ROFL THIS IS FUNNIEST THING I HAVE READ IN LONG TIME

[holypaladin28]

<DIV>i just had an Sk tell me that i roll an easy mode toon.  so my pally is easy mode ROFL.  because you know we get an HT evac FD just like them.  nothing like my pally doing 3k in damage with one attack and then evacing away</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Torbas]

Yeah, paladins rock.  I guess that's why the last time i grouped with one was in t5 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[holypaladin28]

<DIV>they could solo you in pvp </DIV>

[Torbas]

<div></div>Fighting paladins is the most boring pvp experience i can imagine.  It usually involves both of us running oop and running around like chickens with our heads cut off until one of us zones.  Furthermore, you have no metaphorical ground to stand on, having not reached level 70 (or even level 60 for that matter)  the tone of your post and the "capslock is cruise-control for cool" title are also telling.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Torbas on <span class=date_text>09-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:04 PM</span>

[holypaladin28]

<DIV>okay yah they are long fights i will give you that but pallys dont solo ina  group is where they own</DIV>

[Torbas]

Okay... So does your post have a point, or are you just breaking verbal wind?<div></div>

[Turb]

Just another one of those people that give pallys a bad name <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Grimm79]

<DIV>Grimmus here, lvl 70 sk from splitpaw... I think I need my sence of humor updated because I don't get it....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Btw I don't think badly about palladins.</DIV>

[MeridianR]

This is why there should be seperate PvP Class forums.....personally I could care less about how uber a Paladin is at PvP....if it was the uber OP, then how about you get to 70, instead of Cherry Picking people off in there early 50's.kthx<div></div>

[Zo]

heh, I play on a PVP server and this post is still useless..

[Kaleyen]

<div><blockquote><hr>MeridianR wrote:This is why there should be seperate PvP Class forums.....personally I could care less about how uber a Paladin is at PvP....if it was the uber OP, then how about you get to 70, instead of Cherry Picking people off in there early 50's.kthx<div></div><hr></blockquote>Hey hey now!Don't bunch us level 70 Pallys on a PvP server with the sub-T6 Pallys on a PvP server!</div>

[Lifeswor]

Hey don't bunch all of us sub-60 Pallys on a PvP server together either... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[ChopStix]

<P>how long you been in the 50's kalgore looks like atleast a month now, atleast from 53 to 55 has been a month or more..  quit farming the greys and venture to the TT, bonemire and BarrenSky..</P> <P>I hit TT when i was 55, yep just after i tanked the djinn for my carpet [didnt have a high lvl to tank it for us and didnt have anyone on the outside blasting him].. then my group went to TT and started the basket quests.. and the Sanctum is probably the best xp in the game, comparable to HoF.. probably not a 55 though, you need atleast a mid 60's tank.</P> <P>dont forget the writs for the scaleborn, you can knock out several writs for the scaleborns real quick..</P><p>Message Edited by ChopStix on <span class=date_text>09-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:13 AM</span>

[Hamervelder]

<div><blockquote><hr>holypaladin2819 wrote:<div>i just had an Sk tell me that i roll an easy mode toon.  so my pally is easy mode ROFL.  because you know we get an HT evac FD just like them.  nothing like my pally doing 3k in damage with one attack and then evacing away</div> <div> </div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>Having played both paladin and SK at high levels, I have to agree with the SK:  Paladin is an easy class to play.  Your sarcasm aside, most of our (SK) "big" spells are on huge timers.  HT?  15 minutes.  Evac?  30 minutes.  FD?  5 minutes -- which, might I add, is only 20 seconds long, and you have to have yourself (not the mob) selected for it to work.  You get two heals that can be used in less than ten seconds.  Another on a 5-minute timer.  Another on a 15-minute timer.  At lvl 65 or so, you can regenerate well over 5k hp in seconds.  No SK can do that.  When your ward expires, any damage shield left over is converted to a heal.  SK's wards don't do that.You can resurrect a fallen group member in combat.  SK's can't do that.  Having trouble holding agro?  Sigil of Heroism to the rescue.  Won't find a group agro syphon in the SK's spell book.  Got 10 dots on you?  Castigate removes them all.  SK's don't get anything like that, and make no mistake that is a <i>hugely</i> powerful asset.  Want to <i>really</i> grab agro?  Consecrate, your 60-second dot that follows you around will solve that.  SK's don't get anything like that.  I suppose Pestilence comes close, but it's not a fire and forget spell like Castigate is.  SK's have to keep killing enemies within a certain amount of time for Pestilence to keep working.  Paladins don't do as much damage as shadowknights, but all in all, yes, your class is easier to play.  Primarily because you can heal yourself.  Secondarily, because you have a broader range of abilities.  So yes, you <i>are</i> playing an easy class. IMO, paladin is <i>the</i> easy class to play.  You don't kill as fast or as efficiently as other classes, but you have a survivability that many other classes only dream of.</div>

