WoW vs EQ2 Paladin Issues

[BlackW]

<DIV>I posted this in the WoW Paladin forum.   I thought you might find it interesting:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=gray><FONT color=#cccccc size=2>I played Paladin in Diablo II and wrote a Paladin guide for Diablo II. I have a level 60 Paladin in EverQuest II where I also wrote a Paladin guide. Now I play Paladin here in WoW, my highest is a 34, my current main is 31. I dont pretend to be a WoW Paladin expert nor do I have any plans to write a Paladin guide for WoW. <BR><BR>There are a number of Paladin issues in WoW. <BR><BR>1. Resistances. Paladins have no naturual resistances in WoW and as far as I know, no resist all aura, skill or spell. This is a major weakness for a tank. We are easy prey for ranged attackes, especially in PvP. Mages and hunters absolutely own us at range. Even priests can hurt us at range. Single-resist auras are not the answer and as far as I am concerned are little more than useless fluff. If they were removed from the game, they would not be missed by me. The best I have been able to come up with in terms of resists is +3 all resists to a cloak, a weak solution at best. I realize that there are resist enchants available for items but that is not an adequate solution either. <BR><BR>In EverQuest II, Paladins have the best resistances of all of the tanks, their wisdom stat boosts all of their resistances. Paladins in WoW need some skill or aura that boosts all of their resists. We already have low dps and imho too low hit points, having no resists just makes that worse. Getting owned by Mages, Hunters and Rogues with mass poison is really frustrating when I know if I had decent resists, I would have a much better chance at survival. <BR><BR>2. Clumsy combat interface/system. This may be a problem with all classes in WoW. Having to stop in the middle of a fight, hit a key then click on my own character with my mouse is extremely annoying and frustrating, especially in PvP. There are a lot of skills and auras that I simply do not use because they are just too hard to use during combat. There should be some way to have certain skills be self-targeted or self cast such as buffs or heals. Also having only one toolbar is extremely frustrating. I realize that there are 3rd party interfaces that can add toolbars and other enhancements but why should we have to download and install them just to get a decent interface? The warning that they will stop working due to every major patch is enough to scare me away from them. I hate to say it but the combat system in EQ2 is much better. There are multiple toolbars and most heals and buffs are self-targeted by default unless another character is manually selected. If I select myself for heals and self buffs in EQ2, I stay selected unless I manually select another character. <BR><BR>The thing that WoW has going for it over EQ2 is PvP. WoW PvP rocks but PvP in wow is so intense that it highlights the glaring weaknesses in classes and in the WoW combat system and interface. If it were not for PvP, I would not play WoW at all. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=gray><FONT color=#cccccc></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=gray><FONT size=2>I really dont have a lot of issues with the current Paladin in EQ2.   We are a bit slow on casting some of our more important spells and CAs but for the most part we are in pretty good shape.   I could highlight the differences between playing Paladin in EQ2 and WoW like this:</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=gray><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=gray><FONT size=2>When I play Paladin in EQ2, I can play for hours and hours and I am having just as much fun when I stop as when I started.   Playing Paladin for hours and hours in WoW leaves me frustrated and drained, often so aggravated that when I log off, I promise myself that I will never come back.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><p>Message Edited by BlackWeb on <span class=date_text>12-09-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:46 PM</span>

[djhbeek]

hmm ... interesting ... thx for the comparison. <div></div>

[Majorminor]

<DIV>/shrug, Personally I could give a rats bleep about WoW. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nice post though for those that do.</DIV>

[BlackW]

Believe me, we are spoiled as Paladins in EQ2.   After level 12 in WoW I have noticed no significant improvements in the class, just a scaled up version of the same thing.   Remember how bad your resistanced were when you were about level 5-15.   In WoW the resist situation never gets better.   There are single resist auras for the end game but there is no way outside of items and item enchants to increase all your resists in WoW.   Imagine tanking a Sandfury Visionary with essentially no resists or level 20ish resistances.

