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BlackW

08-07-2005, 10:03 PM

<DIV>I have just discovered that we are now allowed to use only one ring buff at a time. We can equip 2 rings but we can only use one buff at a time. I used an agility buff, then a strength buff, the second buff cancelled the first.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Either this has been fixed or I was incorrect.</DIV>Message Edited by BlackWeb on 08-09-2005 04:09 AM

EQ2Playa432

08-07-2005, 10:09 PM

Ah! nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

BlackW

08-07-2005, 10:18 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EQ2Playa432 wrote: Ah! nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Sorry to bring the bad news, it took my breath away when I saw it happen.

bonesbro

08-07-2005, 10:39 PM

Be sure you post that bug on the Combat Changes Testing board as well as /bug it on the Test server. <div></div>

Wurm

08-07-2005, 10:41 PM

1) Thats utter BS :robotmad: 2) Sure glad I didn't buy the ruby rings I was planning on buying this week <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

BlackW

08-07-2005, 10:42 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bonesbro wrote: Be sure you post that bug on the Combat Changes Testing board as well as /bug it on the Test server. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I posted it here because it affects Paladins. Feel free to post it in the test forum yourself.</DIV>Message Edited by BlackWeb on 08-07-2005 04:22 PM

Wurm

08-07-2005, 10:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlackWeb wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bonesbro wrote: Be sure you post that bug on the Combat Changes Testing board as well as /bug it on the Test server. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I posted it here because I believe it is by design. Feel free to post it in the test forum yourself.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Your on test. You need to post it there not one of us who isn't. Please do, this is important.

BlackW

08-07-2005, 10:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wurm wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlackWeb wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bonesbro wrote: Be sure you post that bug on the Combat Changes Testing board as well as /bug it on the Test server. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I posted it here because I believe it is by design. Feel free to post it in the test forum yourself.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Your on test. You need to post it there not one of us who isn't. Please do, this is important. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> There are individuals accusing me of spamming this forum and no doubt reporting me to the moderator. Please post the link in the test forum to this thread. I do not want to be accused of spamming.

Wurm

08-07-2005, 11:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlackWeb wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wurm wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlackWeb wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bonesbro wrote: Be sure you post that bug on the Combat Changes Testing board as well as /bug it on the Test server. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I posted it here because I believe it is by design. Feel free to post it in the test forum yourself.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Your on test. You need to post it there not one of us who isn't. Please do, this is important. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> There are individuals accusing me of spamming this forum and no doubt reporting me to the moderator. Please post the link in the test forum to this thread. I do not want to be accused of spamming. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I did as you asked but I think it will be deleted. I still think you need to post it there yourself.

Arthur

08-08-2005, 02:49 AM

<DIV>Hmm...that's odd then</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Because I was able to cast my agility and wisdom ring and have the benefits of both just now. (Aug 7, 05 at approx 4pm CST).</DIV>

Kendricke

08-08-2005, 02:52 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlackWeb wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bonesbro wrote: Be sure you post that bug on the Combat Changes Testing board as well as /bug it on the Test server. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I posted it here because I believe it is by design. Feel free to post it in the test forum yourself.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Issues on TEST are supposed to posted ON TEST forum. Unless you're a developer, you can't possibly know what is or is not "by design" until a designer states as much.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

BlackW

08-08-2005, 03:05 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlackWeb wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> bonesbro wrote: Be sure you post that bug on the Combat Changes Testing board as well as /bug it on the Test server. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I posted it here because I believe it is by design. Feel free to post it in the test forum yourself.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>Issues on TEST are supposed to posted ON TEST forum. Unless you're a developer, you can't possibly know what is or is not "by design" until a designer states as much.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> What Test server forum? I dont see one on my forum list. You have your opinion, I have mine. This is an issue that affects Paladins as many are accustomed to using multiple ring buffs. The combat changes are now public and not covered by an NDA so we can talk about them here.

EvilIguana9

08-08-2005, 03:09 AM

<blockquote><hr>BlackWeb wrote:There are individuals accusing me of spamming this forum <hr></blockquote> Gee... I wonder where ever they would get *that* idea....<div></div>

Kendricke

08-08-2005, 03:09 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlackWeb wrote: What Test server forum? I dont see one on my forum list. You have your opinion, I have mine. This is an issue that affects Paladins as many are accustomed to using multiple ring buffs. The combat changes are now public and not covered by an NDA so we can talk about them here. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, you can talk it about it here...but responsible Testers post where the developers who are concentrating on Test issues are likely to see the issues posted: <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2?category.id=test" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2?category.id=test</A> It's a public forum (I don't even have to log in to see it), so I'm amazed how you managed to miss this. Glad I could assist.

