leet sauce, he told me last night he is likely to go back to raiding, just logging out when not raiding so he can do the IRL things that make him happy.  Awesome!  That's the way it should be, he can eat his cake and have it too!  I'm glad he is back, it was nice to have one of the top pallies in the game on my server and accessible to chat with, even if he made fun of my axe... meanie barbarian!/head butts tookie's ankle and wobbles away</div>

[Skabanis]

<P>hi Vonbek here...I was a t5 raider killed everything there was in t5 and did most everything in t6...but Dof put a bad taste in my mouth so i quit for 9 months...the game seems fresher and alot more areas to look over and items much much better...the game seems more mature less broken areas and less lagg...unless your in qynos harbor...i love the aa line...</P> <P>just some thoughts.</P> <P>we still have best agrro control. so easy to hold it and there have been plenty of whips in raids cause gaurdian missed mob or taunt got resisted...the wisdom line for aa is ultra sweet...basically up your group for any type mob...no other tanks get that...</P> <P>we are and will always be a hybrid toon...good enough to tank but not 100% of the time and good enough to spot heal and ward...plus mit buff gets me in groups with other tanks for hard hitting mobs...</P> <P>if you go to all the other classes posts on this forum everyone is whinning or crying for uppage...soe see this, they know every class needs to be looked at, some have some havent yet....i think we are up next and it might be worse for us or better, but whatever it is enjoy the game cause we play it for fun and to forget we got bills problems and other worse things like wars going on...</P> <P>happy to be back Love Vonbek The Eternal Champion...</P>

[Sedi]

<DIV>i tanked everything in t5 at 50, everything but ppr and djinn master in t6 at 60, and everything but matron and cheld in t7, can i be one of the cool kids?</DIV><p>Message Edited by Sedila on <span class=date_text>10-31-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:49 AM</span>

[MeridianR]

<div><blockquote><hr>Sedila wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <div>i tanked everything in t5 at 50, everything but ppr and djinn master in t6 at 60, and everything but matron and cheld in t7, can i be one of the cool kids?</div><p>Message Edited by Sedila on <span class="date_text">10-31-2006</span> <span class="time_text">08:49 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I would have said yes, but you didn't tank PPR...so sorry you fell just short of being a cool kid <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Dwergux]

Although I'm not of the most known paladins on this board. I had already retired my paladin (fro various reasons, one of them is my lack of raid tankability, the other is that our guild is already top heavy on paladins (some raids we still have 4 paladins, we are not top notch raiding, but we recently hit Deathtoll for the first time which is quite the accomplishment for us).I'm now playing a troubadour. That class was much needed for our guild too (our only other troubadour grew tired of the game).I still play on Dwergux from time to time, but prefer playing on my Troub for now.Dwergux is a paladin who has been on for a long time (just looked up his stats<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Name DwerguxServer RunnyeyeCity Alignment QeynosCreated November 13, 2004<p>Message Edited by Dwergux on <span class=date_text>11-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:00 PM</span>

[dragonslayer10x]

<DIV>I'm not very hopeful on this change for pally's either. I've been playing since launch and have been in some very high end raiding guilds myself.   I too recently created a Brigand and have leveled to 55 in a few weeks only to find out they are being nerfed.    I'm beyond frustrated, good thing I have a 70 guard to switch to once they wreck my pally further.   I really do love my Paladin though and hope someday down the road they make things right. I'm going to continue to keep him active and as current as I can, but am not sure he wil remain my main raiding toon.    I wish the dev's could show us some love, hell how about Brells for HP buff raid wide or something.. give us SOME reason to be taken on a raid.  Yeah, I love my pally in groups, I'd play him over any other tank class, we can self ward, heal, rez, and hold aggro very very well, but put us into a raid situation and I don't feel as useful.  I'm pretty happy with my dps output, I can do from 700-1200 on raids and think I do pretty good there, but I want to tank as a Paladin from time to time and no guild I have been in yet has any faith in us due to our low avoidance and lousy mitigation.  I am a very very well geared paladin also and yet I will get passed over for a less geared zerker cause there mitigation and hps' can be higher with less gear.      </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kaleyen]

I'm not very hopeful either on if EoF will bring any positive aspects to my class, but I'll continue to play him regardless because it's so hard to level up to 70 on a PvP server...well harder I should say.<div></div>

[Sedi]

only thing EoF adds for pallys is faster recast for healing spells. faster recasts and extra damage for spells. and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] for tanking. there u go, have fun.