Anything new?

[demolition tank]

<div></div><p>I’m back on a 10 day free trial SOE is giving out to quit members, I quit after the horse nerf and the attune nerf, I was wondering if there was anything of significance going on with paladins that might make me want to take a second look at it? My paly was 45 when I quit. </p><div></div>

[marder]

<DIV>LOL. You quitted because your 20s Horse wasn`t as fast as an 1 PP Horse anymore and because you had to attune your Armor ? Plz don`t come back into the game.</DIV>

[Valian1]

<DIV>lol, yeah, I remember people complaining back then when the attune thing went on, seems completely dumb thing to quit over. A lot of things have changed and is worth playing of course, but if you quit over those 2 things then you mise as well not play because a lot has happened since then so it would take a lot of getting used to. All that happened when i was in my 20's and i didnt have a whole lot of money and i wasnt even that mad about it, made sense to me tbh.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Valian164 on <SPAN class=date_text>07-13-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:21 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Valian164 on <span class=date_text>07-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:23 AM</span>

[Rhianni]

<DIV>I've recently come back too and was a lvl 25 paladin.  I came back and am happy with the changes that you quit over.</DIV> <DIV>Attuning armor is great. As an armor crafter before the change I would sell armor to someone and later on they would resell it. They didnt have to spend time crating and could undersell me quite a bit.  It was a needed and good change.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A lvl 45 quit because a lvl 20 spell was changed?  I'm loving this game the second time around with all the extra content and changes they made but seriously. If that got you to quit I am sure that there is something else that will bug you too.</DIV>

[Knesh]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>marder wrote:<div>LOL. You quitted because your 20s Horse wasn`t as fast as an 1 PP Horse anymore and because you had to attune your Armor ? Plz don`t come back into the game.</div><hr></blockquote>First of all your post was as un-needed as it was mean. Who are you tell someone not to come back to the game? And its not "LOL You quitted..." its "LOL, you quit". So before you start bashing someone - make sure you dont sound like an idiot yourself. The OP question is a valid one and its people like you who ruin this game for other people. Don't begin to bash me and ruin this persons post just take this for what it is - constructive critisim. The EQ1 horse for paladin/sk (which was free "fun aa skill") was the fastest horse in the game - no store bought horse could outrun it. It makes sense we are Holy Warriors and the need in EQ1 was their. EQ2 is a tad different. There is so much unbalanced that it had to be nurfed. Perhaps later down the line when SOE makes the classes a h^lluva lot more balanced, things like this won't bother people.  You have to remember many people who play EQ2 were from EQ1 and a lot of them picked the same class they used in EQ1 - now realize it doesn't have anywhere near the same skills it once did. Makes people frustrated and dare I say leave?! To the OP - Their are still many things you may not like in EQ2 if those were the reasons you left to begin with - but many things have changed as well. The best advise I can give you - is use your 10 day trial - see how you like it and then make your decision. </span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Knesh on <span class=date_text>07-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:33 AM</span>

[Collaud]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Knesh wrote:</P> <P><SPAN><BR>First of all your post was as un-needed as it was mean. Who are you tell someone not to come back to the game? And its not "LOL You quitted..." its "LOL, you quit". So before you start bashing someone - make sure you dont sound like an idiot yourself....</P> <P><BR>To the OP - Their are still many things you may not like in EQ2 if those were the reasons you left to begin with - but many things have changed as well. The best advise I can give you - is use your 10 day trial - see how you like it and then make your decision. </SPAN></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Please draw your attention to the first paragraph and Knesh's attempt to call someone an idiot for improper grammar (i.e., "quitted). </P> <P>Now read the second paragraph where Knesh uses the word "their" instead of "there".  Also notice that Knesh has no grasp of punctuation or sentence structure.  In fact, his entire post is riddled with elementary grammar mistakes. </P> <P>Hello pot, meet kettle.<BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV><p>Message Edited by Collaudus on <span class=date_text>07-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:02 AM</span>

