Why paladin cant have a spell illusion ?

[yzyh]

<DIV>Sk can turn themselves into skeleton. Why canMt we turn ourselves into Arch angels ? IMO every class should have a self illusion. Not only these smoke, red glow, fire, with light aroudn their hands.</DIV>

[jshari]

that angel thing sound awsome! <div></div>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's called Guise of the Deceiver.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*smirk*</DIV>

[Pilo]

In splitpaw there's a gnoll thing w/ unlimited charges you can be a gnoll. <div></div>

[yzyh]

<P>their is many items thatc ats illsion spell. But I am talking about a aladin spell we could have.</P>

[Pilo]

For the sake of RP, the skeleton makes sense for SK.  What would make sense for Pally?  Gotta bring something to the table, not just whine. <div></div>

[MickM]

<DIV>a holy white aura that alluminated around the pally would be awesome....not that [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] cotton candy crap they hold</DIV>

[yzyh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pilot2 wrote:<BR>For the sake of RP, the skeleton makes sense for SK.  What would make sense for Pally?  Gotta bring something to the table, not just whine.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Did you read the post or only the topic ? Arch angel. That would be RP.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also IMO They could give vampire illusion to SK over skeleton. a knight that is leeching life and using dark power. They could let them summon a  ghoul over a skeleton that would fit with the RP.</DIV>

[yzyh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pathin Merrithay wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's called Guise of the Deceiver.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*smirk*</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>What is guise of the Deceiver ?

[djhbeek]

It's the reward from the Missing Mask quest ... casts Dark Elf illusion ... <div></div>

[yzyh]

haaa. Then its another dude that reply and do not read topic.

[Alarion1]

From a RP perspective, an angel really does not make sense. Paladins in this game are not based on the Christian faith <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And I honestly don't see a need for it. We don't have to mimic Shadow Knights exactly (nor they us). This is all my opinion of course... <div></div>

[yzyh]

<P>were you seen it were not from cristianisme <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>but tis not to mimic SK. i just think that every class should have some funy illusion. These illusion are the difference betwin EQ and other mmrog. SoE always allow us some nice illusion bcuz they are fun for most of us.</P>

[djhbeek]

i agree ... illusions are fun ... and ANYTHING would be better than the glowing hand .... <div></div>

[Boli32]

<blockquote><font color="#ffff00">IMO every class should have a self illusion.</font> </blockquote> <font color="#ffff00"> <font color="#ffffff">I don't think this should apply to paladin's though, in every sense the Paladin is almost allways portrayed as a SINGLE MAN (or woman) standing up against the deamons horde of undead or whatever. This is the most attractive aspect of a paladin which I think we'll loose if we ended up turning into "godlike" creatures. A Paladin, stands up for what is right and just - not because he can and is in fact huge stone gholem (guardians), but because he knows it is the right thing to do. The image of a knight standing toe to toe with the greatest dragons or surrounded by a horde and holding his own are the images I most associate with paladins, and that is what EQ2 has. Many of the other classes turn into suitable illusions but the fact a paladin HAS no illusion  is what makes us special from the other plate tanks. </font></font><div></div>

[yzyh]

<DIV>heee the SK is theonly tank with an illusion for what I know. also if you don,t like to be toe to toe as a human form. Do not use the illusion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also paladin fighting for right and justice....... Religious man fight for what they think its right and just. But in fact they are always murderer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IMO its the time for rp game to lose their old vision of the good and the evil. It does not exist. Nothing is white nothing is dark.</DIV>

[BlackW]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yzyh wrote:<BR> <DIV>Sk can turn themselves into skeleton. Why canMt we turn ourselves into Arch angels ? IMO every class should have a self illusion. Not only these smoke, red glow, fire, with light aroudn their hands.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Its all just fluff anyway.  We get a useless squire at lvl 40 <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe we could turn ourselves in to a squire?</DIV>

[djhbeek]

<span><blockquote><hr>BlackWeb wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> yzyh wrote: <div>Sk can turn themselves into skeleton. Why canMt we turn ourselves into Arch angels ? IMO every class should have a self illusion. Not only these smoke, red glow, fire, with light aroudn their hands.</div> <hr> </blockquote> <div>Its all just fluff anyway.  We get a useless squire at lvl 40 <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div> <div> </div> <div>Maybe we could turn ourselves in to a squire?</div><hr></blockquote>yes! but only every 20 min or it would be too powerful! <span>:smileywink:</span></span><div></div>

[Walnu]