[Majorminor]

But this is EQ2 not WoW so<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Majorminor wrote:<BR> <DIV>/shrug, Personally I could give a rats bleep about WoW. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nice post though for those that do.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>   </DIV>

[Banshee505]

<DIV>As said in Wow "Its fine learn2play"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Paladins are one of the most overpowered classes in Wow. No changes? Two Immunes? Seal of Command, Hammer of Wrath ect. In case you didnt know paladins are support healers in Wow why you all think your warriors is beyond me. They are also way overpowered. Good paladins heal others in pvp and in duels paladin is awesome.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Loladin = Wow on easy mode.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Try a warrior and compare...no nice immunes and heals for you. No Divine freedom to run away, No nice free 100g mount. Also alot less damage untill about level 40.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What did you expect God mode?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ah right your not even level 40 yet <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> If you play Eathern Ring check out Tyberias , Elsin and Ridley then tell me paladins are weak.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Banshee505 on <SPAN class=date_text>12-10-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:51 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Banshee505 on <SPAN class=date_text>12-10-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:53 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Banshee505 on <span class=date_text>12-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:54 PM</span>

[Cidal]

<P>Please shut this shi t down.  Who cares about WoW?  The people on the WoW forums, so take your shi t there.</P> <P> </P> <P>Please lock this.</P>

[BlackW]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Banshee505 wrote:<BR> <DIV>As said in Wow "Its fine learn2play"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Paladins are one of the most overpowered classes in Wow. No changes? Two Immunes? Seal of Command, Hammer of Wrath ect. In case you didnt know paladins are support healers in Wow why you all think your warriors is beyond me. They are also way overpowered. Good paladins heal others in pvp and in duels paladin is awesome.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Loladin = Wow on easy mode.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Try a warrior and compare...no nice immunes and heals for you. No Divine freedom to run away, No nice free 100g mount. Also alot less damage untill about level 40.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What did you expect God mode?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ah right your not even level 40 yet <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> If you play Eathern Ring check out Tyberias , Elsin and Ridley then tell me paladins are weak.<BR></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I am seriously considering cancelling my WoW subscription for some of the reasons above.   I am not interested in debating WoW issues here.</P> <P>The point of this thread is, we have got it pretty good as Paladins in EQ2.   We can manage group agro in EQ2, we have very good passives and some nice spells and CAs.    We are not perfect but we are headed in the right direction and hopefully getting better <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Oh and one other thing crusaders, we have the Shadowknight in EQ2, the antithesis of the Paladin.  Somehow, the Deathknight from Warcraft III got left out of WoW.   </P><p>Message Edited by BlackWeb on <span class=date_text>12-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:35 PM</span>

[Paladri]

<P>LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!</P> <P>Ok mr Learn2play...</P> <P>First off... 2 shields, one is dispelleable and only deals with phisical damage, takes 3 mins cooldown with talents, 5 mins without it, the other shield is also in 5 mins cooldown, you say paladins are overpowered in WoW??? lol try play one and not get sleep while fighting the mobs, easy? yeah, autoatack is all they can do, no healing power compared to any hybrid class out there, no mitigation compared to warrior.</P> <P>Seal of Command? yeah sure rely all your pvp into a single DISPELLEABLE ability that deals RANDOM procs, and FYI SoC only can proc 3 times in a min, really awesome ability indeed...</P> <P>Support healer? yes, thats what blizzard intends for paladins to be mere clerics like EQ1 not to mention that the healings that paladins have in wow suck beyond any class, sure is mana efficient but too slow, think about any warrior with 6k hp, my flash heal (1.5sec )would heal him for 400 top with a blessing on him, nice to think that rogues stab him for 800+ in less than 1 sec, and my casting time is 2.5 sec on my biggest heal. Im lucky if i my heal can reach him before he goes down. You may say, Oh n00b cast Blessing of Protection (one of our supposedly ubber shields) again, 1 purge, 1 dispell and is long gone my 5 mins shield on that nice warrior friend.</P> <P>Hammer of Wrath??? yeah... only a noob would allow a paladin to get him down 20%, and even so hammer of wrath doesnt have a high crit chance to down someone after the 20% (compared to the poor Warriors that have a 5k Mortal Strike, wich is usable after the 20%), to think that Paladins are the only Class that doesnt have a SNARE in the whole game would be stupid if you allow him to get you down to 20%.</P> <P>And yes I have a level 60 Paladin in Illidan, dressed with all epic, and even so Paladins are weak, compared to most of the Hybrid classes.</P> <P>Mounts? LOLOLOLOL we only get a free quest mount at level 40, and even so a freaking mount is what? 90g if im not wrong, any casual gamer should have enought to buy that at levl 4x, seriously the mount is a dead horse, cost mana and also is DISPELLEABLE. the one at lvl 60 takes as much money to get as a normal one and also is dispelleable, nice deal eh?</P> <P>Try warrior? ok lol... 5k Mortal strike, biggest pool of Hp in the game (near 8k) 9k AC in Might, Crit as high as a rogue. Best snare in the game (Hamstring) Rage is a never ending pool, as much as you hit him he gets more power, Bloodlust, even after the nerf is insanely overpowered 25% more atack power after being victim of a critical strike? LOL, they have already the atack power of a Rogue. </P> <DIV>I could smash your arguments all day if you want to keep posting, but i encourage you to stop this, because EQ2 has the best paladin class in the whole games that i ve played so far.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Btw, i have played, Lineage 2, World of Warcraft, Diablo2, Ragnarok online (i do have a Paladin there). among many games that have paladins on it, and i can tell you WORLD OF WARCRAFT DOES NOT KNOW WHAT A PALADIN IS!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Brabus, Paladin lvl 60 Illidan Realm, Midnight Crusaders guild Master (epic raid ending guild).</DIV> <DIV>Tnt, Warrior lvl 35 Illidan Realm.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And now, Prometeus Paladin 31 high keep server, and im damm happy, i wont change Eq2 Paladins for any paladins on the previous games.</DIV>

