Level 30 choice Mistake

[Twazl]

<DIV>I recently rushed and chose Renar's Blessed Providence at level 30 even though I bought and scribed a master I Blessed aid (only 20G...what a deal).  After choosing this and realizing I cannot use both of these spells at the same time, I realize I made a mistake.  I really wish I would have chosen the upgrade to Penitent Sacrament to give myself more healing power.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What is the best way I should go about my spells now?  If I can spend like 20-50G to make up for my mistake by purchasing something else, I would be happy with this.  I still don't totally understand all the choices so I am not sure if this was a big error on my part, or just a little one.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any advice would be appreciated.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks</DIV> <DIV>Brad</DIV>

[Rellikd]

I know that some people still are able to use some type of command where they can re-pick all of that. I dont know the command, sorry for not being that helpful. But I could have just reminded the next reader of it and THEY could know the command <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> <div></div>

[Troodon]

The command is /respec However I really wouldnt fret over it, Renar's has a very good mana:heath efficiency. Its particularly useful in prolonged combats when you're trying to watch your mana and perhaps dont need a full strength heal. Typically I find myself using Renar's to typical healing assisting the Priests in topping up someones health and one of the spell line upgrades to handle spikes of significant damage. At 50 a very grey Renar's still has a place on my hotbars. <div></div>

[hylozoist]

<DIV>The problem is, at full power, the spells are very similar.  Blessed Aid Master I is actually better/more mana efficient.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Blessed Aid Master1: 103 power, Heal target for 530</DIV> <DIV>Renar's Blessed Providence:<STRONG> </STRONG>99 power, Heal target for 498 </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Keep in mind - we will get a respec when they change the spells and combat.   These numbers could radically change or "new effects" might be added, I don't know.  It's not a big mistake, but it's certainly something you want to be sure to consider when you pick new skills with your next /respec.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by hylozoist on <span class=date_text>07-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:36 AM</span>

[BadBoyMc2]

When i dinged lvl30, i chose renars also from what i was told on the Paladin Forums, but it was very useful for me, i used this for the whole of T4 (30-40), when i got into my 40s, it conned white/blue to me so i had to replace it with devout aid(adept1) which heals for now considering it is still conned yellow to me. Keep in mind that your Blessed aid may be more useful to you now being 30, but when you hit like 34ish, it will con white/blue to you & the amount it heals for will not be upgraded unlike if you was to switch to Renars which will last you from 30-40. IMO i think you chose the best training option for level30, because it will last you upto level40. <div></div>

[MeridianR]

<span><blockquote><hr>BadBoyMc2k4 wrote:When i dinged lvl30, i chose renars also from what i was told on the Paladin Forums, but it was very useful for me, i used this for the whole of T4 (30-40), when i got into my 40s, it conned white/blue to me so i had to replace it with devout aid(adept1) which heals for now considering it is still conned yellow to me. Keep in mind that your Blessed aid may be more useful to you now being 30, but when you hit like 34ish, it will con white/blue to you & the amount it heals for will not be upgraded unlike if you was to switch to Renars which will last you from 30-40. IMO i think you chose the best training option for level30, because it will last you upto level40. <div></div><hr></blockquote>See I disagree, I took the Lay on Hands upgrade, and haven't thought twice about it.  The 15 min timer, and no power cost, makes it a perfect heal in those close fights. Yes it heals for less then its' upgrades, but you can cast it twice in the amount of time you can cast the others. Numerous times, it has saved me or the MT in a fight for those couple seconds that the cleric was casting there reactives.</span><div></div>

[BadBoyMc2]

Personally meridian, a heal with a 15min re-timer or even 30min re-timer, is our "Oh Crap" spell when we have to use it on another player or ourselfs to stop them from dieing, this is an emergency spell from my point of view & at level 30 he will be doing a lot of tanking/OT, so his 7 second re-timer healer would be a lot more effective than a 15min/30min heal IMO. <div></div>

[Oakbr]

