Whats the big adept3 T3 spell paladin do need ?

[yzyh]

<DIV>Well their is any ? Like my warlock can't live without DD adept3 but my templar  can wait a few lvl's to buy his first adept3 T3 spell. But he can't live without is T2 spells.</DIV>

[Phatt]

Well, Lay on Hands Master 1 heals for 866 at the most, so I assume Adept 3 of the spell will heal around 700 which, between levels 20 and 30, is quite a lot of health. Check on the broker for adept 3 spells that you have and check the stats. Penitent Sacrament is also very good at Adept 3 / Master 1. <div></div>

[Syf]

Redemption would be my choice.

[yzyh]

What spell is redemption ? Ic an't find it on eq2.ogaming.com ?

[Syf]

Redemption is a level 21 or 22 spell. It takes up 2 concentration slots. You basically cast it on a high aggro groupmate and at adept 3, it transfers about 37% of their aggro on to you. It doesn't need to be used all the time, but I like to use it when I'm in a long fight. The additional aggro lets me save some mana by not having to over-burn a lot on taunts. It's also handy when you are having trouble holding aggro from a particular groupmate. And it also does not have an upgrade, so that's another good reason to get the adept 3.

[GilfalasElaandrin]

<P>Tier 3 Your Adept 3's shoudl be Your Targetable heal and Oath Strike.</P> <P>Do NOT Adept 3 Lay hands. Rares are hard to get. You want the spells you Adept III with them to be used a LOT and to be EFFECTIVE when used. That said your Targetable heal and Oath Strike are both abilities you will use a TON more than Lay Hands (if your a decent Paladin) and are very, very effective when adept 3 level.</P> <P>Simply  put, Lay Hands is not used enough to warrant a rare unless you have a ton of them to use. You can use Lay Hands at BEST onces ever half hous. You can use Oath Strike once every 30 seconds and your heal about once every 8.</P> <P>And you will regularly use Oath Strike and your heal <STRONG>all the time</STRONG>.</P>

[Pilo]

When you get Oath Strike at 28 you're much closer to getting an upgrade to the heal than an upgrade to Oath Strike.  If you group a lot you won't heal yourself as often.  When fighting it is only when I'm trying to be REALLY conservative with power that I don't hit Oath Strike just about every 30 seconds.  If I'm soloing, sometimes I wish I had upgraded the heal, but 9 times out of 10 I'm glad I went with Oath Strike.  Both are great choices, though - as mentioned above. <div></div>

[Paintball33]

i got my oath strike at adept 1 and it is GREAT! now im looking forward to adding Refusal of Grace adept III to my hotbar.

[SanJ]

<P>Redemption is certainly a spell @ 21 that could use an adept 3 upgrade.  However, I experienced few aggro problems until the high 40's when the dps classes started unloading for multi K damage hits.</P> <P>If you solo a lot, Oath Strike is a good option for its high damage, but ultimately you will replace that spell with Sworn Strike (don't forget someday you will be mentoring so adept 3's lost to new spell upgrades now aren't always gone for good.  I had charge adept 3 back the other day mentoring--was good to see my old friend <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>If you OT constantly in full groups or do level appropriate raids, LOH might not be a bad choice.  Of course if you solo all the time, the Blessed Aid line might be worth a look-see.</P> <P>Choosing an adept 3 when they are truly rare (can't afford to buy a lot or a lucky harvest that must be spent wisley), is a tough decision.  Play style should always drive your decision to best benefit either you in solo or a group if you group always.</P> <P>All the suggestions offered so far are good ones in my opinion, some better then others once again depending on your play style and training upgrades.</P> <P>Thanks,<BR>Kalen</P>