[K'aldar]

first thing i'd like to say is the paladin/SK horses were never the fastest horse in the game, in fact they were tied for the slowest.  they came after spirit steeds, eldarrian chargers (tier 3), misty mustangs (tier 2), and tied with steppes pony (tier 1).. that being said theres alot of stuff in the game you'd prob like and alot you prob wouldn't.  i left myself back in Feb (got burned out a bit from grinding) and came back the end of May, so far loving all the new stuff. theres going to be stuff you don't like in the game, ultimately you have to ask yourself, does the good stuff outweigh the bad? if that answer is no then prob not worth it to keep your subscription going. <div></div>

[Knesh]

<span><blockquote><hr>Collaudus wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <div> <blockquote> <blockquote> <p></p> <hr> <p>Knesh wrote:</p> <p><span>First of all your post was as un-needed as it was mean. Who are you tell someone not to come back to the game? And its not "LOL You quitted..." its "LOL, you quit". So before you start bashing someone - make sure you dont sound like an idiot yourself....</span></p> <p>To the OP - Their are still many things you may not like in EQ2 if those were the reasons you left to begin with - but many things have changed as well. The best advise I can give you - is use your 10 day trial - see how you like it and then make your decision. </p> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Please draw your attention to the first paragraph and Knesh's attempt to call someone an idiot for improper grammar (i.e., "quitted). </p> <p>Now read the second paragraph where Knesh uses the word "their" instead of "there".  Also notice that Knesh has no grasp of punctuation or sentence structure.  In fact, his entire post is riddled with elementary grammar mistakes. </p> <p>Hello pot, meet kettle.</p></blockquote></div><p>Message Edited by Collaudus on <span class="date_text">07-13-2005</span> <span class="time_text">07:02 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Last time I recalled - I never stated I was an english major. But if I am going to make someone feel unwelcomed as he did - I would at least spell check first....  You don't agree with that statement?</span><div></div>

[Antryg Mistrose]

Welcome back. There is not a lot that I can recall thats new for Paladins.  There are a lot less bugs though overall. We are currently still a bit of a 2nd fiddle to Guardians tanking wise, while this is claimed will improve, our dps looks to be going down a bit. I understand your reason for leaving.  I was right on the point of it myself at the time, having just bought brand new armour, for what was at the time, pretty much all the silver I had, and having the horse nerfed in the same week was a bit much.  Still, now all the high tier players have faster horses, the envy factor has gone. The game hasn't been out that long, even now, so should still keep getting better <span>:smileyhappy:</span> <div></div>

[GilfalasElaandrin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Knesh wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR>But if I am going to make someone feel unwelcomed as he did - I would at least spell check first....  You don't agree with that statement?<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Generally speaking it is inappropriate to take someone to task over something that you yourself cannot exceed them in doing. Pointing out someone else's spelling or grammar errors while making as many if not more is rude.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Also, you posted serious misinformation when stating that originally the Paladin fluff horse was the fastest in game. It was not. It was just as fast (and incorrectly so) as the cheapest buyable horse. No faster. It was not 'nerfed' when it's speed was reduced to where it is now, it was fixed to where it should have been all along.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>To be exact it was a 32% speed increase horse. The exact same as the lowest tier buyable horse, before all movement speed powers were rebalanced and he fluff horse was set to it's current, reasonable, speed.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>As for your quoted statement, I would say your disobeying your own guildlines, since you yourself did not spell check and you were trying to make someone else feel as unwelcome as the original poster.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>To the OP:</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>A great deal of new, fun content has been added to the game since you left. The Adventure packs are wonderful additions, especially split paw, since all the content there scales automaticlly in level from 20-50 to the adventurers in your group. Much balancing has been done to the game and many (but sadly not all) of our arts and spells have been fixed.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>The Paladin is still an extremely fun class to play and from my experience, if such is your thing, can solo better than most classes I have seen in game, including pure casters. We contribute very well to groups as main tank or as an assist tank/assist healer/DPS role if we are not mainlining.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>A very large, across the board, combat rebalance is coming that will fix many combat power discrepencies in many of the classes that are supposed to be more powerful in certain area's than they currently. This will possibly occur in the next 6-8 weeks which should make the game a lot better over all as well.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>That said, if you got to 45 before they fixed horses and quit because of that, then you may not want to come back. If those truly are the reasons you left then you may not like MMORPG's and how they almost constantly are in a state of rebalance and fix. It is patently impossible to see every outcome of something added to a game [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] massive as this (or any MMO) and despite even the best of work and intentions, such situations can and will ALWAYS happen in games of this nature. If that is no to your liking them most likely you still will not like the game.</SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>As an aside to my last statement I would defy anyone, anywhere to show me a single MMO game that has <U>not</U> had a long and steady patch and rebalance history from the day it went live till the day it shut down.</SPAN></P></DIV>