Defiler like but with a yellow or blueish aura would be cool...or a space ship. <div></div>

[Pallbearer]

I want a nerf illusion so that I can change myself into a giant baseball bat with the words "SoE Slugger" written on the side of it.  The site of my uber nerf illusion would send over powered mobs fleeing for their pitiful lives! muahahaa Now that would be a useful illusion ... albeit, not entirely RP <span>:smileywink:</span> <div></div>

[Icona]

<span><blockquote><hr>yzyh wrote:<div>heee the SK is theonly tank with an illusion for what I know. also if you don,t like to be toe to toe as a human form. Do not use the illusion.</div> <div> </div> <div>Also paladin fighting for right and justice....... Religious man fight for what they think its right and just. But in fact they are always murderer.</div> <div> </div> <div>IMO its the time for rp game to lose their old vision of the good and the evil. It does not exist. <font color="#ff9933">Nothing is white nothing is dark.</font></div><hr></blockquote>Chicken and Turkey are both !<span>:smileywink:</span></span>

[Saneos]

<P>For some people this might be fun.   I like the idea of a glowing aura, would be more fun than a useless squire.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[eyes007]

<P>Actually I like the idea of a "mood glimmer", an illusion of light that can be keyed to the /mood emote, you can be the:</P> <P>Firey determined knight of righteousness! (Red Light/Flames illusion) /Anger emote</P> <P>The pure soul of the pinnacle of good! (White Nimbus/Halo Illusion) /Happy emote</P> <P>The resurgence of a Warrior with renewed faith! (Blue Strobing light/Weapons glow blue like a lightsaber) /I know there is an emote for this but can't remember lol</P> <P>The acceptance of defeat (Phasing yellow light that weakens gradually) /Sad emote</P> <P> </P> <P>That sort of thing, or at the very least, one of the above, what would be ultra cool is an illusion that gives a semblance of Ghostly Armor  with a white nimbus as if to say, I am a soldier of God and God is with me.</P> <P> </P>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yzyh wrote:<BR>haaa. Then its another dude that reply and do not read topic. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I read the topic, I was just being tongue in cheek. In my opinion, I see no reason whatsoever that Paladins should get an illusion spell, which are by their very nature deceptive and against the general idea of paladins as a noble warrior of virtue. Archangels especially make no sense in EQ lore because there aren't any. This isn't DnD.  I simply see no real point to having one. We already have a wide array of useless junk spells to cast.</DIV>

[Nefrate]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pathin Merrithay wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yzyh wrote:<BR>haaa. Then its another dude that reply and do not read topic. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I read the topic, I was just being tongue in cheek. In my opinion, I see no reason whatsoever that Paladins should get an illusion spell, which are by their very nature deceptive and against the general idea of paladins as a noble warrior of virtue. Archangels especially make no sense in EQ lore because there aren't any. This isn't DnD.  I simply see no real point to having one. We already have a wide array of useless junk spells to cast.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>man this is just a game. We dont [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing care if that is logical or no. if you want to make this game logical first no one should dual weild and second plate user = dead man. England conquer the world bcuz they were the first to realise that using a mail let you move betther.  </P> <P> </P> <P>Also let me know why a paladin would lose his noble virtue if he would use an illusion ????</P> <P> </P> <P>EQ always been different from other game bcuz they let you beeing a big troll or ogre as well as an human. SoE let us use various illusion spell bcuz they are fun and are not overpowering anyone. They are also the only mmrpg that I know were any race can be any class.</P> <DIV>But I don't know why poeple still post their idea on these board. its just full of RP nerd. An idea that would be welcom by 90% of the in game players, will be trashed by 90 of the forums players.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You don't like illusion just don't use it. Let the other poeple trying to get them if they can make fun with this.</DIV>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nefrate wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pathin Merrithay wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yzyh wrote:<BR>haaa. Then its another dude that reply and do not read topic. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I read the topic, I was just being tongue in cheek. In my opinion, I see no reason whatsoever that Paladins should get an illusion spell, which are by their very nature deceptive and against the general idea of paladins as a noble warrior of virtue. Archangels especially make no sense in EQ lore because there aren't any. This isn't DnD.  I simply see no real point to having one. We already have a wide array of useless junk spells to cast.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>man this is just a game. We dont [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]ing care if that is logical or no. if you want to make this game logical first no one should dual weild and second plate user = dead man. England conquer the world bcuz they were the first to realise that using a mail let you move betther.  </P> <P> </P> <P>Also let me know why a paladin would lose his noble virtue if he would use an illusion ????</P> <P> </P> <P>EQ always been different from other game bcuz they let you beeing a big troll or ogre as well as an human. SoE let us use various illusion spell bcuz they are fun and are not overpowering anyone. They are also the only mmrpg that I know were any race can be any class.</P> <DIV>But I don't know why poeple still post their idea on these board. its just full of RP nerd. An idea that would be welcom by 90% of the in game players, will be trashed by 90 of the forums players.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You don't like illusion just don't use it. Let the other poeple trying to get them if they can make fun with this.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You know what would be cool! I think my Paladin should have a skateboard instead of a Holy Steed, and it can hover in the air like in 'Back from the Future.' Oh, and it can be a Holy Skateboard, so it glows and shoots flames too!</P> <P>*sarcasm off*</P> <P>I can understand a good aligned member of a generally evil race. I can see why SK's would get an illusion of an undead creature. But I don't see any justification in giving us the illusion of an archangel when they don't even exist in EQ mythology. it makes no sense whatsoever. If failing to leap onto the 'I want all sorts of stuff that makes my class look "t3h Ub3r" bandwagon' makes me an RP Nerd, then point me towards my pocket protector. I always sort of preferred geek grrl myself though. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P>

