Speculation and dreams. (New sub-class Acheivment Points with EoF)

[Geekyone]

<DIV>Anyone have any clue as to what some of ours will be, or could be?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And what is the difference between the KoS acheivment points (class points) and the EoF acheivement points (sub-class points)?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm hopeing for something that will aid us a bit in the DPSage and also help us be able to tank somewhere near as well as Guardians.</DIV>

[DarkRanger77]

<DIV>We already can dps, if a paladin cant put out dps its because he doesnt know how to equip his character or possibly play his class. </DIV>

[ChuMann]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DarkRanger77 wrote:<BR> <DIV>We already can dps, if a paladin cant put out dps its because he doesnt know how to equip his character or possibly play his class. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I'm still not convinced of this.  If you really want to dps as a paladin, then you can, but at a severe cost IMHO.  I've seen a pally max out his dps at 800-900.  And max means using everything... Consecrate, Master abilities, extreme damage focused AA's.  And no way in hell you're hitting 8-900 every encounter.  And if you really think anything below 1,000 is considered real dps, then your damage classes aren't nuking fast enough.  I still think the best role for a pally is the MT, main assist, or off tank for raids.    </P> <P>Edit:  If you're a raid paladin dpser, you might as well be replaced by a zerker... /shrug</P><p>Message Edited by ChuMann on <span class=date_text>09-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:12 PM</span>

[holypaladin28]

<DIV>well i would like evac and tracking.  i would like a mit debuff of say 4k and an attack that hits for 8k in pvp.  oh also i want super heals and buffs.  i always want a selfbuff for 4k mit and 4k to all resists'</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/sarcasm off</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>pallys arent going to be a dps class we are a support class.  i can solo yes but in a group i shin i can heal ward taunt use doom judgement.  we are a versitly class</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if we had the option for more dps but sacrifce something else i would say no ina  heartbeat </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[ChuMann]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> holypaladin2819 wrote:<BR> <DIV>well i would like evac and tracking.  i would like a mit debuff of say 4k and an attack that hits for 8k in pvp.  oh also i want super heals and buffs.  i always want a selfbuff for 4k mit and 4k to all resists'</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/sarcasm off</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>pallys arent going to be a dps class we are a support class.  i can solo yes but in a group i shin i can heal ward taunt use doom judgement.  we are a versitly class</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if we had the option for more dps but sacrifce something else i would say no ina  heartbeat </DIV> <DIV><BR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yaaaaaaaa.... I think you took this a bit too far.  The OP was implying perhaps a slight increase in DPS, a slight increase in tanking quality, etc. etc.  And I agree.  I kinda derailed with my last post, but I"m with the OP on this one.  I don't want to be a guardian though.  When I chose a pally, I knew there would be restrictions and even questions about certain stereotypical tank characteristics that we don't supposedly have.  I do however think it's a bit unfair that warriors get an AA line that adds base mitigation while we're stuck with a broken stoneskin AA (I recently gave that up btw).  It would be nice to be able to move our holy knight in the direction we choose.  I'm kinda tired that every subclass is essentially the same thing.  I was hoping the AA's would fix that, but as it turns out, 90% of the paladins seem to have taken the same AA line. 

[Gwydion20]

<DIV>Paladin basically:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tanks: We need a few AAs to improve this departament</DIV> <DIV>DPS:                     "                                    "</DIV> <DIV>Heals:                   "                                     "</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We want to specialize, so make trees a bit coherent and not the crap KOS achievements were.</DIV>

[Uther2000]

<div><blockquote><hr>Gwydion2000 wrote:  <div>We want to specialize, so make trees a bit coherent and not the crap KOS achievements were.</div><hr></blockquote>I am hoping that is where EoF is taking our characters.I wonder if the AA's will bolster our attacks against Undead . . . hmm, I think we're going to need another level 65-75 all Undead zone.</div>

[Timius_]

<DIV>I'd like to see more undead specific personally, i mean we are Paladins - in theory the bane of Undead - so why do we only have 3 attacks (correct me if i've missed one here) our Glorious strike proc, our grp proc and extinguish will that do more damge to undead ? im not saying ALL our attacks should do double damage, it would be unbalanced. But maybe a few spells that ONLY affect undead ? <shrug> just a thought... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>More than one debuff would also be nice, i know we have doom judgement as well, very useful spell, but for a "utility" class our debuffs are sadly limited. Our one debuff also only really assists our damage - not the raid or group as a whole.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Timius_ on <span class=date_text>09-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:02 AM</span>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

I know!  Your EOF AAs will make you to reduce your fear and less chance to cave-in and wouldn't bow before SK's dark religion for anything that you try to insult them or depiction their own gods...  Your EOF AA will enable you to avenge murders within Paladin community from dark mobs caused by SK community for any trivial freedom of speech you tried to envoy.. Without EOF AA, your religion will continue to weak and hang noose held by dark religions..<p>Message Edited by Nocifer Deathblade on <span class=date_text>09-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:55 AM</span>