pristine imbued ironwood kite shield

[Rochir]

<DIV>Here it is</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><IMG alt="Image hosted by Photobucket.com" src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a290/blackweb1/EQ2_000000.jpg"> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a290/blackweb1/EQ2_000000.jpg" target=_blank>http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a290/blackweb1/EQ2_000000.jpg</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I harvested the ironwood.  The stats are better than I expected, just what my character needed for tier6.   Strength, agility and stamina.   I also like the new look.   Now if they could just give cobalt armor a new look.   I got about a 1% increase in avoidance from it.    We need all we can get <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Rochir on <span class=date_text>10-17-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:44 PM</span>

[WAPCE]

Unfortunately, that avoidance increase came only from the AGI. Shield factor does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, all that matters is the quality (legendary/fabled/etc). <img src="http://home.comcast.net/~axp696/shield1.jpg"> <img src="http://home.comcast.net/~axp696/shield2.jpg"><BR><BR>Why bother? ><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> WAPCE wrote:<BR>Unfortunately, that avoidance increase came only from the AGI. Shield factor does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, all that matters is the quality (legendary/fabled/etc).<BR><BR><BR>Why bother? ><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Aye that is why I like it, nice stats.    I wish the shield factor mattered more.   I just tried it out against some 49-52 heroic^^^ in the sinking sands and it is a definite improvement over the cedar.<BR>

[WAPCE]

I parsed it against the SBS (same Shield Factor and avoidance as cedar) and saw no meaningful difference. Did you parse it at all, or are you just going on feel?<p>Message Edited by WAPCE on <span class=date_text>10-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:28 AM</span>

[lover]

Severed Ironwood was the first rare I harvested in DoF and this shield was the first thing I had whipped up. Using all the same gear and weapon to me it *felt* better over my cedar, the stats are great.   I'm not a parser but have played  enough games to know when something feels better <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Zoren Northwood]

It's possible that tier matters, even if shield factor doesn't. <div></div>

[ChuMann]

<DIV>Hmm.... question here...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is there a reason that the description just says "pristine CONDITIONED ironwood kite shield"?  Is this a bug?  I would think the description would say pristine IMBUED ironwood kite shield.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[WAPCE]

<blockquote><hr>ChuMann wrote:<DIV>Hmm.... question here...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is there a reason that the description just says "pristine CONDITIONED ironwood kite shield"? Is this a bug? I would think the description would say pristine IMBUED ironwood kite shield.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><hr></blockquote> Yes, that's a bug, description only. It's supposed to be fixed in the next update.

[FieryFurnace]

<DIV>Too bad it drops my avoidance by 2%, but man was I tired of looking at my Totemic kite shield for the past 6 months.</DIV>

[dAb]

<P>i can tell you this much. t5 fabled is better than t6 legendary.</P> <P>i have Zalaks kite shield of dominion and a ironwood. the difference on avoid on those two are 2.3 in favor of Zalaks. its not alot but id rather use zalaks for sure. also tested it with my kite shield of the king and rubicite kite shield, both t5 fabled and both better in avoid than t6 legendary. </P>

[FieryFurnace]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> dAbel wrote:<BR> <P>i can tell you this much. t5 fabled is better than t6 legendary.</P> <P>i have Zalaks kite shield of dominion and a ironwood. the difference on avoid on those two are 2.3 in favor of Zalaks. its not alot but id rather use zalaks for sure. also tested it with my kite shield of the king and rubicite kite shield, both t5 fabled and both better in avoid than t6 legendary. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Same exact experience here. Sad, just plain sad.

[djhbeek]

well ... there's a raging debate on the forums about whether the upgrade path should be: t5 legendary > t5 fabled > t6 legendary > t6 fabled     or t5 legendary > t6 legendary > t5 fabled > t6 fabled ... <div></div>

[Yrield]

Block %  quality level Fabled: 16% Legendary: 14% Treasured: 12% Handcrafted: 11% Common: 10% (not sure about common/handcrafted/treasured % but shouldnt be far) Avoidance modifier AGI: 1 = 0.03% Parry: 1 = 0.3% Defense: 1 = 0.2% Pretty easy now to find an upgrade path to your shield <span>:smileyhappy:</span> <div></div>

[djhbeek]

that's what it IS ... the debate is about what it SHOULD be ... <div></div>

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> djhbeek wrote:<BR>that's what it IS ... the debate is about what it SHOULD be ...<BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I like it now, I expect it to improve when the shield factor is fixed.  I have had the ironwood for a while but no woodworker could imbue on Lucan Dlere until yesterday <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <p>Message Edited by Rochir on <span class=date_text>10-18-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:20 AM</span>