[loveybutt]

<blockquote><hr>Hamervelder wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>holypaladin2819 wrote:<div>i just had an Sk tell me that i roll an easy mode toon.  so my pally is easy mode ROFL.  because you know we get an HT evac FD just like them.  nothing like my pally doing 3k in damage with one attack and then evacing away</div> <div> </div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>Having played both paladin and SK at high levels, I have to agree with the SK:  Paladin is an easy class to play.  Your sarcasm aside, most of our (SK) "big" spells are on huge timers.  HT?  15 minutes.  Evac?  30 minutes.  FD?  5 minutes -- which, might I add, is only 20 seconds long, and you have to have yourself (not the mob) selected for it to work.  You get two heals that can be used in less than ten seconds.  Another on a 5-minute timer.  Another on a 15-minute timer.  At lvl 65 or so, you can regenerate well over 5k hp in seconds.  No SK can do that.  When your ward expires, any damage shield left over is converted to a heal.  SK's wards don't do that.You can resurrect a fallen group member in combat.  SK's can't do that.  Having trouble holding agro?  Sigil of Heroism to the rescue.  Won't find a group agro syphon in the SK's spell book.  Got 10 dots on you?  Castigate removes them all.  SK's don't get anything like that, and make no mistake that is a <i>hugely</i> powerful asset.  Want to <i>really</i> grab agro?  Consecrate, your 60-second dot that follows you around will solve that.  SK's don't get anything like that.  I suppose Pestilence comes close, but it's not a fire and forget spell like Castigate is.  SK's have to keep killing enemies within a certain amount of time for Pestilence to keep working.  Paladins don't do as much damage as shadowknights, but all in all, yes, your class is easier to play.  Primarily because you can heal yourself.  Secondarily, because you have a broader range of abilities.  So yes, you <i>are</i> playing an easy class. IMO, paladin is <i>the</i> easy class to play.  You don't kill as fast or as efficiently as other classes, but you have a survivability that many other classes only dream of.</div><hr></blockquote>You do know this is Pvp pally we're talkin about here... way different then pve pally... and how does a lvl 50 something "cherry pick" ppl off, when we have no snare or really anyway to keep ppl from running off...Really though, I want to know, my pally's in its 40's now and im lookin for any advice i can get...cause unless we get some insane uppage in dps after 59 (pve pally only went that high), pretty sure we dont have anything that can just lay an enemy out flat that quick... something like..oh i dont know, a harm-touch line..and a pet that they can send ever minute or so (versus our so-so heal that has a 5 minute recast).... and yes we get a 15 minute big heal, but doesnt even come close to harmtouch (and cant be increased with int like ht)..anywho, not that i think pally is a sucky pvp class, cause i enjoy it, just i fail to see how  anyone can call pally class an easy mode class.. and since when is being lvl 70 the ultimate? at 70, you still only get fame from ppl 10 lvls lower, just like a lvl 50 would, except a 50 also has to deal with ppl 20 lvls higher screwin with em, so if someone wants to take their time at a lower lvl, with a class that DOESNT stealth in, do several k damage and evac out for the easy-mode kill, all the mroe power to em..dont plan on stayin 40 long myself, gonna get to 70 as fast as i can but thats just me... maybe all you lvl 70's are jealous cause ya didnt stay longer to smell the roses.i wish i didnt power lvl my troub to 70 (talk about easy-mode class woo)...<div></div>

[holypaladin28]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChopStix wrote:<BR> <P>how long you been in the 50's kalgore looks like atleast a month now, atleast from 53 to 55 has been a month or more..  quit farming the greys and venture to the TT, bonemire and BarrenSky..</P> <P>I hit TT when i was 55, yep just after i tanked the djinn for my carpet [didnt have a high lvl to tank it for us and didnt have anyone on the outside blasting him].. then my group went to TT and started the basket quests.. and the Sanctum is probably the best xp in the game, comparable to HoF.. probably not a 55 though, you need atleast a mid 60's tank.</P> <P>dont forget the writs for the scaleborn, you can knock out several writs for the scaleborns real quick..</P> <P>Message Edited by ChopStix on <SPAN class=date_text>09-14-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:13 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>i lvl off of pvp kills until i finish collecciting certain lvl 60-65 stuff.  i can take a mob 5 lvl higher no prob im not worried about it im just waiting for the est of my pvp group to catch up.  they are from lvl 47 to 53 so i dont wanna go to far with out them.  as for farming greys i could do that better at lvl 70 then at lvl 55 so quite

