Redemption - what is the correct use

[Lord Arth]

<DIV>im a 50 pally and i just began using Redemption not to long ago...however im confused on something.... it takes up 2 concentration slots.. so initally when im the MT in a raid i cast Redemption and Benediction right b4 we engage... now when u examine the redemption spell it says it transfers hate to you.... so i thought i was using it right when i just casted it on me... then i was reading the forums and ppl were saying ur supposed to cast it on someone in ur grp if they steal aggro from u so u can get it back.... all in all... im kinda lost w/ this spell.. which is the correct way to use it? when u examine the spell it doesnt say to cast it on someone in ur grp if they steal ur aggro so u can get it back....hope someone can help me out w/ this question...bc when it comes to being the MT in a grp/raid im lost w/ this spell...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks</DIV>

[Kherval]

My understanding is that it's a continuous spell.  So every time the target of Redemption gains threat rating, you gain X% of it, while they only gain (100 - X)% of it.  I base this on the fact that it takes up concentration.  If it was a one-time shot, then you'd have to just cast it, cancel it, cast it, cancel it, etc.  I'm fairly sure this is how it works, but if I'm wrong, someone please correct me.

[Troodon]

I concur with Khervalin. Our hate transfer abilities act as syphons, transfering a proportion of the group (member's) hate to you. However the wording isnt that clear and open to interpretation. Redemption seems to be a continous syphon, but what of the Divine Inspiration line - a non concentration group buff, is it a continous syphon or a one time Hate transfer when cast? However from my experience and that of those I tank for, Redemption at least definitely is a continous Hate syphon. <div></div>

[Korpo]

Agreed, Redemption is always transferring agro when it's on someone else in the group. Does wonders when you have an overzealous warlock in the group. <div></div>

[yzyh]

<P>Redemption transfer x% hate from the target to you. So in raid you usualy cast it on the warlock in your group. This is not allowing you to main tnak in the raid. But its really good to boost your warlock DPS. If the warlock have 35% less hate vs its target. he can nuke a lot more.</P> <P> </P> <P>In group I tend to cast it on the player witht he biggest hate or sometimes on our healer when we do fight  lots of packed mob and my AoE aggro is too weak.</P>

[Troodon]

Regarding the use of Redemption. If combat is predictable, you're fighting just one encounter at a time, cast it on the highest dps in the party. If combat is unpredictable, you're often ending up with multiple encounters at the same time, cast in on the Enchanter/Priest. The reason for the latter is that each mob has a Hate table, to allow them to work out whom to attack, as you're aware hate is gained by taunting, damaging, healing, buffing etc.  Taunting and damaging are only going to effect the encounter directly engaged, the extra encounters arent going to gain any Hate through these as they're uneffected by them. However buffing and healing will generate Hate for non directly engaged encounters - their targets are being buffed/healed thus generating Hate for the person doing it. Thus you want to syphon of hate off the Priest/Enchanter to stop them building up Hate with the non engaged encounters. <div></div>

[Deathspell]

If Redemption takes up 2 concentration slots, what self-buff do you trade in when you wanna use Redemption? (Please note that I'm Lvl 27). You drop Glorious Weapon or ....? <div></div>

[Chia_Pet]

glorious weapon might be the smart drop, as the MT you are just absorbing hits, so the extra damage you do with glorious weapon may not be needed. there have been times, when fighting in a small group without a healer, all i would do is taunt and heal, with the only damage i deal being from my normal swings. honestly, i dont know what people are talking about when they say a paladin cant keep aggro, but then this is all i know as a paladin... i usually keep redemption in reserve, watching the group im with to see if its even needed, usually i trade in my knights stance for the redmption if i need to use it. <div></div>

[Troodon]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Deathspell wrote:If Redemption takes up 2 concentration slots, what self-buff do you trade in when you wanna use Redemption? (Please note that I'm Lvl 27). You drop Glorious Weapon or ....? <div></div><hr></blockquote> When tanking Ill invariably be using one of our stance buffs (e.g. Knights stance) and Redemption. The art of its use is in picking the right person to cast it upon. This is of course not the only option, some people prefer to use a stance buff and cast the one of the later Vigor of Trust line of concentration spells both on themselves and the main Priest in the group. If you find yourself in a pick up group and a rather unsure about the reliability of your group members its potentially worth considering this option as redemption is a two edged sword when it comes to maintaining aggro, you're reliant upon the person whom you have it upon to actually be generating a significant amount of aggro and not say slinking off for a sneaky unannouced afk in the middle of a fight. Even if you're not the mt, Redemption can be very useful: frequently I play with a guildmate whom runs a hydra: monk, mystic and illustionist: a potent combination. He tanks and while I fairly actively off tank. With multiple encounters and especially adds, Breeze (or whatever) upon everyone results in the Illusionist risking a dirt nap. Redemption on the Illusionist, thus syphoning off her hate makes things a lot more managable. For such a setup whe're you're supporting another Fighter Id recommend: Redemption on the highest hate generator/person most in risk of drawing aggro; Pious Belief or better on the tank and priests (for the Wisdom bonus, which unfortunately the first spell in this line lacks) and any melee people including yourself, only finally casting Blessed Weapon etc upon yourself if you have a concentration slot free. The Blessed Weapon line are useful when solo'ing when the odd proc for extra damage is nice, but personally I feel that more can be gained by buffing others in the group.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by TroodonIE on <span class=date_text>07-16-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:33 AM</span>