[Yrield]

<span><blockquote><hr>djhbeek wrote:that's what it IS ... the debate is about what it SHOULD be ... <div></div><hr></blockquote></span>oh well i wasnt debating anything <span>:smileyvery-happy: (some peoples still think shield add to mitigation, so better set the shield/avoidance thing straigh)</span> imo it should be: Shield Factor > all <div></div>

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Yrieldom wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> djhbeek wrote:<BR>that's what it IS ... the debate is about what it SHOULD be ...<BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR></SPAN>oh well i wasnt debating anything <SPAN>:smileyvery-happy: (some peoples still think shield add to mitigation, so better set the shield/avoidance thing straigh)</SPAN><BR><BR>imo it should be: Shield Factor > all<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Paladin shield issues:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1.  Our shield buffs are no longer shield buffs but a chance to grant avoidance (how silly).   The shield buff should buff shield factor and shield block.</DIV> <DIV>2.  Shield factor does not appear to work as it should by reducing damage.</DIV> <DIV>3.  The only beneifit to carrying a shield is base avoidance and stats at this time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM>In every other rpg game I have played Paladin, there has been a shield buff that added defense and block to the shield of the user (sometimes at the sacrifice of offense).</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[KBern]

<P>There is a really nice kite shield that drops off the names in The Roost instance.</P> <P>I forget the name, but the shield factor was around 920ish+ with some very nice stats.</P> <P>Decent look, but I like the look of the ironwood more.</P> <P>Pyk uses kite shield of the king and the stats on that, along with the reduced downtime between fights will make me keep it unless I see a real significant difference between that and some of the new ones.</P>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

<P>sweet shield...</P> <P>i saw someone that had an axe that looked like a dwarf's head lasnight...</P> <P>some of the new stuff with the expansion is pretty nice..</P>

[djhbeek]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>KBern wrote:<p>There is a really nice kite shield that drops off the names in The Roost instance.</p> <p>I forget the name, but the shield factor was around 920ish+ with some very nice stats.</p> <p>Decent look, but I like the look of the ironwood more.</p> <p>Pyk uses kite shield of the king and the stats on that, along with the reduced downtime between fights will make me keep it unless I see a real significant difference between that and some of the new ones.</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote><a href="http://eq2images.station.sony.com/itemicons/4/9/7/497560888497.gif" target="_blank">Crimson Rock Targe</a></span><div></div><p>Message Edited by djhbeek on <span class=date_text>10-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:45 PM</span>

[Tames]

<P>Your link requires a subscription, something I refuse to pay for as I refuse to go to third parties for maps that should be available in game.</P> <P>When will Sony finish the basic infrastructure of EQ2? Probably when Vanguard and D&D Online are coming out.</P>

[WAPCE]

<blockquote><hr>Tamesan wrote:<P>Your link requires a subscription, something I refuse to pay for as I refuse to go to third parties for maps that should be available in game.</P> <P>When will Sony finish the basic infrastructure of EQ2? Probably when Vanguard and D&D Online are coming out.</P> <hr></blockquote> The funny thing about that is that you can (and people regularly do) directly link the EQ2player item images and they show up on the forum just fine.

[djhbeek]

let me know if that link doesn't work better =) <div></div>

[Majorminor]

works for me now thanks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[lover]

Can't buy a Kite SHield of the King on Guk for love nor money anymore!  I very much regret not buying the rather cheap one I saw just before the CU - power regen between fights would mean roleplaying as a lawnmower of mobs =)

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> loverat wrote:<BR>Can't buy a Kite SHield of the King on Guk for love nor money anymore!  I very much regret not buying the rather cheap one I saw just before the CU - power regen between fights would mean roleplaying as a lawnmower of mobs =)<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Tier5 equipment doesnt work on the new 55+ raid mobs anyway.   It doesnt matter if its fabled or legendary.   They basically ignore it.   It works on the EQ2 Classic raid mobs but not the new ones. </P> <P>The shield factor on the ironwood doesnt make any difference at this time.   All that matters are the stats and the fact that its tier6 and legendary.</P> <p>Message Edited by Rochir on <span class=date_text>10-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:04 PM</span>

