Corrections to the "I Suck Theory"

[therodge]

<DIV>1 dps lower than guardian</DIV> <DIV>this depends on charicter and gear and mainly skill let me explain</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>this seems to be a not so well known fact that auto attack dosent "stop its loop" during combat arts meaning if you just spam buttons you will loose dps, good tactic grab a greater delay weopon 2.5 is good ( if got haste might want it bigger than that) time your cast and spells off your outo attack as soon as swings over cast a CA when it finishes you wil get your next auto attack swing etc.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>obviously a raid geared guardian is gonna out dps a soling pally cant do much their</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. guardians tank better than paladins</DIV> <DIV>incorrect clearing this up guardians RAID tank slightly better than paladins, but any paladin can tank any raid mob if appropraitly geared. group wise we beat out a guardian, in agroo managment sometimes super easily if got a good group set up and in groups damage wont usually be to much a problem. (proof i am a 61 paladin i tanked bottom floor sos mobs had 1 death entire day was their for like 4 hours had a good healer and a good group but watched 65 guardians be owned by the horricfic pathing down their)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3. i cant hold agroo</DIV> <DIV>this means 1. your amends sucks or you are using it on wrong person</DIV> <DIV>i am not uber i have amends adept 1 (saving for master 1) i beleve its a 31% suck hate at that level (might be 39) in a group with a wizard a defeiler a brigdan an assasin me and a coercer amended the wizard could basicly button mash tuants and was fine</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3a. sheild bash is a huge tuant if you are stupid enough to tank without a sheild then i can see why you think you suck</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3b i loose agroo now and then if my tuants were all master 1 i could probobly fall asleep with a bird pecking away on my keys and keep agroo i do well with adept ones. i dont understand the agroo problem</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4. well i always get passed up for (insert class here) </DIV> <DIV>this means 1 of two things:</DIV> <DIV>A: you have a bad reputation</DIV> <DIV>B: your server has alot of paladins with bad reps.</DIV> <DIV>solution : give them a better rep work hard upgrade spells ( farm if ya gotta) and youll be set</DIV><p>Message Edited by therodge on <span class=date_text>08-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:43 PM</span>

[MeridianR]

I stopped reading after you said L61 Paladin and compared tanking the bottom floor of SoS to points made in the other threads.<div></div>

[Dasein]

<hr size="2" width="100%">I stopped reading after you said L61 Paladin and compared tanking the bottom floor of SoS to points made in the other threads. <hr size="2" width="100%">So you're saying you ignore arguments simply because of the person making the argument? I'd think one would want to avoid advertising their poor logic skills, but what do I know, I'm just a troll? <div></div>

[Majorminor]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caswydian wrote:<BR> <HR width="100%" SIZE=2> I stopped reading after you said L61 Paladin and compared tanking the bottom floor of SoS to points made in the other threads. <HR width="100%" SIZE=2> So you're saying you ignore arguments simply because of the person making the argument? I'd think one would want to avoid advertising their poor logic skills, but what do I know, I'm just a troll?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The arguments/discusions or raid talks more or less.  So Yes, a person talking about bottom floor in SoS doesn't compare to a raid.  Not to take away from what he does/can do, just can't compare apples and oranges is all that's being said there.</DIV>

[Wabit]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MeridianR wrote:<BR>I stopped reading after you said L61 Paladin and compared tanking the bottom floor of SoS to points made in the other threads.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>/agree...</P> <P>paly can tank everything in the game is correct...  not as easily as warriors can, equal geared they paly has ~200 less mita (with tablet), and ~700 less HP...</P> <P>paly do less dps than a buckler speced guard, i don't care what spec he has or what group hes in, i'll out dps them every fight unless i turn my back to the mob and fall asleep...</P> <P>the difference comes entirely from AAs, warriors are great, crusaders are [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]...</P> <P>for groups any tank class will do fine... soloing brawler > crusader > warrior...  raid warrior > crusader > brawler...  the raiding aspect is where the several page long posts come from in other forums (i'm staying out of those, cause its the same argument for the 10000000000x over, and until a red name says something its just gonna be a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]fest)...</P>

[MeridianR]