[lichmeister]

all of your respondents are offering good advice here... i can only ape their comments so i'lll instead just list them in my personal order of preference: <ol> <li>Redemption- this spell does not seem to have an upgrade and i hear pallys still using it at 40+... adept3 seems a worthy investment for 20+levels of usefulness</li> <li>Blessed Aid- im a 28 pally currently and my adept3 cure heals about 600ish hp... not too shabby and wont get another for awhile yet [30 or 36, i do believe]</li> <li>Oath Strike - does phat damage and does not get replaced till level 40-ish... i agree w previous posters that u can use this every 30 secs <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></li> <li>Penitent Sacrament - self only heal that consumes a penitent essence when cast... if you solo alot or group w chaotic people, this can be very handy, but only worth upgrading if you solo tons or have more jasper than you know what to do with.</li> </ol> <div></div>

[Talbot]

<DIV>Redemption hands down.  It is your single most useful spell.  You will end up being a savior on raids.  Level 50 warlocks will be asking for you to be in their groups constantly.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Remember, Paladins do not generate hate like other fighter classes.  We transfer the hate they produce to ourselves in order to maintain agro.  Thus lowering their agro while raising ours.  This is one thing no other class can do...  LOWER someone elses hate level.  This is what must be kept in mind from start to finish.  Your last training spec should be on the upgrade to call to glory.  Call to Glory transfers 5% of the hate of your group to you...  THe training spec transfers 10%.  5% differance outweighs all the rest.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why is agro transferance needed?  On many highl level epic mobs they have the ability to wipe their hate list.  THis causes a problem for the MT.  As he has to be able to generate enough hate before anyone else lets loose on their nukes and dps.  Lowering the agression levels of those folks makes it easier for the MT to hold agro with these buggers.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Then lets talk about the Chanter classes,  On epics that toss some seriously heavy spells.  THey chanter chain stifles this produces HELLA agro.  Slapping him in a team with a pally, 45% of the hate he generates is transferred to the pally, thus lowering his agro to a manageable level.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Trust me, Paladins are an asset to any raid.  Take this from a 50 Paladin that is ALWAYS grouped in raids with a 50 Warlock with Devestation mastery 1 and nil distortion mastery 1.  The ONLY way he stays alive is grouped with a pally.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Son as an ending...  Redemption at adept 3 is a MUST have for any paladin.  You will use it from now on.  I hardly use my str/sta/wis buffs or my proc buffs and I haven't for a long time.  Redemption is what we are all about...  Have you found redemption?</DIV>

[yzyh]

<P>nop I still not found the spell sicne its not in the EQ2.ogaming.com  spell list. And I re-started my pally bcuz even if my half-elf female one is hottest then my ex=girl friend. I don't enjoy playin wih female character..... Outside of my bed.</P> <P> </P> <P>theirs any other ood website with paladin spell list  and description ?</P>

[Talbot]

<DIV><A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/index.vm?classId=10" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/classes/index.vm?classId=10</A></DIV>

[Alarion1]

<div></div><div></div>*shameless site plug* <a href="http://www.eq2crusaders.org/content/view/26/28/" target=_blank>http://www.eq2crusaders.org/content/view/26/28/</a> *need to get more info for the specifics of the spells, but they are listed there* <p>Message Edited by Alarion1 on <span class=date_text>07-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:49 PM</span>

[RiotActer]

<DIV>I have a lvl 36 Alchy crafting alt.  I decided to start one because I wanted to make some adept III spells.  I gather with my Pally all the time, so I've come across a ton of rares.  Some of these upgrades were needed at the time, some I wouldn't do if I was just looking at lvl 50 to upgrade.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>First ability I upgraded was Redemption.  I'm in a small guild and have lots of problems with aggro and the lower level zerker.  This spell does make things easier.  Sometimes the zerker doesn't even need to do anything at all.  In fact last night the zerker died fighting an epic cause she pulled aggro off.  She was battle rezed and in about 1 minute pulled aggro off me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  The only hot keys I was hitting were my taunts.  (Can't wait for the combat changes)  Threw redemption on, and bingo, no problem.  (And at Adept III it transfers 35%, not 37%)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We get 3 direct heals.  These are great for pick-up groups, duos.  I've upgraded Blessed Aid (lvl 22 - 96 power - 442 heal), Devout Aid (lvl 36.6 - 147 power - 646 heal).  Holding off on Pious Aid because 1. Crafter can't do it yet, 2. Don't think it'll be much of an improvement right now.  Too much power.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>After Blessed Aid, I upgraded Oath Strike because I was soloing a lot then.  I still use it almost as much as my sworn strike adept 1 now due to power.  Sworn Strike will be upraded.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I upgraded Doom Judgement to Adept III just for fun.  It hits close to 500 against 6 targets.  If I'm pulling a large group and tanking, this is one of the first attacks I use.  That are there aren't a lot of spells to upgrade in T4, and for some reason I found a bunch of opals <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>With the above stated, once my crafter hits T5 - here's my wish list:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. Refusal of Grace</DIV> <DIV>2. Zealous Preaching (be a while for that one)</DIV> <DIV>3. Sworn Strike</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Then I'm on the fence...  Display of Devotion or Devout Sacrament or Unyielding Wrath.  Out of all 3, I use Wraith the most, but I'd have to see the healing stats on Sacrament...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Rhianni]