<i><span>See I disagree, I took the Lay on Hands upgrade, and haven't thought twice about it.  The 15 min timer, and no power cost, makes it a perfect heal in those close fights. </span></i><span>I did the same thing, and wouldn't change it on a respec.  Lots of ways to use it...a mana-free heal to tip the scale in those close solo fights, a lifesaving heal on a healer or caster that pulls aggro, and also a way to get aggro off somebody in a pinch.  I probably use it 3 times an hour solo, and only slight less often grouping. </span>

[SanJ]

<DIV>I'm pretty torn between both training options as either route is a good choice depending on your play style.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you solo a lot and group infrequently or raid even less, the 499 heal at 99 mana is hard to beat.  However, for 20 gold (I believe the price listed by the OP), I would not think twice about buying the Master 1 and taking the LOH 15 minute upgrade!  I personally went the Renar's route and I still use the spell pretty frequently at level 50.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One thing I have noted on the raid scene is that my LOH line is about 30-40% effective.  Our current raid makeup includes a pretty good mix and high quantity of healers, so if the tank is in bad enough shape to require my LOH, it's pretty much curtains for the tank anyway <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  However, I have noted a few exceptions where my LOH has just landed precisely in time to hold off a beating until the next healer follows.  I would love to have my LOH line on a 15 minute timer, but that uber low cost 499 heal is a real life saver quite frequently.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I still haven't /respec and I'm still not sure if I'll keep what I have or go the 15 minute LOH line.  If I see a master 1 for the BA line with the type of efficiency listed above and at that low price, there will be little guess work <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks,<BR>Kalen</DIV>

[MeridianR]

<span><blockquote><hr>SanJun wrote:<div>I'm pretty torn between both training options as either route is a good choice depending on your play style.</div> <div> </div> <div>If you solo a lot and group infrequently or raid even less, the 499 heal at 99 mana is hard to beat.  However, for 20 gold (I believe the price listed by the OP), I would not think twice about buying the Master 1 and taking the LOH 15 minute upgrade!  I personally went the Renar's route and I still use the spell pretty frequently at level 50.  </div> <div> </div> <div>One thing I have noted on the raid scene is that my LOH line is about 30-40% effective.  Our current raid makeup includes a pretty good mix and high quantity of healers, so if the tank is in bad enough shape to require my LOH, it's pretty much curtains for the tank anyway <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  However, I have noted a few exceptions where my LOH has just landed precisely in time to hold off a beating until the next healer follows.  I would love to have my LOH line on a 15 minute timer, but that uber low cost 499 heal is a real life saver quite frequently.</div> <div> </div> <div>I still haven't /respec and I'm still not sure if I'll keep what I have or go the 15 minute LOH line.  If I see a master 1 for the BA line with the type of efficiency listed above and at that low price, there will be little guess work <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div> <div> </div> <div>Thanks,Kalen</div><hr></blockquote>I have thought about maybe switching once or twice, when I /respec, but having Pious Aid at adept 3 (712 I believe heal) in a raid is more important to me, then the lower power cost.  A lot of times I will spot heal the MA or just send a heal the way of a person who has taken an AoE and not thought about the power. Of course having the GEB's, and crack all the time helps that <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Last time I looked Blessed Aid Master 1 was over 1plat on Mistmoore....[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] our server <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>

[SanJ]

<DIV>I should clarify that I use Pious Aid on the raid scene.  I tend to be grouped up with a 50 Illusionist that seems to compensate for most our high mana usage, but all heals are Pious Aid on raid unless everyone is absolutely out of power and we need to just sneak in one heal here and there at which time Renars is still a choice for me--just rare in that scene.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Renar's training upgrade is something I tend to use now ONLY when I'm out of mana and need a heal badly ... i.e. waiting to get back 99 power so I can cast to stay alive.  I will also use this low cost mana heal when I'm using tactics on a mob that require them to be drained first of power before I turn offensive.  I also use the training upgrade in small groups when someone doesn't require a "bigger" heal.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now that someone was kind enough to show the Master 1 upgrade being on par to the training upgrade for the low mana heal.  I'll most likely seek the master upgrade (especially for 20 gold) and then take the 15 min LOH line.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV>Kalen</DIV>