[Nefrate]

Well lets just ask SoE to impute them so geek like you could be happy with the RP view.

[Walnu]

<P>watcha gonna do, watcha gonna do, watcha gonna do when the roleplay police come for you!</P> <P> </P> <P>i'm gonna roleplay my foot in your [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]</P>

[Lawman]

<P>Our "perk" or "Fun Item" was a fast horse until all the jerkoffs cried about it and it got hit with the nerf bat.</P> <P> </P>

[JarredDarque]

<DIV>here  you wnat an RP illusion?   all of our crappy looking BLACK t5 armor suddenly becomes nice and shiny,  and our charcoal horse turns white with horse barding.   there is a pally for ya.    knight on a gleaming white horse,  both in silver plate.</DIV>

[yzyh]

yeah why their is not a white or silver ebon version. Same stats but different color. 

[kaynis]

<DIV>Just thought I would throw this in, sk's now have skeleton and vampire form.</DIV>

[JarredDarque]

Well,  there is actually a nice shiny armor,  it is called rubicite,  the craftable rubicite peices (leg and chest) are silver as well.  but this stuf is so ungodly rare.....the GL 20 armor is also silver,  but is useless to wear in actualy combat

[Walnu]

I wonder what color T6 armor will be...hmmmmm <div></div>

[Mad Marty]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Walnutt wrote:<BR>I wonder what color T6 armor will be...hmmmmm<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It will be Silver, then changed to pink in the first patch, followed by a correction to green after a month complaining before the intended color (duff brown) is finally released.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[JarredDarque]

<P>haha    go from beinga a white knight....to the black knight,  to the crap-brown knight on a gray horse with a tail up its [Removed for Content].</P> <P> </P> <P>I hope someday they will let us armorers color armor,  or at least customize it a bit,  stats, general apearance,  embloms things like that.</P>

[yzyh]

<P>like their is in EQ1 <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>Bt Id oubt they will implent it in EQ2 since thye made the graphix more realistique then then EQ1.</P> <P> </P> <P>Realistique is maybe spelled realistic in english ?</P> <DIV>5 starts I can't belive someoen voted you 1 stars just for that reply. Some player suck on thsi forums</DIV><p>Message Edited by yzyh on <span class=date_text>07-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:48 PM</span>

[GilfalasElaandrin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yzyh wrote:<BR> <DIV>Sk can turn themselves into skeleton. Why canMt we turn ourselves into Arch angels ? IMO every class should have a self illusion. Not only these smoke, red glow, fire, with light aroudn their hands.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>1) Undead Form is in keeping with SK history in Norrath. Also it is technically NOT an illusion. They SK's are transmogrifying themselves using evil power into a form of powerful undead, which alters their actual visage to skeletal.</DIV> <DIV>2) There are no such things as 'Angels' or 'Arch Angels' in Norrath.</DIV> <DIV>3) Paladins in Norrath (or anywhere else I have seen frankly) are not known as shapechangers or illisionists.</DIV> <DIV>4) Just because 'SK get a cool ability I like' does not mean we have to get an ability that apes them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>kaynis wriote:</DIV> <DIV>just thought I would throw this in, sk's now have skeleton and vampire form. <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Actually Vampire Illusion is given to any and everyone who finishes the Bloodlines Chornicles quest series not just SK's. In fct that is the only way I am currenly aware of to get the ability.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for saying this is just a game lets put anything in it, I say no. I say it is a game with a setting and a story and a history written up to give it it's own unique flavor. That means that not everyone's pet idea fits in even if it can fit in the realm of an FRPG setting.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I mean some games have Warjacks, which are magic powered Battlemechs, or player character races that are magical robots. Are they cool idea's? Yeah. Do they fit into, belong in, or are appropriate for Norrath? No.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Norrath is Norrath, not super_generic_add_everything_into_it_no_matter_wha t_generic_fantasy_world_#10032.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And for those who complain about RP justifications, folks every single character class in game FIRST started as an RP idea and are all basically defined fmo RP concepts THEN are made into classes. Hell you <EM>name</EM> your characters for RP reasons.</DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by GilfalasElaandrin on <span class=date_text>07-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:08 PM</span>