[Ilanidr]

<DIV>Paladin in WoW is a Cleric with a sword.  Only game I've ever played with a Paladin like that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I play Paladins in ever MMO i can, and I just did not think WoW's Paladin was done in the best way, but thats how they see the Paladin, and i can't tell Blizzard they are wrong for thinkning something different, like so many fourm users do here.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Disagree if you like, because i really dont give a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]</DIV>

[TooSwi]

Paladins in eq2 suck, there is no way to get around that. <div></div>

[xIC]

<P>hello all,</P> <P> </P> <P>Its been a long time since ive been to these boards and thought i would give it a visit.  First for those that dont remember me, i used to be a hardcore eq2 person.  I had a lvl 54 paladin.  I got bored and quite frankly the game got old and stale.  </P> <P>I admit i have moved to WOW from eq2 and currently have 2 lvl 30 chars there.  First off the info on the paladin in wow in this thread is incomplete at best.  2nd what little truth there is , is being changed in the next patch.  The paladin is WoW is receiving a complete over haul in wow in the next patch.  In all honosty i dont have problem iwth it now, but it will become even more uber in the 1.9.  </P> <P> </P> <P>Let me give you some background on the WoW pally.  First off in the pvp battlegrounds, the paladin ownz.  Its probably top 2 class in the game in pvp. Preists strangely enough are a rough fight.  I own all warriors druids  hunters and mages.   Any thing they throw at me i have a spell that counters.  For example, the use of movement spells(slows, snares, traps) and stuns is large in pvp and pally has a spell that removes the effect instanttly.  Not to mention we have a large stun of our own plus a buff that can stun on each hit.   Not to mention the dps is good and the heals work right unlike in here.  I can kill mobs 5-6 lvls above me which is great compared to most other classes.  i dont know what he is talking about when it comes to interface. The interface commands are the same.  Instead of trying to click your character click F1 jsut liike in eq2.  Also tab can cycle through targets.  As to resistances, the system is just different from eq2, not better or worse for the paladin. The whole game system when it comes to resistances is different.  whats really nice is if you get hit with certain debuff, the paladin has a spell taht instantly stops the debuff.  I didnt beleive it till i played it myself, but WoW ownz eq2 in every single way.  The quests are 1000 times better.  The armor is so diverse, its rare to see players equiped the same.   Not to mention not everyone in the endgame is running around in the same junk.  The leveling there is not a grind and  beleive me its done just right.  IN eq2 , when you lvled you simply focused on grinding the same mobs over and over and over again.  After 5 lvls or so you moved on to the next mob and grinded forever to get there.  In WoW the quest exp is worth doing and the quest storylines are great.  Not nearly as many monotonous quests.  People say its easier to lvl in wow and quicker, well in some aspects.  It was quicker because of the questing.  I didnt spend from lvl 15-20 in the scarecrow feilds trying kill for hours and hours on end.  If lvling a little quicker makes me a noob in your eyes , then so be it.  Its not hte leveling in WoW that made me drop an eq2 lvl 54 pally in fabled gear, its the game play itself.  The game is a blast!</P> <P>Not to bash eq2 but 5 million WoW subscribers cant be wrong.</P> <P> </P> <P>former </P> <P>Demonslayor</P> <P>Message Edited by xICEx on <SPAN class=date_text>12-20-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:07 AM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by xICEx on <SPAN class=date_text>12-20-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:12 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by xICEx on <span class=date_text>12-20-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:37 AM</span>

