Why cant we be left alone or get our fixes....sigh..

[uzhiel feathered serpe]

<DIV>Bah, im so [Removed for Content], I moved it to the Spells, abilities, and combat arts forums.</DIV><p>Message Edited by uzhiel feathered serpent on <span class=date_text>12-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:27 AM</span>

[MeridianR]

I was wondering where you were man <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> - I am trying to fight the good fight on the post by the Dev.... <div></div>

[Excalibre33]

<DIV>Sorry guys, I had to bump that thread with more of my boobery... I'm reallly feeling 'ya Serpent and I'm also really feeling for the the warriors that are so disgruntled. I'm actually starting to feel extremely passionate and inspired to verbalize my frustration with the tanking mechanics in this game. Feel free to flame and 1star me for repetition.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ohh and I thought I'd link your thread here...</DIV> <DIV><U><FONT color=#800080><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=83348#M83348" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=83348#M83348</A></FONT></U></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text>*UPDATED THE LINK*</SPAN></DIV><p>Message Edited by Excalibre3377 on <span class=date_text>12-15-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:51 PM</span>

[ncpis]

I put in my 2-cents<div></div>

[uzhiel feathered serpe]

<P>Ya, I just got back into town like 2 weeks ago and getting settled...and this come down the pipeline..</P> <P>Sorry, Mer. I'm back to fight the good fight. Time to ratchet up my Uzhielness again..grrr</P> <P> </P> <P>Rally, fellow Palys, RALLY!!!</P><p>Message Edited by uzhiel feathered serpent on <span class=date_text>12-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:06 PM</span>

[MeridianR]

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=72388&jump=true#M72388 Seems like they aren't happy with just getting our aggro gen nerfed...   <div></div>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<P>I -never- thought I'd say this...</P> <P> </P> <P>But somebody get Blackweb on the line!</P>

[Excalibre33]

He got fed up and is playing WoW now ;p

[WAPCE]

I'm surprised, too. Even if I didn't agree with a lot of what he said, at least he had the time and effort to debunk all the misinformation that is posted about Paladins in those discussions.

[Rarlin]

Is this about our Amends nerf?Comon' guys, you know we can just walk up to any raid mob, put Amends on another class, come back 5 minutes later and use hacked super Paladin dice to win all the loot.

[MeridianR]

<span><blockquote><hr>Rarlin wrote:Is this about our Amends nerf?Comon' guys, you know we can just walk up to any raid mob, put Amends on another class, come back 5 minutes later and use hacked super Paladin dice to win all the loot.<hr></blockquote>Of course we can, but we need to keep it quiet!!! </span><div></div>

[Anzak]

<span><blockquote><hr>MeridianR wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Rarlin wrote:Is this about our Amends nerf?Comon' guys, you know we can just walk up to any raid mob, put Amends on another class, come back 5 minutes later and use hacked super Paladin dice to win all the loot.<hr></blockquote>Of course we can, but we need to keep it quiet!!! </span><div></div><hr></blockquote>But only on tuesdays.</span><div></div>

[MeridianR]

<span><blockquote><hr>Anzak wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>MeridianR wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Rarlin wrote:Is this about our Amends nerf?Comon' guys, you know we can just walk up to any raid mob, put Amends on another class, come back 5 minutes later and use hacked super Paladin dice to win all the loot.<hr></blockquote>Of course we can, but we need to keep it quiet!!! </span><div></div><hr></blockquote>But only on tuesdays.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>ah how I love Uber Paladin Tuesdays.....</span><div></div>

[Excalibre33]

<P>Since the the nerf is going to knock us back a bit... I'm going to take the liberty of establishing Wednesday as the new "Palys4tw" day ...and just go Master1 my Consecrate to go hand in hand with my M2 Zealous Preaching. </P> <P>Mezzing is for wimps. ;p   j/k you 'trollin 'chanters.</P>

[Pathin Merrithay]

Agro control... Pfah! Consecrate+ZP+Sigil+Run around like a chicken with your head cut off=Good times.

[Excalibre33]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pathin Merrithay wrote:<BR>Agro control... Pfah! Consecrate+ZP+Sigil+Run around like a chicken with your head cut off=Good times. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Apparently that's what SOE thinks is fun for the community... tanks freaking out is fun 4 everyone!!! I'm turning my Cleradin into a Zerkleradin /cheer</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wait Zerkers don't actually have to phreak out about aggro control... I'm getting confused... /dance</DIV>

[MeridianR]

Cleradin's FTW!!!! <div></div>

[uzhiel feathered serpe]

<P>thats right boys, lets not roll over on this one. Even if we lose the battle, lets give SoE a piece of what we really think about tanking. </P> <P>We are the inferior plate tank. I dont care what anyone says about heals, resists, wards, etc. </P> <P>When tanking a raid, we are at the bottom of the totem pole along with Sk's</P> <P>With lower mitigation, avoidance, hit points, power pools, DPS, and now getting our aggor nerfed...</P> <P>Where does it stop? What have we gotten in return since the combat revamp? a grp heal? it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize that we've lost ALOT more than we've gained.</P>