[Knesh]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<blockquote><hr>Knesh wrote:<span>But if I am going to make someone feel unwelcomed as he did - I would at least spell check first....  You don't agree with that statement?</span><hr></blockquote><div><span><font color="#ffffff">Generally speaking it is inappropriate to take someone to task over something that you yourself cannot exceed them in doing. Pointing out someone else's spelling or grammar errors while making as many if not more is rude.</font></span></div><div><p><span><font color="#ffffff">Also, you posted serious misinformation when stating that originally the Paladin fluff horse was the fastest in game. It was not. It was just as fast (and incorrectly so) as the cheapest buyable horse. No faster. It was not 'nerfed' when it's speed was reduced to where it is now, it was fixed to where it should have been all along.</font></span></p><p><span><font color="#ffffff">To be exact it was a 32% speed increase horse. The exact same as the lowest tier buyable horse, before all movement speed powers were rebalanced and he fluff horse was set to it's current, reasonable, speed.</font></span></p><p><span>As for your quoted statement, I would say your disobeying your own guildlines, since you yourself did not spell check and you were trying to make someone else feel as unwelcome as the original poster.</span></p><p><span>To the OP:</span></p><p><span>A great deal of new, fun content has been added to the game since you left. The Adventure packs are wonderful additions, especially split paw, since all the content there scales automaticlly in level from 20-50 to the adventurers in your group. Much balancing has been done to the game and many (but sadly not all) of our arts and spells have been fixed.</span></p><p><span>The Paladin is still an extremely fun class to play and from my experience, if such is your thing, can solo better than most classes I have seen in game, including pure casters. We contribute very well to groups as main tank or as an assist tank/assist healer/DPS role if we are not mainlining.</span></p><p><span>A very large, across the board, combat rebalance is coming that will fix many combat power discrepencies in many of the classes that are supposed to be more powerful in certain area's than they currently. This will possibly occur in the next 6-8 weeks which should make the game a lot better over all as well.</span></p><p><span>That said, if you got to 45 before they fixed horses and quit because of that, then you may not want to come back. If those truly are the reasons you left then you may not like MMORPG's and how they almost constantly are in a state of rebalance and fix. It is patently impossible to see every outcome of something added to a game [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] massive as this (or any MMO) and despite even the best of work and intentions, such situations can and will ALWAYS happen in games of this nature. If that is no to your liking them most likely you still will not like the game.</span></p><p><span>As an aside to my last statement I would defy anyone, anywhere to show me a single MMO game that has <u>not</u> had a long and steady patch and rebalance history from the day it went live till the day it shut down.</span></p></div><hr></blockquote>I </span><span>specifically</span><span> stated the EQ1 Paladin/SK horse spell was the fastest in the game... Never did I mention the EQ2 horse was the fastest in the game...</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Knesh on <span class="date_text">07-13-2005</span><span class="time_text">10:01 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Knesh on <span class=date_text>07-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:01 AM</span>

[GilfalasElaandrin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Knesh wrote:<BR> <SPAN><BR>I </SPAN><SPAN>specifically</SPAN><SPAN> stated the EQ1 Paladin/SK horse spell was the fastest in the game... Never did I mention the EQ2 horse was the fastest in the game...<BR></SPAN> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Editing after the fact to list EQ 1 in your message does not change what I read in the original, unedited post, which said nothing about EQ 1 at first. My reading comprehension has alway been quite good, thank you.<BR>

