What have you tanked in t7?

[Caetrel]

I feel a little guilty for knocking paladins as raid viable toons in other threads.   I think we need a little love, and I think most players underestimate us.  For these reasons I can't really endorse anyone who wants to raid becoming a pally unless they really love the class. So on a positive note, how many of us MT on raids and what have you tanked?  If you say everything make sure that includes contesteds and Cheldrak. I do not generally MT for my guild but have tanked all of Lyceum, Labs, Talendor, Harla, Pantrillo, Ascent x2, Hurler and Fitzpizzle, AD/ virulent thingie in DT, Crab lol, Nizara if that counts for anything.  Have not tanked in HoS that I remember.  These are all relatively easy mobs granted. Are there alot of pallies MTing out there? Anyone MT Cheldrak, or even MO, Tarrinax? <div></div>

[Nevar]

<DIV>Ive taked just about every epic mob in kos but Chel drak. Me tanking usually depends on if our guardian is logged in. I know my role in a raid so not tanking doesnt bother me like it does most of you.</DIV>

[MeridianR]

<div>I mostly OT, but I have tanked mostly everything except a few- MO and Chel'drak / Matron, but there might be other random mobs I haven't.....guardians are the better choice for it, but we can do it is needed.</div>

[Scadie]

I´ve tanked every T7 Mob. But the most time a guardian will be the first choice of probably every guild. But like Itoock, i know my role in a raid even if i´m not the mt.

[Mmgehenna]

There is no question that a properly geared Pally can tank any mob in the game.  I'm not our MT (we use a Guardian) but I'm able to stand side by side with him swapping aggro with us both staying alive.  I have MT Tarrinax because for some reason I get the aggro anyway so why waste the buffs.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Sabrekong]

The only mob that I haven't tanked T7 wise would be Chel`Drak....on that raid I'm in charge of keeping all the adds in 1 place and not running around rampant, other than him I've tanked everything under the sun just about lol...prob my most favorite fight to date are the 3 Princes...that whole square dance you and the other 2 tanks have to do with the mobs is freaking awesome! =P

[Cidal]

<P>Heroics and epic trash only. </P> <P>For the real kills, I stay in my lane.  I like to think of myself as a <FONT color=#66ff00>combat medic</FONT>.  I can get some damage in, usually between spam-wards, heals, and running around rezzing the cloth classes.</P>

[Pugzilla]

<P><FONT size=4>First of all I'd like to say hello to everyone. I have a well equipped level 70 paladin in a raid guild that I've played since the week of launch. I haven't posted here before but feel it's necessary, though probably pointless to do so now.  </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4>I</FONT> <FONT size=4>dont want this to come across as complaining or whining, but I feel it's time to let my observations and feelings be known regarding how I feel the class of paladin has been maligned in regards to tanking. For example, even though I've been with my guild a long time (well over a year) and play the class well if I do say so myself. I get just about zero respect from many of my guild mates as a tank in spite of having proven myself as being at least a capable raid tank on a number of occasions. I wont mention the guild's name so as to be more respectful of them than many of them have been to me.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4>And while it's good to see players like Itoock and Phov who have proven that even heavy named mobs can be taken down with a paladin at the helm I do think that some adjustments to our skill set should be made (exactly what is another story for another time). But I have really given up hope that the development team will ever address any of these issues for a number of reasons. While I dont believe the difference between the tanking plate fighter classes are as pronounced as many people believe, a little tweaking seems in order not only for paladins but others as well.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4>And to make matters even worse, there are a few paladins who seem to like being relegated to the role of rezbot on raids. It's unfortunate when the secondary skills of any class become the primary focus. This isn't intended to insult anyone, but those that make such statements, even though they are likely a small minority, help to insure that these issues will continue to be completely ignored. Although I must say that the anti-paladin sentiment among some players has grown to such a degree of negativity that it isn't likely that even if the developers were to take another look at tanking issues that it would matter (and to say that it isn't likely to happen is a gross understatement). Perception often rules over reality. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4>In order to not get too long winded on a first post I'll close out with a final question. Itoock and Phov stated that when they weren't tanking that they knew their "place" in a raid. May I please ask what you consider that place to be?  Though I wouldn't really want to be MT on every mob in every raid it looks like it's time to go level my guardian.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=4></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=4></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=4></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=4></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=4></FONT> </P><p>Message Edited by Pugzilla on <span class=date_text>07-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:00 AM</span>