[holypaladin28]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE>You do know this is Pvp pally we're talkin about here... way different then pve pally... and how does a lvl 50 something "cherry pick" ppl off, when we have no snare or really anyway to keep ppl from running off...Really though, I want to know, my pally's in its 40's now and im lookin for any advice i can get...cause unless we get some insane uppage in dps after 59 (pve pally only went that high), pretty sure we dont have anything that can just lay an enemy out flat that quick... something like..oh i dont know, a harm-touch line..and a pet that they can send ever minute or so (versus our so-so heal that has a 5 minute recast).... and yes we get a 15 minute big heal, but doesnt even come close to harmtouch (and cant be increased with int like ht)..anywho, not that i think pally is a sucky pvp class, cause i enjoy it, just i fail to see how  anyone can call pally class an easy mode class..<BR><BR>and since when is being lvl 70 the ultimate? at 70, you still only get fame from ppl 10 lvls lower, just like a lvl 50 would, except a 50 also has to deal with ppl 20 lvls higher screwin with em, so if someone wants to take their time at a lower lvl, with a class that DOESNT stealth in, do several k damage and evac out for the easy-mode kill, all the mroe power to em..dont plan on stayin 40 long myself, gonna get to 70 as fast as i can but thats just me... maybe all you lvl 70's are jealous cause ya didnt stay longer to smell the roses.i wish i didnt power lvl my troub to 70 (talk about easy-mode class woo)...<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>i dont have any of those spells they are talking about. because im lvl 55 but i managed to be number one pally on vox and 7th or 8th worldwide.</P> <P>and i wanna enjoy the content get AA save up my loot and seeing how i have heard T7 pvp sucks on vox im in no hurry to lvl there until more people do the same.   </P>

[Darlion]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Hamervelder wrote:<BR> <DIV>You can resurrect a fallen group member in combat.  SK's can't do that.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Having trouble holding agro?  Sigil of Heroism to the rescue.  Won't find a group agro syphon in the SK's spell book.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Got 10 dots on you?  Castigate removes them all.  SK's don't get anything like that, and make no mistake that is a <I>hugely</I> powerful asset.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Want to <I>really</I> grab agro?  Consecrate, your 60-second dot that follows you around will solve that.  SK's don't get anything like that.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>1. Who rezs someone in combat in pvp? I mean honestly? What tank would stop taunting to rez someone?<BR>2. Yes, sigil is the bomb in pvp. It makes me a guardian for 15 seconds. Good, but not ground breaking.<BR>3. Castigate clears 3 at most at master. GG<BR>4. Consecrate is useless unless you have a troub, and it definately doesn't draw any agro.<BR></P> <P>So... I'll trade consecrate and my rez for an evac and harm touch in pvp, hell, I'll throw in sigil too.</P>

[treedo]

<div><blockquote><hr>Darlion wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr></blockquote>So... I'll trade consecrate and my rez for an evac and harm touch in pvp, hell, I'll throw in sigil too.<hr></blockquote>There is of coarse a way to trade those skills you speak of, and the dark side calls many an adventurer</div>

[Hamervelder]

<div><blockquote><hr>Darlion wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Hamervelder wrote: <div>You can resurrect a fallen group member in combat.  SK's can't do that.  </div> <div> </div> <div>Having trouble holding agro?  Sigil of Heroism to the rescue.  Won't find a group agro syphon in the SK's spell book.  </div> <div> </div> <div>Got 10 dots on you?  Castigate removes them all.  SK's don't get anything like that, and make no mistake that is a <i>hugely</i> powerful asset.  </div> <div> </div> <div>Want to <i>really</i> grab agro?  Consecrate, your 60-second dot that follows you around will solve that.  SK's don't get anything like that.</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>1. Who rezs someone in combat in pvp? I mean honestly? What tank would stop taunting to rez someone?2. Yes, sigil is the bomb in pvp. It makes me a guardian for 15 seconds. Good, but not ground breaking.3. Castigate clears 3 at most at master. GG4. Consecrate is useless unless you have a troub, and it definately doesn't draw any agro.</p> <p>So... I'll trade consecrate and my rez for an evac and harm touch in pvp, hell, I'll throw in sigil too.</p><hr></blockquote>1.  Depends on the situation.2.  It's still something SK's don't get.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />3.  Still more than SK's get.  4.  This is untrue.  Wholly untrue.As far as HT goes, it is <i>not</i> the boon that people seem to think it is.  Think of Harm Touch as your once-every-fifteen-minutes fun spell.  It might hit for 60 - 70% of the rated damage in PvP, unless you're lucky enough to get a critical hit.  And if your opponent has high disease resistance, forget it.  Fact of the matter is, paladin <i>is</i> an easy class to play, whether it's PvP or PvE.  </div>