[yzyh]

<DIV>well shamans are illusionist ? wel no but they get illusions.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But like I said in my post. Arch angel was just an idea. And yeah arch angel are not in EQ2. So ? What do yo think paladin ares ? protector of the innocent fighting for their god........ kinda like an arch angel IMO.</DIV>

[Pathin Merrithay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yzyh wrote:<BR> <DIV>well shamans are illusionist ? wel no but they get illusions.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But like I said in my post. Arch angel was just an idea. And yeah arch angel are not in EQ2. So ? What do yo think paladin ares ? protector of the innocent fighting for their god........ kinda like an arch angel IMO.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>*boggle* </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Opens mouth to say something...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>*boggles some more*</DIV>

[Nefrate]

<DIV>I don't see why paladin couldn't  get some kind of shape shifting or illusion. bcuz other mmo have never let thei paladin having some kind of cool form does not mean it wouldn,t be RP in EQ2 to give some high end paladin a cool illusion or shape shifting spells.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IMo this would be cool and RP if paladin would get a shape shift once they will reach a good amouth of AA (once they will be implented) The god could give them this power to help them with their fight for the justice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But well. The  light aura is something that should have been implented in the biggining. its just usual for a paladin to be surrounded by a divine aura.</DIV>

[Knesh]

<span><blockquote><hr> <div>1) Undead Form is in keeping with SK history in Norrath. Also it is technically NOT an illusion. They SK's are transmogrifying themselves using evil power into a form of powerful undead, which alters their actual visage to skeletal.</div> <div>2) There are no such things as 'Angels' or 'Arch Angels' in Norrath.</div> <div>3) Paladins in Norrath (or anywhere else I have seen frankly) are not known as shapechangers or illisionists.</div> <div>4) Just because 'SK get a cool ability I like' does not mean we have to get an ability that apes them.</div> <div> </div> <div> <hr> </div> <div> <div>Actually Vampire Illusion is given to any and everyone who finishes the Bloodlines Chornicles quest series not just SK's. In fct that is the only way I am currenly aware of to get the ability.</div> <div> </div> <div>As for saying this is just a game lets put anything in it, I say no. I say it is a game with a setting and a story and a history written up to give it it's own unique flavor. That means that not everyone's pet idea fits in even if it can fit in the realm of an FRPG setting.</div> <div> </div> <div>I mean some games have Warjacks, which are magic powered Battlemechs, or player character races that are magical robots. Are they cool idea's? Yeah. Do they fit into, belong in, or are appropriate for Norrath? No.</div> <div> </div> <div>Norrath is Norrath, not super_generic_add_everything_into_it_no_matter_wha t_generic_fantasy_world_#10032.</div> <div> </div> <div>And for those who complain about RP justifications, folks every single character class in game FIRST started as an RP idea and are all basically defined fmo RP concepts THEN are made into classes. Hell you <em>name</em> your characters for RP reasons.</div></div><p>Message Edited by GilfalasElaandrin on <span class="date_text">07-12-2005</span> <span class="time_text">12:08 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>That is completely accurate.. Someone for the love of Mithaniel Marr please delete this thread... It is useless.... Let's not make any classes unique lets just have every class have everyone elses spells so we can all be uber! Hey look mr. wizard I have ice comet. Well look here mr.paladin I can wield soulfire and shoot flames out of my [Removed for Content]. mr.paladin Oooh I want that!!! /cry nurf on forums.</span><div></div>