[Paladri]

<DIV>Okay first of, like we say on the paladins forums in world of warcraft, FIRST GET TO 60! then talk about the class, it doest take more than 1 month for a eq hardcore player to get there, even so what you mention is true in one way, paladins are overpowered between the levels 20-40 you know why? Seal of Command, Seal of command is weapon dependant, after the 1.8 patch became even more powerful due the timer proc. At level 20 Paladins has a quest to get the Verigan Fist a UTTERLY overpowered hammer, with that if you are able to blast any class in the game at the same level, because you wear Mail, while only 1 class in the game at that state use mail, so guess who got the best mitigation at that stage?, not many classes has enought talent points or an ability that matches the 11 talent points of SoC, henceforth Paladins are overpowered between those levels, but guess what, eventually you reach 40, Priest and shamans Learn purge, your dps doesnt increase as much as other classes and as much as it used to during your past 20 levels, eventually your gear become your lifestyle, compared to otherclasses where the damage comes from different abilitys, again your healing becomes more useless, because your have to choose between the gear for healing or fighting, so you want to be a cleric or a tank or a gimped Ret paly.</DIV> <DIV>When you reach 60 you are nothing but a shadow of what you were back in the 30's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That may sound quite hard to belive but its quite true, you can always check the paladin forums <A href="http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.aspx?forumName=wow-paladin" target=_blank>http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.aspx?forumName=wow-paladin</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Again, you dream of the new patch 1.9??? LOL dude get yourself informed, 1.9 is a HUGE nerf for any paladin, you eventually will be only a mere healer, thats the intend of 1.9, the dps didnt got boosted got controled and mana drained, compared to before were yes, we could do some damage out of our random luck with the SoC. Now you will have to waste a lot of mana to keep your dps, and it is more interactive quite like Eq2 is now, but i really hope you have the patience to waste 5 mins in a fight with someone to just see him flee from you after you finish him off, and dream off that he will be 20% low enought to use your hammer because its not gonna happen.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Again, check the forums, and you will realize that you are just playing the best part of the paladinhood in world of warcraft. I did back then and i had a lot of fun, by my time even Seal of crusader was at full power without any nerfs, we were gods, nothing could stop us, we could do anything without spec hardly on certain areas. But after a year of Nerfs i dont know how you can enjoy the game.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Again about your comment, the 5 millions.... ROFLMAO!! first off the past october WoW hit 4 million people, after the past month they have loss arround 200.000 suscribers because the upcoming patch, i guess you really hope something good of it, again its not going to happen. Read Gamerpro, and check out the critique on the Blizzard management of the class and overall end game situation, also there are a lot of other magazines talking about how world of warcraft is becoming mindnubbing to the point that they are not increasing population but losing from this point.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guess McDonalds have much more customers than blizzard does arround the world, they are very succesfully indeed, are they good? NO, is the population a mark of quality? i dont think so.</DIV>

[EDofEDs]

<font size="5">Why is this here?  O_o </font><div></div>

[xIC]