[Knesh]

<div></div>First off I never edited it to include EQ1 thanks.. So I do believe your reading comprehension is a tad bit off. But I do not remember why I edited that post - I usually advise why I edit the posts but sometimes I do forget. And even if I did edit it to include EQ1 - whats the difference? I modified a post to correct information. Its not like I edited it after you said what you said. So get off your english major I can comprehend quite well high horse and calm down - this is a gaming forum. Take a perk or something. I see you try and bash other threads as well.. Maybe you can't read that well I already corrected statements about Ghoulbane well after you posted what you posted. I am done on this topic - not trying to trash the thread more than it already is. Feel free to continue to talk though. I like the drama. Edited a typo.. Happy? <div></div><p>Message Edited by Knesh on <span class=date_text>07-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:27 AM</span>

[GilfalasElaandrin]

<P>Actually I was lousy at english in school and I definately never majored in it.</P> <P>Also I am not bashing anyone's threads. I am merely responding and correcting some inaccurate information. By the way I was apparently not the only one who saw your post as not mentioning EQ 1 since at least one other post in this thread definately mentions it as well. Not that important in the great scheme of things and I ceratainly do not need any medication about it.</P> <P>Go have a beer and just chill man.</P>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<BR> <P>Actually I was lousy at english in school and I definately never majored in it.</P> <P>Also I am not bashing anyone's threads. I am merely responding and correcting some inaccurate information. By the way I was apparently not the only one who saw your post as not mentioning EQ 1 since at least one other post in this thread definately mentions it as well. Not that important in the great scheme of things and I ceratainly do not need any medication about it.</P> <P>Go have a beer and just chill man.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Game. Set. Match.<BR>

[Antryg Mistrose]

I wouldn't take the posts here to seriously, the grumpy ones are probably suffering EQ withdrawal.  Much nicer people to be found in game <span>:smileyhappy:</span> <div></div>

[Alarion1]

<span><blockquote><hr>GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<p>Actually I was lousy at english in school and I definately never majored in it.</p> <p>Also I am not bashing anyone's threads. I am merely responding and correcting some inaccurate information. By the way I was apparently not the only one who saw your post as not mentioning EQ 1 since at least one other post in this thread definately mentions it as well. Not that important in the great scheme of things and I ceratainly do not need any medication about it.</p> <p>Go have a beer and just chill man.</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Actually, his post was last editted at 6:33am. Your first post in this thread came at 9:54am. -- and now that I am looking at it, the times on this board are all screwed up. In any case, it appears he edited his post ~19 minutes after he posted (assuming "edit tags" use the boards PST timezone instead of your currently set timezone) and you posted about 3.5 hours after that. Unless I failed 1st grade clock reading, there is no way possible (short of time travel) he could have editted the post after you read it. that is, unless you take three and one half hours to make a post... It's all moot, but just wanted to point that out since everyone is ragging on the guy. For the original poster: As others have stated, the best answer anyone can really give you is to use your 10 day trial to re-evaluate the game. I personally came back somewhat recently and have been having a blast.</span><div></div>

[jshari]

sure there is lots to stay for. pally is a fun char to play, and there is going to be a huge revamp so i cant say much about pallys atm cuz its all going to change but if you on  oasis server just quit, weve got enough palys =) <div></div>

[Knesh]

<span><blockquote><hr>Pathin Merrithay wrote:<blockquote><div></div>Game. Set. Match. </blockquote><div></div><hr></blockquote>Haha that was funny <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Perhaps after all the clashing the OP has decided to avoid EQ2 at all possible costs LOL.</span><div></div>

[GilfalasElaandrin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> jshariat wrote:<BR><BR>but if you on  oasis server just quit, weve got enough palys =)<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>What is the Paladin population there like? I know on Antonia Bayle we are the single largest class group on the server. I THINK it was something silly like 18% or so but I have not checked in a long time so I could be very wrong.</DIV>