[enjoilab]

try lvling up a pally to 70 on a pvp server then tell me its easy...sk is easy in pvp compared to a dpsless / crappy healer / long cast time...look around and get a lvl 70 on pvp then you maybe inlightened like some of us real pvpers

[Hamervelder]

<div><blockquote><hr>enjoilabel wrote:<div></div>try lvling up a pally to 70 on a pvp server then tell me its easy...sk is easy in pvp compared to a dpsless / crappy healer / long cast time...look around and get a lvl 70 on pvp then you maybe inlightened like some of us real pvpers<hr></blockquote>[Removed for Content]!  You talk as if you've somehow completed a great feat by reaching lvl 70 or by playing on a pvp server.  Forgive me, worthy lord, for not recognizing how great of a person you are for *gasp*  playing pvp.</div>

[ChopStix]

<P>pvp is alot different than pve. and hitting lvl 70 on a pvp server can and is alot harder than on a pve server, takes probably twice the time to do it......</P> <P> </P> <P>you shouldnt comment on a pvp server if you havent played on one.</P> <P> </P> <P>i was probably the 2nd or 3rd paladin to hit 70 on VoX..</P>

[enjoilab]

do you realize how many times you die on a pvp server and how much time is taken away when you pvp rather than xp...of course you dont...so please just try lvling a toon up on a pvp server qeynos side...you will be sadly mistaken if you think you can get to 70 anytime soon

[ChopStix]

<P>i did power level my beserker to 39 in a week and a half though... thank god for splitpaw and bloodlines.. nows the time to work nek castle..</P> <P> </P> <P> i know the hardest part leveling is from 50 on though.. and it is a long grind and a pvp fest from 50 on... did they fix the higher level instance of nek castle?</P> <P> </P>

[enjoilab]

my guildies got you beat he lvled a mystic up to 41 in barely a week

[Hamervelder]

<div><blockquote><hr>enjoilabel wrote:<div></div>do you realize how many times you die on a pvp server and how much time is taken away when you pvp rather than xp...of course you dont...so please just try lvling a toon up on a pvp server qeynos side...you will be sadly mistaken if you think you can get to 70 anytime soon<hr></blockquote>Do you know I was one of the founding members of Pandemonium on Venekor, or that my fury was in the top 10 on the server until I got bored, deleted the toon, and went back to AB?  Of course you don't.  Perhaps you should know something about the person to whom you are speaking before putting your foot in your mouth.  </div>

[enjoilab]

wow you played on my server oh wow...and you were a freep fury wow...your just telling me you grinded through everything with easy mode on and with an easy pvp class...

[Hamervelder]

<div><blockquote><hr>enjoilabel wrote:<div></div>wow you played on my server oh wow...and you were a freep fury wow...your just telling me you grinded through everything with easy mode on and with an easy pvp class...<hr></blockquote>*chuckles*  Nothing was easy with Exile camping every spawn point, as well as the lowbie zones.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  As for fury being an easy pvp class, yes and no.  Plate-wearers were easy fodder, as were casters.  But if I ran into a scout or a monk, forget it.  I was just fodder for someone's infamy for a swashy or a monk.</div>

[Lord_Quaymar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> holypaladin2819 wrote:<BR> <DIV>okay yah they are long fights i will give you that but <FONT color=#ffff33>pallys dont solo.</FONT> In a  group is where they own.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Huh??? Paladins are a great solo class. I soloed all the way to 70 so I can say that you are completely incorrect there.</P> <P>As for the PvP stuff....I can't comment because I detest PvP. <BR></P> <P> </P>

[Hamervelder]

<div><blockquote><hr>LordQuaymar wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> holypaladin2819 wrote: <div>okay yah they are long fights i will give you that but <font color="#ffff33">pallys dont solo.</font> In a  group is where they own.</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Huh??? Paladins are a great solo class. I soloed all the way to 70 so I can say that you are completely incorrect there.</p> <p>As for the PvP stuff....I can't comment because I detest PvP. </p> <hr></blockquote>Agreed.  I mostly duoed and soloed my way to 69, before I realized I was bored after playing paladin for a year and switching to SK.  Paladins may not solo fast, but IMO, paladin is the <i>safest</i> solo class.  If you can't solo as a paladin, it's because you don't know your class well enough, or because your gear/spells aren't high enough quality.</div>