[Goozman]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yzyh wrote:<BR> <DIV>heee the SK is theonly tank with an illusion for what I know. also if you don,t like to be toe to toe as a human form. Do not use the illusion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also paladin fighting for right and justice....... Religious man fight for what they think its right and just. But in fact they are always murderer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IMO its the time for rp game to lose their old vision of the good and the evil. It does not exist. Nothing is white nothing is dark.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Guardians turn into a rock golem, berserkers are engulfed in flames, monks turn into tigers, shadowknights turn into skeletons, duno about bruisers. </P> <P>I think paladins should get a skill that makes their weapon bright and shiny white, kinda like prismatic but all whitey-yellowish. It would look so tizight on a claymore or [Removed for Content] sword</P>

[yzyh]

<P>hehe the illusion on zerker and guardian seems cool <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Sk turning in skeleton or some undead form is completly RP. Guardian in Rock golem is too sicne they are the hard shelled tank out there. Berzerker consumed by the flame fo their rage seems RP too.</P> <P> </P> <P>Paladin with a white aura or/and a form given by the gods would be cool and RP IMO.</P> <P> </P> <P>They should bruiser shoud have a ninja illusion IMO. Well they shoud have been ninja from the biggining. Remove the chain mail  assassin and replace them buy Ninja assassin.  They could had used katana witht heir normal attack and pulling off a dager for their BS.</P> <P>Well at least EQ2 rogues are assassin and not stupid rogue like they were in EQ1.</P> <P> </P> <p>Message Edited by yzyh on <span class=date_text>07-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:44 PM</span>

[Knesh]

<span><blockquote><hr>yzyh wrote:<div></div>  <p>Paladin with a white aura or/and a form given by the gods would be cool and RP IMO.</p> <p> </p> <div></div><p>Message Edited by yzyh on <span class="date_text">07-12-2005</span> <span class="time_text">12:44 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>The gods are silent in Norrath. So that point is moot.</span><div></div>

[GilfalasElaandrin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yzyh wrote:<BR> <DIV>well shamans are illusionist ? wel no but they get illusions.<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>No, they don't. They get shape change spells not illusions. While the computer systems handles the way the graphics engine portrays the changes the same in the software, whay they represent in game is not an actual illusion.</P> <P>As I said in my previous post, SK's do not get an illusion. They BECOME a powerful undead creature. Just because the program call has the word illusion in it does not mean that is what it repersents. I means they are making the graphic engine streamlined.<BR></P> <DIV>Also Paladins are Paladins. Angels do not exist in Norrath, nor do celestial entities akin to angels. Now there ARE extraplanar entities similar to demons, but you do not see SK's becoming those either.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And Gnesh is 100% right. The gods are silent in Norrath: The shattered lands, and have been since moratls invaded the realm of time to attempt to free Zebuxoruk and learn the secrets to ascend to divinity from him (and yes, there IS a book in game that confirms this).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Divine power in Norrath, even that wielded by priests and Paladins, does not come from the ancient gods. It comes from faith itself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>While one can RP they still venerate the old gods (I for one do) they do not provide they power to todays wielders of holy might in the cosmic scheme of things. The very fact that mortals can generate it on their own is a direct correlation to the reason that the 'gods' left Norrath at all. To stay would be to risk the mortals finding out just how to 'ascend' (like Zebuxoruk did) and creating a near limitless number of divine creatures.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That said, while I agree a 'holy auro' or 'glowing blade of righteousness' effect WOULD be appropriate for a very high level Paladin, shapechanging or angelic illusions are not.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why do we need to look like angels? We are already Paladins.</DIV><p>Message Edited by GilfalasElaandrin on <span class=date_text>07-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:01 PM</span>

[Sav]

<span><blockquote><hr>GilfalasElaandrin wrote: <blockquote> <hr> yzyh wrote: <div>well shamans are illusionist ? wel no but they get illusions. <hr> </div></blockquote> <p>No, they don't. They get shape change spells not illusions. While the computer systems handles the way the graphics engine portrays the changes the same in the software, whay they represent in game is not an actual illusion.</p> <p>As I said in my previous post, SK's do not get an illusion. They BECOME a powerful undead creature. Just because the program call has the word illusion in it does not mean that is what it repersents. I means they are making the graphic engine streamlined.</p> <div>Also Paladins are Paladins. Angels do not exist in Norrath, nor do celestial entities akin to angels. Now there ARE extraplanar entities similar to demons, but you do not see SK's becoming those either.</div> <div> </div> <div>Sorry, simply because you want it to happen does not make it a must have idea hehe.</div><hr></blockquote>Personally, I think that paladins should get an illusion that turns them into stick figures.  That would be really cool and really RP.  In the next expansion, we could also get an illusion that turns the sticks into a sign that says "I want more!".  For those who really want to roleplay, the sign could "I want what everyone else has, just as a paladin". Seriously, drop the illusion nonsense please <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><div></div>