Kendricke

08-08-2005, 03:11 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EvilIguana966 wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlackWeb wrote: There are individuals accusing me of spamming this forum <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Gee... I wonder where ever they would get *that* idea.... <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> One could almost think he's TRYING to lose his posting rights. I'd like to note that I certainly hope this is not the case, but how many posts in one day does the same/similar issue require...really? Message Edited by Kendricke on 08-07-2005 04:13 PM

BlackW

08-08-2005, 03:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlackWeb wrote: What Test server forum? I dont see one on my forum list. You have your opinion, I have mine. This is an issue that affects Paladins as many are accustomed to using multiple ring buffs. The combat changes are now public and not covered by an NDA so we can talk about them here. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, you can talk it about it here...but responsible Testers post where the developers who are concentrating on Test issues are likely to see the issues posted: <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2?category.id=test" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2?category.id=test</A> It's a public forum (I don't even have to log in to see it), so I'm amazed how you managed to miss this. Glad I could assist. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Thanks for the link. I have never been able to find it.

BlackW

08-08-2005, 03:39 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EvilIguana966 wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlackWeb wrote: There are individuals accusing me of spamming this forum <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Gee... I wonder where ever they would get *that* idea.... <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> One could almost think he's TRYING to lose his posting rights. I'd like to note that I certainly hope this is not the case, but how many posts in one day does the same/similar issue require...really? Message Edited by Kendricke on 08-07-2005 04:13 PM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I am trying to respond to your posts as politely and respectfully as I can. I would greatly appreciate it if you would let me know how preists stack up against fighters in terms of dps in the current version of the combat changes. You know a lot more about them than I do. </DIV>

Juli

08-09-2005, 08:40 AM

Ring buffs are working on test....verified <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=876" target=_blank>here.</a> /bonk misinformation <div></div>

Kendricke

08-10-2005, 10:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Julius wrote: Ring buffs are working on test....verified <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=876" target=_blank>here.</A> /bonk misinformation <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> This is exactly why you don't take one person's word for the changes at face value. The recent sensationalistic posts are likely similar. Go test the changes for yourself...but REALLY test them. Download a parser. Fight lots and lots of different encounters to get a good baseline. If you must listen to someone from test, listen to the players who live on Test server as their home. These are quality folks, for the most part, who understand the Test environment, and who deal in facts - not knee jerk conclusions drawn from a quick 1-2 hour solo session. Actual guilds exist on test who run through group content, raid content, and yes...even solo content at all levels of play. These are the paladins you should be looking to for your information if you're not willing or able to perform the tests yourself. Then, look up actual test changes in "<A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=406" target=_blank>THIS THREAD</A>" or "<A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=2" target=_blank>THAT THREAD</A>" to see exactly what's occuring on Beta and Test regarding the Combat Arts and Spell revamp. I think you'll be AMAZED how frequently these changes are going to test (about 3-5 times a week the system is changed in some way). I think you'll find that some persons here who claim they are giving you "the facts"...aren't. Therefore, each of you - every paladin here - is better off researching the changes through actual official channels or by directly testing the changes. Don't rely on mere opinions of your peers, no matter how much you respect them. In fact, don't take my word for any of this either. Go learn it for yourself and see the changes for yourself. At the very least, look for actual parsed data...not just someone's 2 fight screenshot comparison.

Korpo

08-10-2005, 11:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote: <summarize> /ignore BlackWeb, as he has no clue what he's talking about, regarding any subject. </summarize> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>

Wurm

08-10-2005, 11:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Julius wrote: Ring buffs are working on test....verified <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=876" target=_blank>here.</A> /bonk misinformation <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> This is exactly why you don't take one person's word for the changes at face value. The recent sensationalistic posts are likely similar. Go test the changes for yourself...but REALLY test them. Download a parser. Fight lots and lots of different encounters to get a good baseline. If you must listen to someone from test, listen to the players who live on Test server as their home. These are quality folks, for the most part, who understand the Test environment, and who deal in facts - not knee jerk conclusions drawn from a quick 1-2 hour solo session. Actual guilds exist on test who run through group content, raid content, and yes...even solo content at all levels of play. These are the paladins you should be looking to for your information if you're not willing or able to perform the tests yourself. Then, look up actual test changes in "<A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=406" target=_blank>THIS THREAD</A>" or "<A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=2" target=_blank>THAT THREAD</A>" to see exactly what's occuring on Beta and Test regarding the Combat Arts and Spell revamp. I think you'll be AMAZED how frequently these changes are going to test (about 3-5 times a week the system is changed in some way). I think you'll find that some persons here who claim they are giving you "the facts"...aren't. Therefore, each of you - every paladin here - is better off researching the changes through actual official channels or by directly testing the changes. Don't rely on mere opinions of your peers, no matter how much you respect them. In fact, don't take my word for any of this either. Go learn it for yourself and see the changes for yourself. At the very least, look for actual parsed data...not just someone's 2 fight screenshot comparison. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I'd love to! Except I dont have a lvl 48 Paladin on test.... and so far I haven't got that Beta invite email <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Kendricke