[jshari]

<span><blockquote><hr>GilfalasElaandrin wrote: <blockquote> <hr> jshariat wrote:but if you on  oasis server just quit, weve got enough palys =) <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <div>What is the Paladin population there like? I know on Antonia Bayle we are the single largest class group on the server. I THINK it was something silly like 18% or so but I have not checked in a long time so I could be very wrong.</div><hr></blockquote>its pritty bad, but not so much any more</span><div></div>

[Lawman]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P><SPAN>As an aside to my last statement I would defy anyone, anywhere to show me a single MMO game that has <U>not</U> had a long and steady patch and rebalance history from the day it went live till the day it shut down.</SPAN></P></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>To answer your questrion:  Guildwars</P> <P>As for the rest of this thread:</P> <P>I quitted too about the attuning armor and the horse nerf.   Let the bashing commence.  </P> <P>You have to remember that when that happened, it was after a series of "Changes" (which included alot of nerfs).   Personally, I got sick and tired of being a freakin guinea pig.  30-35th level quests giving 5s?   That got changed to a higher reward, as did ALOT of quests...  But I cant go back and redo them.  There were also the flat-out broken quests that, by the time they got off their duffs and fixed, the reward was useless to me.  The "You cant do that while sitting" thing..  the mobs in the walls when trying to do armor quests..   the list goes on.  Just because someone chose 2 items to list as reasons they quit doesnt mean thats all of them, nor does it justify bashing them...  And no, I dont use spellcheck, deal with it.</P> <P>As far as the horse, we will agree to disagree that it "was fixed, not nerfed to be where it should have been all along".  My understanding is that the cheapest horse is 24%.. Paladin horses are now 10%.  Why shouldnt the paladin horses be 24%?  Or even 20%..  In EQ1 Pallys get the fastest horse in the game... the world didnt come to an end...   No, they nerfed it because of all the whiners complaining about it.</P> <P>And I did come back to see the changes.  Seem like good changes.  My problem is I left in Feb. at 39.   I had decent armor and about 50g on me.. Used to be a good amount of money.  I come back, my armor and weapon are now... well, crap..  I turn 40, and look at armor... wow..  3pp a slot.. My char has never even held a plat up to 39.  Weapon also 3pp.  Fun.  Prices are just insane.</P> <P>There is, however, a bright spot to this.  I bought all the adepts I have, and a few that were for later levels for, whats now, pennies on the dollar.</P> <P> -Law</P> <P> </P>

[Lawman]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> jshariat wrote:<BR>sure there is lots to stay for. pally is a fun char to play, and there is going to be a huge revamp so i cant say much about pallys atm cuz its all going to change<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>This scare anyone else as much as it frightens the heII outa me?</P> <P><BR> </P>

[jshari]

<span><blockquote><hr>Lawman wrote: <blockquote> <hr> jshariat wrote:sure there is lots to stay for. pally is a fun char to play, and there is going to be a huge revamp so i cant say much about pallys atm cuz its all going to change <hr> </blockquote> <p>This scare anyone else as much as it frightens the heII outa me?</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>aye it does, but at least im hell free <span>:smileyhappy:</span></span><div></div>

[GilfalasElaandrin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lawman wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P><SPAN>As an aside to my last statement I would defy anyone, anywhere to show me a single MMO game that has <U>not</U> had a long and steady patch and rebalance history from the day it went live till the day it shut down.</SPAN></P></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>To answer your questrion:  Guildwars</P> <P> </P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>So your telling me Guildwars shipped perfect and has never, not even once, patched anything? If so that i pretty impressive. Hell even DIABLO has almost 2 years worth of patching to it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If so, then the Guildwars producers are the guys to watch in the future. They seem to the be the only company in the history of the genre able to ship a 'perfect' game in terms of code and balance. A staggering feat IMO.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>:smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[Knesh]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lawman wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P><SPAN>As an aside to my last statement I would defy anyone, anywhere to show me a single MMO game that has <U>not</U> had a long and steady patch and rebalance history from the day it went live till the day it shut down.</SPAN></P></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>To answer your questrion:  Guildwars</P> <P> </P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>So your telling me Guildwars shipped perfect and has never, not even once, patched anything? If so that i pretty impressive. Hell even DIABLO has almost 2 years worth of patching to it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If so, then the Guildwars producers are the guys to watch in the future. They seem to the be the only company in the history of the genre able to ship a 'perfect' game in terms of code and balance. A staggering feat IMO.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>:smileyvery-happy:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Uh they are still trying to patch DIABLO <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <DIV><BR></DIV>