<div><blockquote><hr>Wabit wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> MeridianR wrote:I stopped reading after you said L61 Paladin and compared tanking the bottom floor of SoS to points made in the other threads. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>/agree...</p> <p>paly can tank everything in the game is correct...  not as easily as warriors can, equal geared they paly has ~200 less mita (with tablet), and ~700 less HP...</p> <p>paly do less dps than a buckler speced guard, i don't care what spec he has or what group hes in, i'll out dps them every fight unless i turn my back to the mob and fall asleep...</p> <p>the difference comes entirely from AAs, warriors are great, crusaders are [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]...</p> <p>for groups any tank class will do fine... soloing brawler > crusader > warrior...  raid warrior > crusader > brawler...  the raiding aspect is where the several page long posts come from in other forums (i'm staying out of those, cause its the same argument for the 10000000000x over, and until a red name says something its just gonna be a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]fest)...</p><hr></blockquote>Thank you, that is exactly what the other threads try to convey....and it's nice to see a Warrior agree with it.As for the famous little troll who has no clue what they are talking about - the post below yours says' it for me......my arguments are based on certain things, and reading people who have no clue about the level that I (and some other posters) play at has no validity to what my posts are based about.I have said numerous times I have no problems with people making arguments against mine, and / or arguments about the group, solo aspects of the game....but until they have the experience that I do, they can't in all honesty have the facts needed to make those arguments.</div>

[Xoen Miller]

<P>Ding Ding Ding we have a winner... </P> <P>Tell-Um what he has one BoB!!!</P> <P> </P> <P>Oh and Phov i will let you use my pants if you call me Ubah.</P> <P>J/K you will get-um soon enuf.</P> <P>Still would have liked my helm first though... 20 plus lab raids and still never seen any vin. Armor /cry..</P> <P>Fight The Good Fight</P>

[MeridianR]

<div><blockquote><hr>Xoen Miller wrote:<div></div> <p>Ding Ding Ding we have a winner... </p> <p>Tell-Um what he has one BoB!!!</p> <p>Oh and Phov i will let you use my pants if you call me Ubah.</p> <p>J/K you will get-um soon enuf.</p> <p>Still would have liked my helm first though... 20 plus lab raids and still never seen any vin. Armor /cry..</p> <p>Fight The Good Fight</p><hr></blockquote>Not sure if you were still in the channel, but he ended up dropping his earring, and leather boots..... /sigh - no pants for Phov...</div>

[ChopStix]

<DIV>we done a lab run this sunday, and 4 masters dropped, 2 with relic cloth, 1 relic chain, and 1 relic spaulders, and bracers... and i didnt get squat..  arggh, we doin it again tonight..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>we ran labs friday night and got 1 master chest.. wasnt even worth running that night, but i do it for practice though, i want to  figure the pally class out... still trying to get some better armor.. and saving the dkp!! i want some leggings and boots, that xegonite i have is so old now :]</DIV>

[therodge]

<P>True i have not seen as much of thegame as you no doubt it that, but i have seen a large majority of it, and as far as my level being 61 would it matter if i were 70? if so i can come back in a week and repost. the fact is my point is  not null and void becuase i am 61. Also even though i may be that level it if for no other reason then i tend to not care about leveling and help my guildies and other players as much as i can whitch was the point of this originally fairly constructive post and wasent nessasarily directed tword the raid aspect of the game or even nessisarilly high end.</P> <P>i will admit the paladin class could use some minor tweaking in the dps department (although on a 24 person raid which guessing by your post seems to be your area of specialty, your dps dosent really matter) and our AA lines need to be looked at, but it isnt fair to expect that a paladi tank better than a guardian, we have more utility in other areas of the game, guardians are more raid oreinted and should stay that way ( although i beileve zerkers should be eather equal or slightly under us do to dps)  </P> <P>their is no use in shooting down a post becuase of a very situational downfall of a class if i would have titled this corrections to the "I SUCK THEORY AT HIGH END RAID CONTENT" or something i would probobly deserve to be shot down and burned, but i didnt.</P> <P> </P> <P>edit: oh yes and the SoS thing once again not seeing why this isnt valid im not talking about was talking about grouping  and doing well against mobs substatially stronger than me and the rest of my group and comparing t do a seprate group of people higher level doing worse than us seems pretty valid to me</P> <P>ps. feel free to Argue (spelling bad) your point more dosent really matter though point of post was to get my ideas acrossed</P> <P>you know what they say arguing on the internet is like winning the special olimpycs, eather way your still retarted</P><p>Message Edited by therodge on <span class=date_text>08-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:05 AM</span>

[Canel]

Well--I can (and I know many others can as well) but I can tank raidmobs/raids w/some major pwr drainage (not sure bout the other Pallys who know how to play themselves instead of the wannabies who say they're good and compare themselves up to warriors) but with total ease. Give me a Conj and Necro in the raid so I get my shards/hearts-Ill keep those mobs coming. Give me a brawler/dps for amends-wont loose aggro. Give me a MA who knows what he/her's doing--Ill make sure I got all the mobs. Simple as that.

[MeridianR]

<DIV>I had a response to the above post typed out, but then I realized it doesn't matter because the above poster is in a guild on my server.....and I know what content he has, and hasn't raided......so it just wasn't worth it.</DIV>