08-10-2005, 04:55 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Wurm wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Julius wrote: Ring buffs are working on test....verified <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=876" target=_blank>here.</A> /bonk misinformation <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> This is exactly why you don't take one person's word for the changes at face value. The recent sensationalistic posts are likely similar. Go test the changes for yourself...but REALLY test them. Download a parser. Fight lots and lots of different encounters to get a good baseline. If you must listen to someone from test, listen to the players who live on Test server as their home. These are quality folks, for the most part, who understand the Test environment, and who deal in facts - not knee jerk conclusions drawn from a quick 1-2 hour solo session. Actual guilds exist on test who run through group content, raid content, and yes...even solo content at all levels of play. These are the paladins you should be looking to for your information if you're not willing or able to perform the tests yourself. Then, look up actual test changes in "<A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=406" target=_blank>THIS THREAD</A>" or "<A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=comtest&message.id=2" target=_blank>THAT THREAD</A>" to see exactly what's occuring on Beta and Test regarding the Combat Arts and Spell revamp. I think you'll be AMAZED how frequently these changes are going to test (about 3-5 times a week the system is changed in some way). I think you'll find that some persons here who claim they are giving you "the facts"...aren't. Therefore, each of you - every paladin here - is better off researching the changes through actual official channels or by directly testing the changes. Don't rely on mere opinions of your peers, no matter how much you respect them. In fact, don't take my word for any of this either. Go learn it for yourself and see the changes for yourself. At the very least, look for actual parsed data...not just someone's 2 fight screenshot comparison. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I'd love to! Except I dont have a lvl 48 Paladin on test.... and so far I haven't got that Beta invite email <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>How does that prevent you from researching the changes through official channels, through the efforts of paladins on Test who are posting in the Test forums, or by looking for/asking for actual parsed data being presented?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

Kendricke

08-10-2005, 05:01 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> korpo53 wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote: /ignore BlackWeb, as he has no clue what he's talking about, regarding any subject. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Instead of concentrating on who's right, you could concentrate on what's right. Where's the parsed data being presented here? Where's the absolute fact that Ring Enchantments aren't working? Did you take a person at his word that he was right just because he said so? Why would you do that? This isn't about just BlackWeb, either. It's about any person coming here without data in hand telling you to believe them. We're all selling snake oil, and you're buying it up as fast as we can put it in front ot you. Quit taking us hucksters at our word and start demanding actual data from us. Message Edited by Kendricke on 08-10-2005 06:28 AM

BlackW

08-10-2005, 06:32 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> korpo53 wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kendricke wrote: /ignore BlackWeb, as he has no clue what he's talking about, regarding any subject. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Instead of concentrating on who's right, you could concentrate on what's right. Where's the parsed data being presented here? Where's the absolute fact that Ring Enchantments aren't working? Did you take a person at his word that he was right just because he said so? Why would you do that? This isn't about just BlackWeb, either. It's about any person coming here without data in hand telling you to believe them. We're all selling snake oil, and you're buying it up as fast as we can put it in front ot you. Quit taking us hucksters at our word and start demanding actual data from us. Message Edited by Kendricke on 08-10-2005 06:28 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> This issue has been resolved. If I made a mistake, I admitted it. I see no need to continue the discussion.

Kendricke

08-10-2005, 07:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BlackWeb wrote: This issue has been resolved. If I made a mistake, I admitted it. I see no need to continue the discussion. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I agree that harping on an individual for making a mistake is unproductive, and I'm not advocating any such course of action. Whenever possible, you find fault in processes - not in individuals. You plan for the future, since you cannot plan for the past. However, what we can take from the past - what we should seek to find are lessons learned. (These are basic guiding fundamentals of 21st century management, by the way.) The lessons learned here are important. It's important that in the future, we avoid rushing to the Paladin forums to post that we've found some game breaking bug...when in fact, it's not a bug at all, and already addressed on test. Therefore, it would seem that a lesson learned would be to use more data before confirming a "bug". A second lesson would be that in the future, we may wish to post possible game bugs that affect the Test server in the Test forum, rather than posting to a forum related to Live release. The issue may be a bug, or it may be a possible system change which is being tested. In any event, posting the issue on the test forum would seem to be the best way to open a direct dialogue on the issue with the correct people who can assist with such an issue. This seems to be another lesson learned. A third lesson would seem to be that within future dealings, we should not presume to speak for the developers. Posting lines such as "I believe this was intended" are not accurate, and in no way reflect the intentions of the developers. In this particular case, it's quite obvious that such a "change" was not only incorrectly reported, but was most probably not the intention of the developers. This would appear to be a powerful lesson learned. No, we should not attack individuals unduly for making mistakes. However, if none of us learn from these mistakes (even those made by others), then we are opening ourselves up to repeat the mistakes. Learn from the past or be doomed to repeat it.

Faarwolf

08-11-2005, 02:46 AM

Post locked as I agree with the OP in that there is no need to continue this discussion.