Blessed Rush Adept I vs Adept III

[wowmakeitst]

<DIV>Is it just me or does this not look right:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Adept I - Inflicts 133-222 Divine Damage on target, Throws target back, Stuns target blah blah blah.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Adept III - Inflicts <STRONG>155-259 </STRONG>same effects.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is that really worth the 50g-1p the rare could cost?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Looking at the other few spells I just got upgraded (sadly I dont have before and after stats none of them were as bad as this to make me actually complain about it here) the average increase in damage is a significant amount more.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Am I expecting too much?</DIV>

[Pathin Merrithay]

It's really just one of those CA's that just isn't worth the upgrade. Skip it.

[roganem]

<P>If you look at it from a raw number point, then yes upgrading is not worth it.</P> <P>However I think their is a hidden factor based on spell level. The higher the upgrade more of a chance to effect the target (especially orange and red cons).  While the devs have not specifically stated that, I think they inferred it when they explained the combat upgrade changes.</P> <p>Message Edited by roganemor on <span class=date_text>11-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:00 AM</span>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> roganemor wrote:<BR> <P>If you look at it from a raw number point, then yes upgrading is not worth it.</P> <P>However I think their is a hidden factor based on spell level. The higher the upgrade more of a chance to effect the target (especially orange and red cons).  While the devs have not specifically stated that, I think they inferred it when they explained the combat upgrade changes.</P> <P>Message Edited by roganemor on <SPAN class=date_text>11-18-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>09:00 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well, when I actually see something in print stating that this is the case, I might make a point in looking to Adept 3 it out. However, without some specific evidence to the contrary (I, for example have yet to notice anything in casual playtime) my plat is better served elsewhere.

[djhbeek]

<span><blockquote><hr>roganemor wrote:<div></div> <p>If you look at it from a raw number point, then yes upgrading is not worth it.</p> <p>However I think their is a hidden factor based on spell level. The higher the upgrade more of a chance to effect the target (especially orange and red cons).  While the devs have not specifically stated that, I think they inferred it when they explained the combat upgrade changes.</p> <div></div><p>Message Edited by roganemor on <span class="date_text">11-18-2005</span> <span class="time_text">09:00 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>i think that was in reference to level of the spell (1-60), not the upgrade (app1-master2).  i do notice the resist rate in my parses being quite high for way-gray spells that mobs still sometimes cast.  i would assume the reverse is true.</span><div></div>

[WAPCE]

<blockquote><hr>roganemor wrote: <P>If you look at it from a raw number point, then yes upgrading is not worth it.</P> <P>However I think their is a hidden factor based on spell level. The higher the upgrade more of a chance to effect the target (especially orange and red cons). While the devs have not specifically stated that, I think they inferred it when they explained the combat upgrade changes.</P> <hr></blockquote> Moorguard stated that was true very explicitly regarding spells:<BR><BR> <I>The chance to resist is based on the target's resistance to the spell's damage type, the skill level of the player's casting technique used by the spell (Ministration, Ordination, etc.), <B>and spell quality (Apprentice II, Adept I, etc.).</B></I><BR><BR> Unfortunately, I don't have anything that's not anecdotal to say it applies to combat arts as well. I upgraded all of my 47+ stuns and interrupts to Adept III, as I consider them our most useful tools (I wish they worked on raids though), and I can't remember the last time Blessed Rush- Adept III missed. But again, that's anecdotal. Besides, tier 5 rare harvests are still pretty frequent in my experience, even if you don't have a guild bank full of T5 rares that no one wants to buy. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[CycoDelic]

A month of farming no-trade loots in Poet's while trying to get dragn scales and you'll upgrade em all to Master I anyways, what else ya gonna spend all that plat on? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[wowmakeitst]

<P>Well I have been farming Poets for about 2 weeks now and have yet to get 1 master so...</P> <P>Also this wasnt really a should I or should I not upgrade thread as I already bought the spell....The question was more of a "shouldn't this spell be upgraded" type of deal as I am not sure about update notes reguarding spell effectiveness I DO remember an update note about <STRONG>spell upgrades being usefull and I do not think this qualifies.</STRONG></P>

[djhbeek]

<span><blockquote><hr>wowmakeitstop wrote:<p>Well I have been farming Poets for about 2 weeks now and have yet to get 1 master so...</p> <p>Also this wasnt really a should I or should I not upgrade thread as I already bought the spell....The question was more of a "shouldn't this spell be upgraded" type of deal as I am not sure about update notes reguarding spell effectiveness I DO remember an update note about <strong>spell upgrades being usefull and I do not think this qualifies.</strong></p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>i think he was talking about the rare (pearl) drop rate (which is pretty good in there)</span><div></div>

[wowmakeitst]

Well if he was...I'm pretty sure with Pearls you still cannot make a master I spell, and there are NONE on the broker....so uhhh...yea...

[djhbeek]

<span><blockquote><hr>wowmakeitstop wrote:Well if he was...I'm pretty sure with Pearls you still cannot make a master I spell, and there are NONE on the broker....so uhhh...yea... <div></div><hr></blockquote>hrm ... your right.  i misread/misremembered ... i thought he said you'd have all ad3s (thus the pearls) ... yah ... i haven't seen many masters drop in poets.  farming poets alone to get all masters would take quite a long time.</span><div></div>