[robusticus]

<DIV>So I take it we are no longer in the best position ever?  No more thank yous to SOE?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How many have been off-tank to a guardian and ended up getting an add they couldn't pull off?  The real problem here is Guardians suck at aggro not that we are overpowered.  However, at least the Guards won't hate us quite so bad anymore.</DIV>

[Shipwreck_GPA]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Excalibre3377 wrote: <DIV><BR>I'm turning my Cleradin into a Zerkleradin</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>:smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[H3llburn]

<P>Well I mouthed off about this, however as usual its a thread with some real good posts from people who know what they are talking about , and then the delusional and the out of class [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] have done their best to hijack it. It would be nice to see for once class fixes go in instead of reduce class D in order to make class's A , B and C feel more comfortable with themselves.</P> <P> Trim amends only if you plan on giving us something in return to make up for that, More taunts , bBetter taunts more dps , uninteruptable somethings I dont know, but something active in return.  Also for Gods sake if we are supposed to have raid content designed for us to be the kings of dont lie actualy put it in, as it stands resists can be gotten by anyone.</P> <P> I dont want anything taken away from another class to fix us, why should you do that for any other class?It just hurts the game.</P>

[Rarlin]

At least we have uber DPS... oh wait... nmOverall, I still love my pally and will probably not be able to leave him alone, but I grouped with a Templar and Conjuror the other night and did Hidden Cache and Scorn. With Amends (in it's CURRENT Adept III state), I was STILL losing aggro to the conjuror. Both taunts are Adept III as well so before someone ELSE comes onto the Pally forums and tells us how we don't even have to taunt anymore to hold aggro because of one [Removed for Content]' spell...

[Excalibre33]

Guardians have 10,000 more msgs in their boards than paladins.... palys aren't the only thing [Removed for Content] them off. It's going to take quite a bit to make them feel whole. Picking on the paly's ability to hold aggro isn't honestly making them or the community any better off and they know it. ;p

[MeridianR]

Personally I just don't care about them nerfing Amends anymore....why, well it is not going to be us that is going to die anymore then normal.  The other classes will start [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing about fixing it when they start dying 3-4 times per group. <div></div>

[Aras]

<P>What's this spell everyone is talking about...amendz or something like that.  Is it any good?</P> <P>All kidding aside I wouldn't mind the nerf if they shortend the recast timer of sigil of heroism.  Oh and let us move and use refusal of grace, our ward and our heals.</P>

[Rochir]

<P>To be honest with you all, I helped fight the good fight to get us where we are in DoF/Compat Update and I am a bit burned out on all of this.  </P> <P>The plate fighters are pretty well balanced.  If SOE moves the gaurdian and zerker back to where they were before the combat changes, I will find another MMORPG.</P>

[MeridianR]

<span><blockquote><hr>Arasto wrote:<div></div> <p>What's this spell everyone is talking about...amendz or something like that.  Is it any good?</p> <p>All kidding aside I wouldn't mind the nerf if they shortend the recast timer of sigil of heroism.  Oh and let us move and use refusal of grace, our ward and our heals.</p><hr></blockquote>[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] Del start trolling more...lol I think a good counter to having Amends get nerfed down a bit, would be to move Sigil to either a 60 or 75 second recast, instead of the 120 second that it is now.   As for moving and casting, that would be great as well.  Refusal would be nice, but I would really prefer to have our Wards castable while moving again....I miss being able to ward a caster who ran in front of me and got aggro.</span><div></div>

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MeridianR wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arasto wrote:<BR> <P>What's this spell everyone is talking about...amendz or something like that.  Is it any good?</P> <P>All kidding aside I wouldn't mind the nerf if they shortend the recast timer of sigil of heroism.  Oh and let us move and use refusal of grace, our ward and our heals.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] Del start trolling more...lol<BR><BR>I think a good counter to having Amends get nerfed down a bit, would be to move Sigil to either a 60 or 75 second recast, instead of the 120 second that it is now.   As for moving and casting, that would be great as well.  Refusal would be nice, but I would really prefer to have our Wards castable while moving again....I miss being able to ward a caster who ran in front of me and got aggro.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>All of our best spells and CAs cast sooooo sloooooow :smileysad:</DIV>

[Excalibre33]

<DIV>Yea... I'd perfer if they empowered the players to throttle casting. Make the power cost manage how often we cast them. As it is right now, as much as I love our ward, I'm just too busy to bother fiutzing with it during a big fight anymore. That extra 1k is there to make up for our shortcommings but frankly this cast (AKA:interrupt-hound) is just getting neglected now due to it's long cast time. I ward going into the fight and blow it off for the most part once we're in the thick of things. Do you think that's what SOE intended?</DIV>