<P>LOL,</P> <P>Im just tellin you bro, compared to wow,  eq2 has nothing.  The game play in eq2 is nothing but grind your way all the way through.  I know its harder to lvl in eq2. I did not doubt that.  The thing is, which would you rather have.  500hrs of fighting giants and scarecrows over and over and over again solely to reach the next level.  Or content the actually story driven?    You talk about the drive to get verigans in wow,  how is that any different from the drive to get ghoulbane in eq or the prizmatic.   Open your eyes like those before you.  WoW membership is growing while eq's is dieing.  I merely posted this stuff to refute whoever started this thread.  If your going to make a thread that compares the 2, dont knock someone giving you their experience from the other side.  As to the numbers,  it still stomps eq in the dirt.  Look at market share diagrams.  MMorpgs are all down, but in percentage of the market wow destroys all of them.</P> <P> </P> <P>Demonslayor </P><p>Message Edited by xICEx on <span class=date_text>12-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:35 AM</span>

[Taeolen]

<DIV>LOL, who cares how many players WoW has?  How many countires is that piece of trash in?  Some of those countries haven't even heard of a MMORPG or have very few to chose from.  I mean hell, if I only had the choice between WoW and Lineage II or some garbage like that I'd play WoW, too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All the subscription base to WoW shows is that marketting works wonders and people will eat a [Removed for Content] if you hype it correctly.  That and WoW is a MMORPG on training wheels.</DIV>

[Frobus]

<span><blockquote><hr>xICEx wrote:<div></div> <div></div><p>to the numbers,  it still stomps eq in the dirt.  Look at market share diagrams.  MMorpgs are all down, but in percentage of the market wow destroys all of them.</p><hr></blockquote>I've personally played both for an equal amount of time and decided I like EQ2 better.  I've made this comparison before, and I'll make it again.  Internet Explorer has over 85% of the market.  Is it the best, safest, and fastest browser? No, not by a long shot.</span><div></div>

[Skabanis]

<DIV>I have played Eq2 for more than a year and played Wow enough to say i know what i am talking about...(hopefully this gets locked)...</DIV> <DIV>wow is a super easy game to advance can have 2-3 players at 60 in like 2 weeks...The wow game is run by Noob 12 year old that have Blizzard stuck up there Rectums...Any skilled player that is even average in eq can become godlike over there...and thats the whole point most people want the easy road...why be average on a difficult game when you can suck and rock on another...Eq2 now is a game run by 20+ year olds who 6 years ago started playing eq live ect...these same players are the back bone of this game and lack of skill here is glaring you can tell a noob coming a mile away...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So people who dont  think there is content in eq2 probably cant find a group to do it all or a guild to raid high level content...becasue in terms of looks and skill level wow is a shadow of eq2...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>also this is a eq2 forum and this is paladin panel...people who want to talk about wow please leave unless you actually get a clue...</DIV>

[lover]

On this hand I have some apples - in my other hand I have some oranges - I know! I'll compare them on the Apples Forum AND separately on the Oranges Forum thereby expanding my kewlness factor x 2.People that compare one game to another really need to think about their approach to gaming! I played numerous Paladins in D2 (and still do) but not once have I thought about it in relation to EQ2 - what is the POINT? If I was playing WoW I wouldn't give a toss about EQ2 Paladins - I even played a DAOC Paladin to level 25 and that doesn't come into my pally thoughts either.By comparing games people are basically saying they should all be the same - *oooh but such and such a class in THAT games gets this ability - why don't WE get it in this game?* - because its a different game, CLOWN!God, let the WoW/EQ2 crap die Im so sick of hearing it.<b><font color="#B3C3C3">Loverat's</font><font color="#951364"> </font> <a href="http://www.loverat.net/eq2.htm" target=_blank><font color="#951364">EQ2 Bits</font></a><font color="#951364"></font><font color="#B3C3C3"> (jewellery stats and help files!)</font></b>

[theTy]

To point 1:I've got a Level 60 Paladin in WoW and I can definatley tell you that the only things you will be in raids are1. a Buffbot2. a HealerIf you want to be a tank, then you need to play a warrior.To point 2:For the Self-Targeting for spells: You can set the controls.For Interface Improvements: Yes the standard WoW Interface is crap. But that's why there are so many good interface improvements out there (Flexbar, Moveanything and so on)<div></div>