[lisasdarr]

<span><blockquote><hr>MeridianR wrote:<span>See I disagree, I took the Lay on Hands upgrade, and haven't thought twice about it.  The 15 min timer, and no power cost, makes it a perfect heal in those close fights. Yes it heals for less then its' upgrades, but you can cast it twice in the amount of time you can cast the others. Numerous times, it has saved me or the MT in a fight for those couple seconds that the cleric was casting there reactives.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>I really don't see a 15 minute timer to be any difference from a 30 minute timer, it is an emergency heal, I use it when I screw things up. If I am screwing up more often than once every 30 minutes then I figure I need to work out why I am going wrong, not rely on a 15 minute emergency heal. </span><div></div>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> lisasdarren wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MeridianR wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR>See I disagree, I took the Lay on Hands upgrade, and haven't thought twice about it.  The 15 min timer, and no power cost, makes it a perfect heal in those close fights.<BR><BR>Yes it heals for less then its' upgrades, but you can cast it twice in the amount of time you can cast the others. Numerous times, it has saved me or the MT in a fight for those couple seconds that the cleric was casting there reactives.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I really don't see a 15 minute timer to be any difference from a 30 minute timer, it is an emergency heal, I use it when I screw things up. If I am screwing up more often than once every 30 minutes then I figure I need to work out why I am going wrong, not rely on a 15 minute emergency heal.<BR><BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I don't think that anyone is relaying on it, but in intense raid situations, an instant 1k heal every 15 minutes can be extremely useful. Plus, at 50 I'm still using Jess' as well because the upgradable LoH's we get along the way just don't compare. (I will grant you that this is an SoE issue with the last version of our LoH, but the point remains)</DIV>

[MeridianR]

<span><blockquote><hr>lisasdarren wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>MeridianR wrote:<span>See I disagree, I took the Lay on Hands upgrade, and haven't thought twice about it.  The 15 min timer, and no power cost, makes it a perfect heal in those close fights. Yes it heals for less then its' upgrades, but you can cast it twice in the amount of time you can cast the others. Numerous times, it has saved me or the MT in a fight for those couple seconds that the cleric was casting there reactives.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote>I really don't see a 15 minute timer to be any difference from a 30 minute timer, it is an emergency heal, I use it when I screw things up. If I am screwing up more often than once every 30 minutes then I figure I need to work out why I am going wrong, not rely on a 15 minute emergency heal. </span><div></div><hr></blockquote>It depends on what you figure out you can solo, and what you can't.  In a group situation, I tend to never use it because normally I am in a guild group and I know the people around me, and there abilities.  In Splitpaw for example, doing the Pit Champion on Difficult, I need to use the 15min heal every time...no matter what. In Permafrost, when I solo the blue giants before where Vision of Vox spawns I normally need to use my 15 min heal....again it just all depends on what you want to fight, imo. </span><div></div>

[KBern]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> lisasdarren wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MeridianR wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR>See I disagree, I took the Lay on Hands upgrade, and haven't thought twice about it.  The 15 min timer, and no power cost, makes it a perfect heal in those close fights.<BR><BR>Yes it heals for less then its' upgrades, but you can cast it twice in the amount of time you can cast the others. Numerous times, it has saved me or the MT in a fight for those couple seconds that the cleric was casting there reactives.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I really don't see a 15 minute timer to be any difference from a 30 minute timer, it is an emergency heal, I use it when I screw things up. If I am screwing up more often than once every 30 minutes then I figure I need to work out why I am going wrong, not rely on a 15 minute emergency heal.<BR><BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I took the lay on hand also. </P> <P>It is invaluable for many reasons, and not just for yourself.  Many times in places like SE, you get adds.  I cannot count the amount of times I have saved our chanter or another healer from adds using this spell.  </P> <P>It is very much an "Oh no" spell, but when used on others, it is one of the best we can have.  </P> <P>I never thought twice about having it over the other options.<BR></P>