I'm going redemption because it wont get upgraded so I wont feel like I have wasted it later on in the game.

[Yrield]

T3 adept3, let me think... hmmm... none ? Unless you pop a rare don't waste your time and your money, sure adept3 can give a nice *bonus* but nothing is *needed* in T3 -Redemption: appIV give 32% ... adept3 give 35% (i think you see my point here) -Blessed aid: can be a good choice if you dont plan to pick Renar's blessed providence at 30 -LoH: no... -Oath strike: Can be good if you want to dps a bit -Faithful Zeal: the last useful ward you gonna get (until the revamp)  T4 upgrade Virtuous touch (T4 LoH) not because the spell is good but because the T5 LoH, Divine Touch, can't be upgraded (hello ? devs ?) T5 thats where ours key skills are: Devout Sacrament, Pious Aid, Zealous Preaching, Clarion Call, Refusal of Grace, Decree (yes decree !) after those go for: Blessed Rush, Sworn Strike, Ancient Wrath, Holy Symbol and keep a rare for Display of devotion after the combat change (and Divine Touch if the devs wake up...)<div></div>

[uzhiel feathered serpe]

<P>I'd go Oath Strike or the small heal. Redemption is useful, but the difference between adept I and adept III is negligible. That adept III Oath Strike does big damage, which will help you keep aggro. Even the difference between ap IV redemption and adept III redemption is relatively small.</P> <P>If i had to do it again..id have gone adept III OS and adept III targetable heal. They also help for soloers and when you're not the MT, whereas redemption is really only useful when ur the MT, and the con slots it takes can be used for other spells, like buffs.</P> <P>Just my opinion :smileywink:</P>

[Antryg Mistrose]

<div></div><div></div>All spell upgrades are incremental, so although App1 -> App2 -> App3 -> App4 -> Adept1 -> Adept3 are all small steps, they generally DO add up.  From memory the difference between Adept 1 and Adept 3 redemption is 33% -> 35% hate transfer.  If you haven't already got Adept 1 redemption, then the decision is easy, but even if you have, this is the most useful spell in the first 3 tiers*, and it NEVER gets a replacement. * Okay the group buff that gets you a percentage of everyone in the the groups CURRENT hate is pretty darn useful too <span>:smileyhappy:  But there is a training update for it at 40 I think.</span> Consider the extreme - if SOE made a redemption type spell that was 50%, you could taunt or attack ONCE IN THE ENTIRE FIGHT, sit on your backside for the remaining time, and you would in duo mode, still stay at the top of the hate list. So although the incremental change is only 2% up for you, and 2% down for whoever you cast it on, keep in mind that this is continuosly, for every attack, heal, HO, buff etc they do for the whole fight, with no power cost.  So it is in my opinion very worthwhile. As a 29 Paladin at the time of posting I have 2 adept 3's  ( plus 2 opals <span>:smileyhappy:</span>) - Redemption & Oathstrike, and Oathstrike was a far distant second choice. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Antryg Mistrose on <span class=date_text>07-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:36 AM</span>