[Wulfborne]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pugzilla wrote:<BR> <P><FONT size=4>And while it's good to see players like Itoock and Phov who have proven that even heavy named mobs can be taken down with a paladin at the helm I do think that some adjustments to our skill set should be made (exactly what is another story for another time). But I have really given up hope that the development team will ever address any of these issues for a number of reasons. While I dont believe the difference between the tanking plate fighter classes are as pronounced as many people believe, a little tweaking seems in order not only for paladins but others as well.</FONT><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I agree completely. I like that we *can* tank things, but would like it if we got a little tweaking to make us more viable options. I don't want to be a guardian - don't get me wrong - but I think with a little more adjustment, we'd not feel that we had to be in the absolute top end equipment and master spells in order to take a shot at the MT position.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pugzilla wrote: <P><FONT size=4>And to make matters even worse, there are a few paladins who seem to like being relegated to the role of rezbot on raids. It's unfortunate when the secondary skills of any class become the primary focus. This isn't intended to insult anyone, but those that make such statements, even though they are likely a small minority, help to insure that these issues will continue to be completely ignored. Although I must say that the anti-paladin sentiment among some players has grown to such a degree of negativity that it isn't likely that even if the developers were to take another look at tanking issues that it would matter (and to say that it isn't likely to happen is a gross understatement). Perception often rules over reality. </FONT><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Here is where I have to respectfully disagree. People like to play their characters in different ways. Just because some of us want to be viable options for a raid MT doesn't mean everyone should feel that same burning desire. Thus, because some people come onto the boards and state that they kind-of like "where they are" now doesn't necessarily invalidate the others wanting a little more plausibility as a MT. I believe the devs are intelligent enough to understand this, and so wouldn't just elect to throw out opinions of some based on opinions of others without really researching it themselves.<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pugzilla wrote:<BR> <P><FONT size=4>In order to not get too long winded on a first post I'll close out with a final question. Itoock and Phov stated that when they weren't tanking that they knew their "place" in a raid. May I please ask what you consider that place to be?  Though I wouldn't really want to be MT on every mob in every raid it looks like it's time to go level my guardian.</FONT><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I think you're not going to liek the answer, but I'm pretty certain I know what it will be. At present, a warrior (guardian or berserker) have enough of a benefit over a crusader that most guilds will ALWAYS choose the warrior over the crusader as MT. This usually places the crusader in a position of OT, while often donating an AC buff and possibly our additional avoidance check to the MT, healing and warding and rezzing where needed. In short, a "support role". I'm pretty certain that's what they are implying, since until we get that tweaking for MT purposes, guilds will always want to make the most of what they have available. It's just too much of a fight to be worth it at present to change their minds.</P> <P>~Sir Hawke Holyblayde, Hero of Maj'Dul<BR></P>

[Leawyn]

<P>You can level up your guardian all you want. Are you going to be able to fit into your guild's current roster as a guardian any better than you do as a paladin? Don't they already have an MT? Do you think that your guild, who, by what you say, gives you little respect as a paladin, will respect you as a guardian alt?</P> <P>And thinking of moving to another guild? Good luck. Most raiding guilds HAVE an MT... and probably an ST as well except for those really small ones. So... then what?</P> <P>Not trying to tell you to play the game different than how you want. But don't level a guardian just because you feel you get no respect as a Paladin.</P>

[Nevar]

<DIV>I think Paladins rock. I get plenty of respect because I earned it from what ive done with my guy. IF you want to reroll its cool but maybe it isnt the toon thats the issue.</DIV>

[MeridianR]

I really now (didn't so much so in times' past) enjoy the flexibility being a Paladin gives me.....I can fullfill a couple different roles with the way I setup my gear, etc....but all in all I do enjoy the class, and think I am pretty good at it.<div></div>

[MeridianR]

<div><blockquote><hr>get no respect as a Paladin.<hr></blockquote>Play your class good enough, and enough people will respect you.....</div>

[Aamad]

I've pretty much tanked the same content as the OP. Whenever the MT isnt on I get to lol. Or if he's afk and eating tacos or something. I'm well equipped and can play my class well, never run into any problems really. I'm just as happy as offtank or battlerezzer or MA it doesnt make a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to me. I like my class, and see no reason to [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and moan.<p>Message Edited by Aamadex on <span class=date_text>07-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:15 AM</span>

[Pugzilla]