[CycoDelic]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> wowmakeitstop wrote:<BR> <P>Well I have been farming Poets for about 2 weeks now and have yet to get 1 master so...</P> <P>Also this wasnt really a should I or should I not upgrade thread as I already bought the spell....The question was more of a "shouldn't this spell be upgraded" type of deal as I am not sure about update notes reguarding spell effectiveness I DO remember an update note about <STRONG>spell upgrades being usefull and I do not think this qualifies.</STRONG></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>To start with, the sarcasm about farming Poet's was in the fact that you would eventually have enough coin to buy any masters you needed from selling no-trade loots that drop with no one around who can use them. Sre, it was subtle, I grant that <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways, I upgraded it. Why? Because I could. That's really the only reason i can offer. The spell was there, I needed Master I, and thus I bought it. I had it at Adept 3 and it was a noticable (if not huge) increase.  Sorry for any confusion <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[wowmakeitst]

<DIV>Again the question is not really whether the spell can or cannot land more or how to get master's or what to farm. The question is whether or not you think the jump from Adept I to Adept III is in line with every other spell. If you ask me, it looks like they missed this spell for LU13.</DIV>

[CycoDelic]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> wowmakeitstop wrote:<BR> <DIV>Again the question is not really whether the spell can or cannot land more or how to get master's or what to farm. The question is whether or not you think the jump from Adept I to Adept III is in line with every other spell. If you ask me, it looks like they missed this spell for LU13.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ah... gotcha... from your original post:</P> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff33 size=2><EM>Is it just me or does this not look right:</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff33 size=2><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff33 size=2><EM>Adept I - Inflicts 133-222 Divine Damage on target, Throws target back, Stuns target blah blah blah.</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff33 size=2><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff33 size=2><EM>Adept III - Inflicts <STRONG>155-259 </STRONG>same effects.</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff33 size=2><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=2><EM>Is that really worth the 50g-1p the rare could cost?</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff33 size=2><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff33 size=2><EM>Looking at the other few spells I just got upgraded (sadly I dont have before and after stats none of them were as bad as this to make me actually complain about it here) the average increase in damage is a significant amount more.</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff33 size=2><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff33 size=2><EM>Am I expecting too much?</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT color=#ffff33 size=2></FONT></EM> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>I took it as more a queston of economics vs. upgrading other spells. Hence the money yada yada yada. To answer your question I will need to look at it more ingame and not here at work with 99% of all researchable sites blocked by Websense.</FONT></DIV>

[WAPCE]

<blockquote><hr>wowmakeitstop wrote:<BR> <DIV><B>Again the question is not really whether the spell can or cannot land more</B> or how to get master's or what to farm. The question is whether or not you think the jump from Adept I to Adept III is in line with every other spell. If you ask me, it looks like they missed this spell for LU13.</DIV> <hr></blockquote><BR><BR> If the bolded part is true, as some have suggested possible, then would be directly related to whether the jump is in line from Adept I to III, we just don't have a means to quantify it.<BR><BR> Also, keep in mind that just because the jump from Adept I to III is not that large, doesn't mean that the spell isn't scaling as they've intended. If you look at all the qualities of Blessing of the Celestial, they all scale linearly, but there's no way in hell I'd waste a rare on the +35 HP you get from Adept I to Adept III. We have multiple skills like that (Condemnation and Judgement Strike come to mind), I've been led to believe some spell scaling just has a sharper angle than others and some simply have less bang-for-the-buck value in the rarer upgrades than others.<p>Message Edited by WAPCE on <span class=date_text>11-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:53 PM</span>

[wowmakeitst]

<DIV>I think im starting to see why so many people come here and complain and bot and cheat their way through this game. I guess we are supposed to scour the web for data on every spell before we attempt to upgrade it or risk wasting more time and money. Ofcourse they could just <STRONG>list the spell data at each rank </STRONG>but then the game would be too easy right? Or is that only for poeple who pay for the eq2players stuff?</DIV>

[hylozoist]

<DIV>Actually, eq2players doesn't even list the spell data.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The best thing to do is to look up the spell on the forums here (look at the sticky thread up top) and hope some friendly paladin has shared their information.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Most spells with numbers are updated about 10%-15% from adept I to adept III and then again from adept III to master I.  Blessed rush follows this numerical increase, generally.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Surprisingly, Blessed Rush is most-used art in my arsenal in groups, raids, and dueling.  Thus I felt that the upgrade was worthwhile.  The stun portion gives aggro, and it has an incredibly fast recast timer.  It also is very low mana cost (it used to be very high).  When I am trying to conserve mana, I still use it.  Thus, I think it's worth it, especially considering a ruby or rhodium should be cheap on all servers.  </DIV>

[Lairdragna]

Well when you score a deal on rhodium (Blessed Rush is a T5 spell right?) like I did, you upgrade ALL your T5 abilities if level appropriate.  I had many T5s at adept 3 already, but being only level 52, there were many that would not be upgraded for awhile.  So when I get 13 rhodiums for 4p total, I figured why not?  This way I have excellent spells and abilities while I harvst T6 rares and level.  I figure in most cases an adept 3 of a T5 ability should still be better than an apprentice 4 of a T6 until I can upgrade the T6 to an adept 3.  In other words, I'm not worrying about incremental increases in my T6 abilities, I'll be going straight to adept 3 or master 1/2 if available.  Considering you would be hard pressed to find 2 T6 rares for what I paid for 13 T5, and the immediate usage of the T5 abilities, seemed a good investment even if some of the upgraded damages, wards or heals seemed negligible over adept 1 levels.<div></div>

[Wil81115]

<DIV>being lv 60 and and having to fight orange mobs almost constantly you'll learn real quick that adpt1's arent going to cut it for long.</DIV> <DIV>If you can dig one up or buy one(T5 spell btw, you'll need Ruby or Rhodium  not T6 pearls like was said above :-p )  and not need to worry about your plat i'd say go for it. </DIV> <DIV>watching an orange mob start to cast and i land this CA everytime, stunning them which interrupts.. has paid for itself 20 fold.  suprisingly this being a lv 47 spell still lands on up to lv 65's realibly at adpt3..</DIV>