[Skabanis]

<DIV>ah wow does every thread here get a human torch treatment or what...FLAME ON...for a long time i had huge issues with my class and there seems to be a few spells broken still Unwaivering Faith has to be broken...i cant imagine what soe was think when they made a 39% avoidance spell...yeah well its broken i dont see anything going up on the guardian i place it on...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for now i think i am totally addicted to my class...We are so well balanced...maybe its cause of the nice toys i have on... But we can do so much rez, heal, dps, tank...we are not the best at all of this but we aint supposed to be...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for horse nerf i was waiting for that from day one...and armor attuning god that is the best idea ever...The game has gotten alot better, you should come back and check it out...Useally the best thing is coming back and seeing people who you were many levels ahead of being much better in terms of items and things done in game...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>By the way i can solo champion on very hard...what other class can do that...we are uber and if not the best class pretty close...</DIV>

[Alarion1]

<span><blockquote><hr>GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Lawman wrote: <blockquote> <hr> GilfalasElaandrin wrote: <div></div> <div> <p><span>As an aside to my last statement I would defy anyone, anywhere to show me a single MMO game that has <u>not</u> had a long and steady patch and rebalance history from the day it went live till the day it shut down.</span></p></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>To answer your questrion:  Guildwars</p> <p></p> <hr> </blockquote> <div>So your telling me Guildwars shipped perfect and has never, not even once, patched anything? If so that i pretty impressive. Hell even DIABLO has almost 2 years worth of patching to it.</div> <div> </div> <div>If so, then the Guildwars producers are the guys to watch in the future. They seem to the be the only company in the history of the genre able to ship a 'perfect' game in terms of code and balance. A staggering feat IMO.</div> <div> </div> <div>:smileyvery-happy:</div><hr></blockquote> It has had patches, yes. Rebalancing, no. At least, as far as I know. I haven't played it in over a month. I don't think *any* game recently released has NOT had patches. However, several have NOT had rebalancing <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>

[Lawman]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lawman wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<BR> <DIV> <P><SPAN>As an aside to my last statement I would defy anyone, anywhere to show me a single MMO game that has <U>not</U> had a long and steady patch and rebalance history from the day it went live till the day it shut down.</SPAN></P></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>To answer your questrion:  Guildwars</P> <P> </P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>So your telling me Guildwars shipped perfect and has never, not even once, patched anything? If so that i pretty impressive. Hell even DIABLO has almost 2 years worth of patching to it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If so, then the Guildwars producers are the guys to watch in the future. They seem to the be the only company in the history of the genre able to ship a 'perfect' game in terms of code and balance. A staggering feat IMO.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>:smileyvery-happy:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>ok, toss CODE in there with BALANCE...  now youre changing up things.   Yes, its been re-coded for encounters, but hey... since you balance your own class...   At least they havent NERFED my class into oblivion <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I take it youve never played.   You should.  See how it should be done.  By the way?  They dont charge you monthly fees, and dont bring servers down for updates...  Graphics are on par with EQ2 but it doesnt take a mega-machine to run...  zone quickly on a mediocre machine... ya, I think SoE should sit up and take a look at something done right.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Diablo?  Who cares about Diablo.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[jordaann]

Ya know more people would actually use these forums if an attempt was made to keep on topic /sigh *I love EQ2* *I hate EQ2 forums* <div></div>