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> loverat wrote:<BR>On this hand I have some apples - in my other hand I have some oranges - I know! I'll compare them on the Apples Forum AND separately on the Oranges Forum thereby expanding my kewlness factor x 2.<BR><BR>People that compare one game to another really need to think about their approach to gaming! I played numerous Paladins in D2 (and still do) but not once have I thought about it in relation to EQ2 - what is the POINT? If I was playing WoW I wouldn't give a toss about EQ2 Paladins - I even played a DAOC Paladin to level 25 and that doesn't come into my pally thoughts either.<BR><BR>By comparing games people are basically saying they should all be the same - *oooh but such and such a class in THAT games gets this ability - why don't WE get it in this game?* - because its a different game, CLOWN!<BR><BR>God, let the WoW/EQ2 crap die Im so sick of hearing it.<BR><BR><B><FONT color=#b3c3c3>Loverat's</FONT><FONT color=#951364> </FONT><A href="http://www.loverat.net/eq2.htm" target=_blank><FONT color=#951364>EQ2 Bits</FONT></A><FONT color=#951364></FONT><FONT color=#b3c3c3> (jewellery stats and help files!)</FONT></B><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>No, I am not bumping my own thread, I am just too lazy to change accounts <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Good points, any comparison is highly subjective.   I think a look, feel and fun comparision is best.    To me EQ2 is just more fun to play Paladin in than WoW.    The HUGE exception is PvP.    PvP is a whole lot of fun in WoW and the most compelling reason to play WoW.</P>

[xIC]

<DIV>Rochir, </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Your right graphix wise  that eq2 looks more realistic and has some gorgeous places.  Guys i dont hate eq2 at all, after all i did have a high lvl fabled pally.  Graphically the game is great.  My problem was the content and diversity of the characters.  I mean when i hit sinking sands, almost every tank was walking around in cobalt and carrying around many of the same weapons and gear.  The quests really werent that interesting and just became a grind and click through.  I know we all have our opinions on whihc is better and some of you have some valid points and i wish you all hte best of luck.  But it would take a miracle for me to come back to eq2.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Demonslayor</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[SniperKitty]

WoW has 5 million subscribers because they tapped into a fanboy market SOE could never reach.  The RTS/Diablo hack'n'slash children.  Anyone saying WoW is better simply cause it has 5 mil subs... is a [Removed for Content].- <div></div>

[Geldo]

<div><font color="#ffff00">QUOTE - "LOL, who cares how many players WoW has?  How many countires is that piece of trash in?  Some of those countries haven't even heard of a MMORPG or have very few to chose from.  I mean hell, if I only had the choice between WoW and Lineage II or some garbage like that I'd play WoW, too.</font></div> <div><font color="#ffff00"> </font></div> <div><font color="#ffff00">All the subscription base to WoW shows is that marketting works wonders and people will eat a [Removed for Content] if you hype it correctly.  That and WoW is a MMORPG on training wheels."</font> I have to say Lineage2 is way better then WoW, for the ole school more "hardcore" player anyway. Better in every way most especially in PvP. Really WoW is little more then a "hello-kitty" version of Lineage2 regarding PvP anyway. </div> <div></div>

[I]

I think the point the OP is making is that the EQ2 devs at least have a clue..I also seems lessons were learned from the Warrior Vs Knight debacle of EQ1.Keep giving constructive feedback and work with the devs.This community is by and large a good one......Take solace in the fact that Furor and his dopey band of devs won't have the chance to make a mockery of the EQ2 Paladin.ZV<div></div>

[matchu]