[yzyh]

<DIV>You can make if RP why all class have change form and it is RP but for paladin it wouldn,t ? come on. This is a magical world so everything can be fitted to be RP. If my paladin can boost his str with his faith. he can find a way to change its form with his faith. Thats all.</DIV>

[yzyh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GilfalasElaandrin wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yzyh wrote:<BR> <DIV>well shamans are illusionist ? wel no but they get illusions.<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>No, they don't. They get shape change spells not illusions. While the computer systems handles the way the graphics engine portrays the changes the same in the software, whay they represent in game is not an actual illusion.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Does anyone care if tis a shapeshange of their form or an illusion ? And we all know that in the software its not an illusion but a real shapeform. Well anyone with some knowelge of computer. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For real bash the my RP view of the illusion/shapeform. but don't play with the words just to flame me on some pointless things.</DIV><p>Message Edited by yzyh on <span class=date_text>07-12-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:51 PM</span>

[Yrield]

Well im not an RP'er but every class with an shapechange/illusion have a good reason to have one Druid shapechange because of their bond with nature Shaman shapechange because they can travel in the spirit world (bear, beaver and such are part of the native american mythology and they reprensent spirits) Illusionist... nothing to say here Arch angel power come directly from the gods, Paladin's power don't, the whole idea of a paladin is a normal guy with an unbreakable will (called Faith in Eq2). Paladin's will give them the ability to cure the wounded, ward  again danger. As a defender of truth and justice, honor and nobility; When a paladin use his will as a weapon he can inflict divine damage upon hes ennemies. And the only acceptable illusion/shapechange  for a paladin IMO, come from EQ2 lore called "The Cavalier": "Long ago in the Age of Turmoil, the famed gnomish artist C.M. Brushwuttle was commissioned by the Knights of Truth and the Paladins of Marr in Freeport to create an iconic statue that could be used to represent the ideal of a valorous knight. To do this, Brushwuttle envisioned a gallant avatar, almost a god-like being that he called "The Cavalier." The face of the Cavalier would be partially shrouded by a cloak. This was done to represent the humility of the true knight as well as mask the knight's race - something that did not matter among the valorous. The Cavalier was heavily armored and held the hilt of a grand broadsword. The broadsword was actually patterned after the Sword of Faith, a sword once given to knight-lords of the Knights of Truth. The Cavalier was not aligned to any particular deity, but was intended to symbolize a figure of great faith. Thus the icon of the Cavalier was born." <div></div>

[Doom_Hammer]

<DIV>This entire thread and point is moot. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Every realm, book and game in the entire fantasy world, is written with RP in mind. </DIV> <DIV>The entire game of EQ2 is based on one of those 3 basic things realm, book or game. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fantasy. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>While things can't be changed and shaped to fit everyones beliefs on certain things, because we all have read and played and imagined different things. EQ2 is based off what the developers visions were. The developers vision did not include Paladins being the "hands" of gods and walking around in any form other then their own. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We all know the universal meaning of Paladin. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why step all over what we know is a Paladin, because we WANT what someone else had?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Its people like you (original thread starter) who ruin MMORPG's with your nerf calling.</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Doom_Hammer on <span class=date_text>07-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:00 AM</span>

[Knesh]

<span><blockquote><hr>Doom_Hammer wrote:<div>This entire thread and point is moot. </div> <div> </div> <div>Every realm, book and game in the entire fantasy world, is writting with RP in mind. </div> <div>The entire game of EQ2 is based on one of those 3 basic things. </div> <div>Fantasy. </div> <div> </div> <div>While things can't be changed and shaped to fit everyones beliefs on certain things, EQ2 is based off what the developers visions were. The developers vision did not include Paladins being the "hands" of gods and walking around in any form other then there own. </div> <div> </div> <div>We all know the universal meaning of Paladin. </div> <div> </div> <div>Why step all over what we know is a Paladin, because we WANT what someone else had?</div> <div> </div> <div>Its people like you (original thread starter) who ruin MMORPG's with your hate calling.</div><hr></blockquote>Would have to agree. Hate calling may be a bit harsh but I like it :p If you wanted to shape change then you should have been a mage... Or if you want to shape change get a pertified eye of a troll or something...</span><div></div>