<P><FONT size=3>Sorry it has taken me so long to reply, but I feel it necessary to elaborate on some misconceptions that people made about my original post. In fact I generally am well complimented on my tanking. But far more than once I've had people say things like "you tank really well, why didn't you play a guardian" or something similar. And as to the comment I made about my guild, I would like to clarify that it's a minority of people who seem to look down on paladins in general. However, it's seems that that minority is growing ever larger lately.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>And as far as my guardian alt goes, that's where I really see the prejudice come into play.  As an example after being invited to a group at level 46 I noticed that there was already a level 51 monk in the group. So I started to go offense with a 2h sword.  Three of the other group members made it clear who they wanted to tank for the group and it wasn't the monk (I realize that has nothing in particular to do with paladins but more to do with a popular misconception about guardians). I also had a zerker on a pick up raid "compliment" me by saying that I was one of the best pally tanks he'd ever seen. "Pally tank"? What's the difference between a "pally tank" and any other is what I would ask, but many people apparently feel the need to make the distinction. So my point is that the anti-paladin in particular & anti-crusader sentiment in general is out there and no amount of play your class well enough and most everyone will respect you is likely to change it.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>Finally, I apologize that I seem to have caused some degree of irritation among some of you with my earlier post. Or at least some replies seem to reflect that. I would like to say to Wulfborne that I appreciate your well thought out & constructive reply. That you agree or disagree with me is irrelevant. Best wishes to all.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=3></FONT> </P><p>Message Edited by Pugzilla on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:13 AM</span>

[Cidal]

<P></P> <HR> <P>Pugzilla wrote:<BR><FONT size=3></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>Sorry it has taken me so long to reply, but I feel it necessary to elaborate on some misconceptions that people made about my original post. In fact I generally am well complimented on my tanking...</FONT><BR></P> <P></P> <HR> <P> </P> <P><FONT color=#ffff66>It's not misconception if you stated directly that -<BR></FONT></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pugzilla wrote:<BR> <P><FONT size=4>... For example, even though I've been with my guild a long time (well over a year) and play the class well if I do say so myself. <U><EM><STRONG>I get just about zero respect from many of my guild mates as a tank</STRONG> </EM></U>in spite of having proven myself as being at least a capable raid tank on a number of occasions... </FONT></P> <P>Message Edited by Pugzilla on <SPAN class=date_text>07-19-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>11:00 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#ffff33>It's really more of a contradcition on your part.</FONT><BR>

[Monfar]

Our guild has yet to do most of HoS ,fight Tarinax or any contested (they don't seem to spawn often at Euro time on a US server), the rest I have all tanked succesfuly.p.s I am MT even though we have very good warriors with same or better equipment so there is enough respect for the paladin in our guild.<p>Message Edited by Monfar on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:37 AM</span>

[madha]

A paladin has far better agro control tehn anyone in game.  Put 2 in one group and a hate transfer toon and hate never jumps.  But paladins require more healing and on some raids you dont have the healing power for a paladin to tank.  With the same gear a guardian will have more HP / avoidance..

[MeridianR]

<div><blockquote><hr>madhatr wrote:<div></div>A paladin has far better agro control tehn anyone in game.  Put 2 in one group and a hate transfer toon and hate never jumps.  But paladins require more healing and on some raids you dont have the healing power for a paladin to tank.  With the same gear a guardian will have more HP / avoidance..<hr></blockquote>Couple clarifications:1) Aggro control during raiding is 95% about the raid makeup - and 5% about tank aggro. In groups it is much different, but in raids the setup is what matters2) In less gear, with the same group as a Guardian a Paladin will have more HP due to Stamina AA's. (Meaning the Paladin and Guardian in the same group).  </div>

[uzhiel feathered serpe]

<DIV>Its a proven fact that Paly players are smarter than Guardian players. :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> It takes more skill to play a paly competently than a Guard. In raids, a paly is more likely to find a spot than a Guard.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do warriors have better tanking skills? honestly, im not quite sure. When I cleared HoS, I didnt lose aggro ONCE. Even on Venekor, my guild was going all out and I still didnt lose aggro. Guards and Zerks do have more mitigation, and Guards do have more hitpoints, but that doesnt mean squat when the mob turns and wipes out your healers. Palys shine in aggro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>its a trade off..palys have better aggro and warriors have better mitigation, but I know on hard raids, I'm more useful spot healing, rezzing, and taking stray adds, than MT'ing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fortunately, my guild rotates their tanks, so all of us get to play a bit!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW, Meridian is right, aggro control is the entire raids responsibility, but when a paly tanks, parses are magically higher! :smileywink:</DIV><p>Message Edited by uzhiel feathered serpent on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:12 AM</span>