<DIV>lol..sry, its funny just listening to people talk about WoW that seem like they havent been past lvl10.. i just came over from WoW to EQ because i was bored of it and the WoW endgame instances were consuming all my time.. i just wanted to post here because alot of people are making false/uninformed remarks about WoW xD.. (im not saying either game is better, i liked WoW but after 2 60's and tons of time in EG content i got bored of the game, i just moved to EQ2 and im only lvl 20,but im lovin it so far):</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) no class has natural resistances, aside from getting it from buffs/gear..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) ask for help with your interface, there is many options that you dont need a UI for that will allow you to put heals/buffs on yourself without clicking.. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-press F1 and it will automatically target you then cast the spell with whatever hotkey its set to, then retarget mob......</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-or even easier is hold shift and press the hotkey and it will autocast on yourself and you will still have your enemy targeted.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-or make macros ^^  ....     /macro.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3) WoW does a VERY good job or keeping classes balanced. Yes, some classes have more of an advantage over others, but it works that way for every class in the game. Paladins in WoW have a very good survivability rate. They will slowly push on towards their oponent while they blast them, but pally can beat most classes.. (it just might take a while). If any class is somewhat overpowered at all, the 2 i would nominate are shadow priest and MS warrior..but they can still be beat.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4) You cant compare resistances in 2 games..please dont even try...resistances and combat systems differ from game to game.. you cant compare how resistances work. Resistances help very little in pvp in WoW. The only resistance that will really matter a crapload at 60 is fire resistance... seeing that its NEEDED for Rag, BWL bosses, etc.. In the long run dont sweat about resistances unless you are lvl 60 and planning to be in a big MC/BWL guild.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5) imo, pallies are kinda lucky that they get their free mounts at 40 and 60, and if you are in a good guild, your not gonna be spending hardly any money on your lvl60 mount (they usually get the items in raids and hook the pallies up.. unless youve got a guild of jerks or farmers :smileytongue<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>6) Just because pallies may be good in EQ2 doesnt mean the have to be the best class in WoW too, if you dont like Pally in WoW...DONT PLAY IT. There are quite a few other classes to try out :smileywink:.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>7) Yes, ill admit it is true that a pallies main role in instances/raids, is being a buffer and healer.. and yes, their heals are pretty weak. But this is just how they kinda tried to design the game i think, they didnt want to have more than 1 really good tanking class (although i heard from a friend thats still playing WoW that they are adding good aggro skills to pally next patch to make them a better tank of sorts)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> WoW is "ok" leveling, i mean, the quests get repetitive, they are pretty much all exactly the same, just with diferant names.. after a while it gets pretty boring, idont really know how it is with EQ2 yet, but im just stating my opinion on WoW.. and Skabanis, no, you cant get 2-3 chars to 60 in a week or 2 :smileyhappy:, that would be impossible even if you played 24/7 for those 2 weeks.. the average played time to get a char to 60 is 12-14 days played, yes its possible in 8-10, but thats knowing what your doing , and hardcore lvling the whole thing, no breaks, no BSing around. :smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>mm..i just thought id post this because it just bothered me that it seemed like quite a few of the people posting hadnt even played WoW and were dissing on it or stating false facts. Im not saying you should play either game, I played WoW because it was fun..i got bored of it so i switched over here to try EQ2, so far im having a blast ^^.</DIV><p>Message Edited by matchu80 on <span class=date_text>12-26-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:25 PM</span>

[Queen Alexandria]

Any game starting out is fun, but when you hit the end game thats where the challenge is. EQ2 endgame blows, and when im done raiding the couple hours a night my guild raids, i click the big red X at the top right corner of the window and load up WoW to have some fun.All i can say is im having a blast at the moment, but that doesnt mean i will at the end game. Atleast the PVP will keep me busy end game if i get there.I've already reduced my subscription to exclude all the features of eq2players.com, just waiting for the opportunity to duck out of the game and cancel my subscription (don't be mad sony... ive been paying for a year). But until my guild quits, ill be around to help out and get stuff done.

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Queen Alexandria wrote:<BR>Any game starting out is fun, but when you hit the end game thats where the challenge is. EQ2 endgame blows, and when im done raiding the couple hours a night my guild raids, i click the big red X at the top right corner of the window and load up WoW to have some fun.<BR><BR>All i can say is im having a blast at the moment, but that doesnt mean i will at the end game. Atleast the PVP will keep me busy end game if i get there.<BR><BR>I've already reduced my subscription to exclude all the features of eq2players.com, just waiting for the opportunity to duck out of the game and cancel my subscription (don't be mad sony... ive been paying for a year). But until my guild quits, ill be around to help out and get stuff done.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>IMHO optional open PvP should be brought to all of the servers in EQ2 along with the 2 PvP servers.    EQ2 is a better game that WoW in every respect but one, PvP but PvP is HUGE!! </P> <P>Unless PvP is brought to my current server, I plan to transfer my character to a PvP server the day it goes live in EQ2.   From what I can tell in my limited experience in the Arena,  Crusaders (Paladins and SKs) could dominate PvP in EQ2 <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I want my PvP SOE!:smileyvery-happy::smileymad:</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Rochir on <span class=date_text>01-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:55 PM</span>