Tanking tid bit

[Quda]

<DIV>Just trying to pass some useful information to fellow tanks.  If you have a warlock and a assisan in the group, you are going to have to change your amends for what mobs your going to fight.  If your about to pull a large group of down arrows, your amends better be on the warlock, or you will have a dead squishy.  If your going to pull a single mob then change your amends to the assisan.  Learned this in SoS the other night.  After I figured this out, I had no problem holding agro.</DIV>

[Aamad]

I've never placed amends on an assassin with a warlock or other caster in group. Thats why assassin's have a hate transfer......If you aren't holding aggro on single ups something is wrong somewhere.<div></div>

[Rocksthemic]

<blockquote><hr>Quda44 wrote:<div>Just trying to pass some useful information to fellow tanks.  If you have a warlock and a assisan in the group, you are going to have to change your amends for what mobs your going to fight.  If your about to pull a large group of down arrows, your amends better be on the warlock, or you will have a dead squishy.  If your going to pull a single mob then change your amends to the assisan.  Learned this in SoS the other night.  After I figured this out, I had no problem holding agro.</div><hr></blockquote> sounds like there could have been a few different things going wrong Either your assassin had all master 1 combat arts and your warlock had adept 1 You used sigil of heroism, thus breaking the hate transfer from the assassin to you and he didn't recast it. The assassin wasn't bothering to assist you. With hate transfer from assassin and amends on warlock, you should like NEVER lose aggro (maybe 1 out of 100 pulls you lose it for a period of 1 second or less) Thundaarr Unrest <Nightcap><div></div>

[Canel]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rocksthemic wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Quda44 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Just trying to pass some useful information to fellow tanks.  If you have a warlock and a assisan in the group, you are going to have to change your amends for what mobs your going to fight.  If your about to pull a large group of down arrows, your amends better be on the warlock, or you will have a dead squishy.  If your going to pull a single mob then change your amends to the assisan.  Learned this in SoS the other night.  After I figured this out, I had no problem holding agro.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>sounds like there could have been a few different things going wrong<BR><BR>Either your assassin had all master 1 combat arts and your warlock had adept 1<BR>You used sigil of heroism, thus breaking the hate transfer from the assassin to you and he didn't recast it.<BR>The assassin wasn't bothering to assist you.<BR><BR>With hate transfer from assassin and amends on warlock, you should like NEVER lose aggro (maybe 1 out of 100 pulls you lose it for a period of 1 second or less)<BR><BR>Thundaarr<BR>Unrest<BR><Nightcap><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Can't say how true this is--and if your taunts are at app1--there's your problem as well.</P> <P>As a tank, you should always check for:</P> <P>-Any and all hate transfers that any other players in your group that have hate dumps should be checked to be on-and be checked after each death and/or every time you loose aggro quickly and not gained back</P> <P>-To ask your group for who should Amends go on--if someone says themselves and then several fights in a row another group member Amends should be recast on that member and see how that goes--if the person who previously had Amends on gains aggro-as a tank it is your job to tell both players to tone it down or if they gain aggro it's their deal.</P> <P>-It is your responcabilty to have ALL YOUR TAUNTS AT AT LEAST ADEPT 1 (even then-that's really pushing it [especially since master drops are more often and it is much easier to accumulate the amount of cash to at least make adept 3s for your taunts]). </P> <P>-It is morally wrong to pull a orange/red mob to you and die in 2 hits (it is the healer(s) responcabilty to keep heals on you ect. but nontheless). That kind of situation just shows your lack of updating armor/ bad judgement of pulls/not being responceable enough to call out wards/reactives.</P> <P>There are many more basic guidelines-but these I believe are among the most important to know/acknowledge--anyone else feel free to put in more:smileywink:<BR></P>

[Geekyone]

<DIV>I'm a 66 pally.  I was in SoS last night with a group.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Had amends on the 70 warlock.  Had a 65 Brigand who could steal aggro ever fight...and did.  It didnt' seem to bother anyone because he usually stole aggro when the mob was just about dead.  The mob would swing at him 1 or twice and then it'd die.  I have Rightouness(sp?) at Master 2 and it's what I pull with.  And almost ever time reguardless of how often I did my sheild bash and taunts he could steal aggro at will.  Luckly he was smart enough to figure this out and only use it at the end of fights.</DIV>

[MeridianR]

Brigands are very strange when it comes to aggro, the only thing that saves them a lot is the fact that they have a couple nice de-aggros'.....but some of there skills are direct hate increasers as well....besides a good Brig will outdps a good Warlock all the time, so amends the Brig <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />...and all my taunts are App2, does that make me a bad tank?<div></div>

[Quda]

<P>I guess there was some mis understanding.  I had no problems holding agro, and my spells are upgraded.  Also when I said singles, I ment x3 heroic by himself, a single or only 1 3x heroic, as opposed to a group of mobs.  No one died because I had aggro the whole time.</P> <P>Just saying evalute your group.  If you have a class in your group that does outstanding against a group of mobs like a warlock, put admends on him if your about to pull a group of mobs.  If your about to pull 1 3x heroic then have your admends on the class that does better against a single encounter.  A assisan or brig scout class will out dps a warlock in a single encounter.  Where a warlock will out dps a scout class against a group of mobs.  So change your admends.  Both the Assisan and the warlock was amazed how I was able to hold agro with them going all out, because I was able to figure this out.</P>

[Boethius_Permafrost]

If you swap amends on and off of an assassin, you're not going to get the benefit of murderous designs.  Personally, if I have a warlock, that's where amends stays all the time.  If a scout consistently pulls agro, it's their fault, so I'm not going to worry about it, but I really don't see that happening with a warlock in the group, and especially not with an assassin.<div></div>