[Cu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rochir wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> loverat wrote:<BR>Can't buy a Kite SHield of the King on Guk for love nor money anymore!  I very much regret not buying the rather cheap one I saw just before the CU - power regen between fights would mean roleplaying as a lawnmower of mobs =)<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Tier5 equipment doesnt work on the new 55+ raid mobs anyway.   It doesnt matter if its fabled or legendary.   They basically ignore it.   It works on the EQ2 Classic raid mobs but not the new ones.</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>*sigh* where did you come up with this bull[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] again? T5 things work just fine on any mobs in the range of 50-60.</P> <P>But yeah shield factor is bugged.. take a look at this: </P> <P><IMG src="http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/7871/eq20000480hg.jpg"></P> <P> 2 shields I have.. One is the uber T5 fabled kite shield, best in game, second is a pretty common drop from scornfeather roost. Equipping the T6 fabled shield gives me 1.3% LESS avoidance (cause of the agi on the T5 shield). Woot sony! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P> <p>Message Edited by Cuva on <span class=date_text>10-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:51 AM</span>

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cuva wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rochir wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> loverat wrote:<BR>Can't buy a Kite SHield of the King on Guk for love nor money anymore!  I very much regret not buying the rather cheap one I saw just before the CU - power regen between fights would mean roleplaying as a lawnmower of mobs =)<BR><BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Tier5 equipment doesnt work on the new 55+ raid mobs anyway.   It doesnt matter if its fabled or legendary.   They basically ignore it.   It works on the EQ2 Classic raid mobs but not the new ones.</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>*sigh* where did you come up with this bull[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] again? T5 things work just fine on any mobs in the range of 50-60.</P> <P>But yeah shield factor is bugged.. take a look at this: </P> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by Cuva on <SPAN class=date_text>10-24-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>08:51 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The last time we fought Rahotep a lvl 60 Paladin in full tier5 legendary/fabled tanked him.   He got squashed like a bug.   It was as if he wasnt wearing any armor <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Reality can be a difficult teacher when it comes to the value of equipment.   There is a reason that our tier6 equipment turns gray at level 55, we have outgrown it and should look for better equipment.    It has been my experience that the higher my level, the less effective my tier5 gear becomes.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Rochir on <span class=date_text>10-24-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:42 PM</span>

[Dwergux]

<span><blockquote><hr>Cuva wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Rochir wrote: <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> loverat wrote:Can't buy a Kite SHield of the King on Guk for love nor money anymore!  I very much regret not buying the rather cheap one I saw just before the CU - power regen between fights would mean roleplaying as a lawnmower of mobs =) <hr> </blockquote> <p>Tier5 equipment doesnt work on the new 55+ raid mobs anyway.   It doesnt matter if its fabled or legendary.   They basically ignore it.   It works on the EQ2 Classic raid mobs but not the new ones.</p> <p></p> <hr> </blockquote> <p>*sigh* where did you come up with this bull[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] again? T5 things work just fine on any mobs in the range of 50-60.</p> <p>But yeah shield factor is bugged.. take a look at this: </p> [image snipped] <p> 2 shields I have.. One is the uber T5 fabled kite shield, best in game, second is a pretty common drop from scornfeather roost. Equipping the T6 fabled shield gives me 1.3% LESS avoidance (cause of the agi on the T5 shield). Woot sony! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <div></div><p>Message Edited by Cuva on <span class="date_text">10-24-2005</span> <span class="time_text">08:51 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>The difference doens't only come from the agi on Zalak's, nut also from the 4 defense (defense gives alot more avoidence than agi)</span><div></div>

[Guiddian]

so basicaly for avoidance purposes a t1 or t2 fabled kite shield will give you just as much avoidance as a tier 6 lol and if the teir 1 shield has 1 agi and the tier 6 doesnt the t1 fabled will give you more avoidance lol

[Rochir]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Guiddian wrote:<BR> so basicaly for avoidance purposes a t1 or t2 fabled kite shield will give you just as much avoidance as a tier 6 lol and if the teir 1 shield has 1 agi and the tier 6 doesnt the t1 fabled will give you more avoidance lol<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>All of the tier5 gear will turn gray at level 55.   It should be fine until then.    I think that technically it still works when its gray, just not very well.   I have found that tier6 gear works better than tier5 gear against tier6 mobs.    Just my own opinion based upon my hands-on experience...

[Cu]

<P></P> <P>So yeah I'm a 58 pally.. still have T5 fabled pants, boots, shield and a sword in my inventory, and nothing is gray <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And still gives me the same stats as before, and I still tank as well, mitigate the same amount of damage. Strange isn't it?</P> <P>And yes T6 legendary works better than T5 fabled because it IS better (in most cases anyway). </P> <P>And to answer the question of the other person. Yes for avoidance purposes a T1 fabled shield will be as good as a T6 fabled shield, only that the T6 shield would usually have much higher stats on them <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but shield factor doesn't make a difference.</P>